Bucks 2021-2022 season thread

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Looks like most of the TPMLE is being used on Hill.

 

 

 

Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

 

Sources: 13-year NBA vet George Hill has cleared free agency waivers and now will sign a two-year, $8M deal with Milwaukee.

 

Yikes, what an awful waste of money. After the great Bobby Portis news, this offseason took a nose dive with the New York billionaire owners lowballing PJ Tucker, and now signing George Hill to anything other than a vet min deal (though bringing him back at all is bad enough).

 

Couldn't disagree more. He is another reliable shooter with extensive playoff experience and he plays both ends of the floor. I'm confused why anyone would be so staunchly opposed to bringing him back. They probably didn't want to get rid of him in the first place but had to when the chance to get Holiday came up.

 

I'm also already tired of this lowballing PJ Tucker narrative I keep seeing everywhere. Opting to forgo $40 million a year for PJ Tucker isn't low balling. I get it, he's tenacious and likes to play defense, but his one month in the spotlight is driving his reputation to insane levels.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Yes technically they could have paid PJ to come back. But the amount it would have cost them to keep a guy who scores three points a game and plays rough and tumble defense is astronomical. I like PJ Tucker. I like what he did for the Bucks. I'm one of his proponents. I'm a guy who thinks he does a lot more than what shows up in the box score. But to pay what amounts to 50 million dollars a year for those intangibles is absolutely bonkers. Because that's what it would cost to go into the luxury tax to pay him, and that's just nutso.

[sveumrules]

Would have been nice if they got one more guy somehow, but I think the PJ situation is kinda similar to the Brogdon situation from a cap/tax standpoint. Assuming they extend DDV as an RFA and re-up Bobby on a closer to market deal after the season their tax bill will probably be right up there with the Nets for 2022-23.

 

On the other hand, they just won it all playing ostensibly seven guys (postseason minutes played)...

 

Khris (922) Jrue (912) Giannis (800) PJ (681) Brook (667) Pat (546) Bobby (366) Forbes (273) Teague