Bucks 2021-2022 season thread

[nodakfan17]

According to Twitter, both Daryl Morey and Kendall Jenner traded Ben Simmons for a superstar.

[Joseph Zarr]

I think one of the fascinating things about this Ibaka deal is the Bucks now have 2 players on their roster Fans continue to believe are Dirty players in Allen and Ibaka. Both players are actually good NBA players. Neither, in my eyes and experiences watching the NBA since the late 1970's, are actually dirty players. And, hence, the Bucks kind of go from the Sweetheart Small Market team with the absolutely amazing feel-good story of Giannis to a Team potentially despised come Playoff time. I think that is hilarious. And, if I'm being honest, I think it's pretty awesome. LOL.

 

Let's not kid ourselves. Allen IS a dirty player. He's good enough where he doesn't have to be, but for some reason, the guy is an absolute punk on the court.

 

I don't think Ibaka is dirty. He's hard nosed and tough. He comes across as abrasive at times. But he's not dirty IMO

 

Well, I'm not going to continue to beat my own drum on this (even, tho, yes I did bring this up and for that I guess I did! LOL. Gulp) BUT this is a subjective take. If hitting Trae Young and his propensity to showboat and talk smack in the proverbial jewels further qualifies Allen, I guess you can just sign me up. Maybe I'm drinking the sauce. Chris Paul notoriously is known for repeatedly punching down there. Not to mention, by every classification, Chris Paul could and is considered a 'dirty' player - ridiculous flopping aside. I guess, I'm just immune to the classifications because I personally don't see it and I don't agree and maybe I'm wearing a pair of nostalgic 'Bad Boys'/Bulls pair of glasses and have natural basketball immunity? LOL. And, well, that's just what it is. But, I'm not going to use a phrase like 'Grayson IS NOT a dirty player.' Not to poke, but, it's a personal take - ie, I think it's subjective. I'll respectfully disagree.

[Joseph Zarr]

According to Twitter, both Daryl Morey and Kendall Jenner traded Ben Simmons for a superstar.

 

Oh man. THIS is hilarious.

[nodakfan17]

According to Twitter, both Daryl Morey and Kendall Jenner traded Ben Simmons for a superstar.

 

Oh man. THIS is hilarious.

For those who don’t keep up with the Kardashians (I don’t blame you), Kendall Jenner used to date Ben Simmons but ‘traded up’ for Devin Booker.

[Outlander]

Don't kid yourself either, when talking about dirty players in the NBA, Ibaka is always up there.

[Joseph Zarr]

Don't kid yourself either, when talking about dirty players in the NBA, Ibaka is always up there.

 

The Defense rests their Case, your Honor.

 

Edit to Add: I'm just being cheeky, gents.

[CheezWizHed]

Wasn't Bobby Portis considered "dirty" for being a feisty, in-your-face type player when we got him last year?

 

Personally, I don't care for cheap-shot type players. I hated it as a player, I hated it watching the 80s-90s Piston team, I don't care for it now. I do think players can grow and learn and given that type of play is very anti-Giannis or Bud, I'd hope that a player like Allen follows the lead.

 

I don't mind players with a bit of an edge, like Portis, if they are defending their own.

 

No idea where Ibaka fits in with those two examples though.

 

Ugh... Now I know:

[SeaBass]

Just want to make sure everyone isn't accidentally wearing their homer goggles when passing judgement on guys. Gotta keep things fair and balanced.

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I couldn't care less about "dirty" players as long as they're not obviously trying to severely injure guys, but Dunleavy Jr. has his own reputation in the league, it's not like Giannis came out of nowhere with that.

[SeaBass]

I couldn't care less about "dirty" players as long as they're not obviously trying to severely injure guys, but Dunleavy Jr. has his own reputation in the league, it's not like Giannis came out of nowhere with that.

I agree, I actually loved that play by Giannis in the moment because Dunleavy was being an absolute goon that game/series but I'm a Bucks fan so I have a bias. The fact remains in a neutral environment that was absolutely a dirty play by Giannis.

 

My overall point is, I don't really care that much about the dirty player label. Everyone has their moments or the potential for a moment and things get heated. As fans we naturally carry grudges against guys that have been antagonistic to our teams but I guess I try to get over some of that stuff. I have players I don't like such as Blake Griffin and Enes Kanter so I'm not perfect by any means.

 

I watched a video on some of the past stuff with Greyson Allen and a lot of that tripping stuff just looks petty and stupid, none of those guys were getting hurt out there. The Caruso thing is worse but I kind of thought that looked more like a hard basketball foul, still with his past you can't help but think it's possible he was just falling back on old habits.

[GAME05]

I'd wanted to keep DDV because we tend to need guys who can rebound, but he didn't sign an extension but since Allen did, DDV was probably good as gone considering their budget constraints. And his ceiling is probably as high as he's playing right now. He'll probably show much better in Sacramento based on the type of guys around him, but on his own he's the sort of player Championship teams unfortunately have to let go of here and there.

 

Lest we forget Allen also kicked a guy in the manhood in college. But still better the dirty player than the clubhouse cancer (assuming he isn't that, anyway).

[sveumrules]

Giannis picked first for the ASG by LeBron.

 

Was pretty funny when KD had to decide between Gobert & Harden for his last pick.

[FVBrewerFan]

Donte is a nice player, but he was destined to be traded for quite a long time now. He is redundant on this roster, and really didn't have a role in the playoffs. Ibaka is exactly the type of player they needed for playoff basketball. DDV may have a higher ceiling left in him, but that simply doesn't matter in win now mode.

 

Dragic rumors are strong, get Lopez back and the post-season roster is set.

[nate82]

Donte is a nice player, but he was destined to be traded for quite a long time now. He is redundant on this roster, and really didn't have a role in the playoffs. Ibaka is exactly the type of player they needed for playoff basketball. DDV may have a higher ceiling left in him, but that simply doesn't matter in win now mode.

 

Dragic rumors are strong, get Lopez back and the post-season roster is set.

 

Donte would have been a RFA this off season I believe so they had to trade him. They weren't going to match whoever was going to sign him at best the Bucks could have gotten a Brogdon type of a return for DDV which I think they kind of did with the two 2nd's.

[sveumrules]

Yeah, I always liked DDV. He was great in that 5th starter role where he didn't need the ball in his hands to still have a positive impact with his defense & rebounding.

 

At the same time, he was pretty much the only real trade-able asset on the roster & the writing was kind of on the wall ever since the Grayson acquisition/extension.

 

Clearing out Hood/Semi & getting a couple second round picks back is just an added bonus. Also like that we kept Nwora. He might need to go somewhere else to really get an opportunity, but I still like his potential as a microwave bench scorer.

[CheezWizHed]

Just want to make sure everyone isn't accidentally wearing their homer goggles when passing judgement on guys. Gotta keep things fair and balanced.

 

 

Wow did he look young there.

 

I'll take something like this to a nut-shot or taking out their legs while in the air type of thing. Plus needing to go back as far as you did to find something like this speaks to it being the exception rather than the norm.

[SeaBass]

Just want to make sure everyone isn't accidentally wearing their homer goggles when passing judgement on guys. Gotta keep things fair and balanced.

 

Wow did he look young there.

 

I'll take something like this to a nut-shot or taking out their legs while in the air type of thing. Plus needing to go back as far as you did to find something like this speaks to it being the exception rather than the norm.

I don't think we get to give Giannis a pass for being young when we're talking about Allen's college exploits.

 

That hit on Dunleavy Giannis sprinted from three quarters court away and tackled him like a cornerback hitting a WR over the middle, he was lucky not to be hurt. It's not shown in that video but I remember it. As I've said I didn't feel sorry for Dunleavy (he had just shoved Giannis down to the floor) but it's a bad thing he did.

 

Actually here it is in more detail around the 1:40 mark.

 

Giannis has had his share of questionable moments. There's a video of him continually getting into the space of jump shooters so they come down hard on his foot underneath them and twisting ankles, including last season in the playoffs when Kyrie got hurt. He's very good at showing concern for guys he gets tangled with, I think he's being authentic but can we be absolutely sure? How hasn't he done a better job of keeping his feet out of harm's way if it's been this repetitive and he's drawn multiple flagrant fouls doing it?

 

Kyrie: (I don't think it was on purpose but go ask some Nets fans about it.)

 

Mix tape:

 

This happened tonight against the Suns, called for a flagrant foul:

 

He also had a pretty hard foul on Westbrook the other night vs. the Lakers, Westbrook initially got upset but calmed down after Giannis made sure he was ok.

 

I don't think Giannis is dirty, that's not the argument I'm making, but what if all those plays were by Greyson Allen instead? Hmmmm.

 

Giannis' reputation and likeability saves him some grief for sure.

[SeaBass]

Also, Pat C. broke his shooting hand tonight. No timeline on the injury yet. Unfortunate timing after we were all talking about DDV being a redundant player and it was ok he was traded. Bummer.

[nodakfan17]

This isn’t intended to be politically charged, but every time I see an Alex Lasry commercial where he claims to pay Wisconsin workers more, I say to myself: ‘Yeah, except PJ Tucker.’

[patrickgpe]

Also, Pat C. broke his shooting hand tonight. No timeline on the injury yet. Unfortunate timing after we were all talking about DDV being a redundant player and it was ok he was traded. Bummer.

I wouldn't freak out over that. Maybe they can get someone like Dragic in the buyout market. Being the defending champs has its benefits and one is its more appealing to buyout candidates looking for one more chance at a ring.

 

EDIT: https://dairylandexpress.com/2022/02/11/milwaukee-bucks-2022-buyout-market-big-board/

Harris would be nice.

[sveumrules]

Tough break for Patty C. Something I thought was kind of interesting looking at the Bucks On/Off numbers so far this year is how despite his efficiency going through the roof (.407 3P% | .639 2P% | .630 TS%), Pat has been the only regular with a negative On/Off (-8.7 pts/100 possessions) & by quite a large margin...

 

Giannis (+12.3) Jrue (+15.3) Khris (+4.7) Bobby (+7.8) Grayson (+5.9) Hill (+16.1) Wes (+11.8)

[CheezWizHed]

Just want to make sure everyone isn't accidentally wearing their homer goggles when passing judgement on guys. Gotta keep things fair and balanced.

 

Wow did he look young there.

 

I'll take something like this to a nut-shot or taking out their legs while in the air type of thing. Plus needing to go back as far as you did to find something like this speaks to it being the exception rather than the norm.

I don't think we get to give Giannis a pass for being young when we're talking about Allen's college exploits.

 

That hit on Dunleavy Giannis sprinted from three quarters court away and tackled him like a cornerback hitting a WR over the middle, he was lucky not to be hurt. It's not shown in that video but I remember it. As I've said I didn't feel sorry for Dunleavy (he had just shoved Giannis down to the floor) but it's a bad thing he did.

 

Actually here it is in more detail around the 1:40 mark.

 

Giannis has had his share of questionable moments. There's a video of him continually getting into the space of jump shooters so they come down hard on his foot underneath them and twisting ankles, including last season in the playoffs when Kyrie got hurt. He's very good at showing concern for guys he gets tangled with, I think he's being authentic but can we be absolutely sure? How hasn't he done a better job of keeping his feet out of harm's way if it's been this repetitive and he's drawn multiple flagrant fouls doing it?

 

Kyrie: (I don't think it was on purpose but go ask some Nets fans about it.)

 

Mix tape:

 

This happened tonight against the Suns, called for a flagrant foul:

 

He also had a pretty hard foul on Westbrook the other night vs. the Lakers, Westbrook initially got upset but calmed down after Giannis made sure he was ok.

 

I don't think Giannis is dirty, that's not the argument I'm making, but what if all those plays were by Greyson Allen instead? Hmmmm.

 

Giannis' reputation and likeability saves him some grief for sure.

 

My comment on Giannis' age was not meant to be part of the "dirty" conversation. Just surprise on how much he has changed physically. I remember how much he grew, but it is still surprising when you see him in the "pre" state again. I commented that it has been a while since he had a real dirty shot like that. Everyone came make mistakes, but the real dirty player is someone that does it often or continually.

 

Obviously, intent is pretty hard to gauge when people step on ankles and things like that. Plus, with people jostling and playing hard defense, including things like that really opens the numbers of people that would be considered "dirty".

 

Anything that would be considered a non-basketball type move -- punches, flying elbows to the face, hitting someone low when they are in the air, crotch shots... those are all pretty clearly not "accidents". The people that do that and do it regularly are the true "dirty" players.

 

Honestly, I don't follow non-Buck players enough (or even the NBA enough) to know Allen's nor Ibaka's career history to say they are or aren't dirty. But anyone that intentionally goes for someone else' privates (yes, Brad Davis too) is pretty much the lowest of the low, IMO.

[FVBrewerFan]

Tough break for Patty C. Something I thought was kind of interesting looking at the Bucks On/Off numbers so far this year is how despite his efficiency going through the roof (.407 3P% | .639 2P% | .630 TS%), Pat has been the only regular with a negative On/Off (-8.7 pts/100 possessions) & by quite a large margin...

 

Giannis (+12.3) Jrue (+15.3) Khris (+4.7) Bobby (+7.8) Grayson (+5.9) Hill (+16.1) Wes (+11.8)

 

He is often in during mop up time. The advanced stats in basketball are interesting, but often very misleading. Look no further than Hill +16.1 vs Pat -8.7.

[patrickgpe]

Bucks close to signing DeAndre' Bembry. Can't say I have ever heard of the guy, but seems to be a decent defensive wing from what I have read, which would help the bucks, especially with the lose of DDV via trade at Patty C for the next 4 weeks.

[sveumrules]

Giannis with the casual 50 piece on 17-21 from the field & 14-18 from the line.

 

One more game Thursday vs Embiid & the 76ers before the (much needed) All Star break.

 

Last road game was 2/10 so they've been back in MKE since 2/11. Next road game isn't until 3/4 @ Chicago (pretty short trip), then they've got Phoenix at Fiserv on 3/6 before heading out to OKC on 3/8.

 

That is essentially a month at home with no real travel. Pretty nuts.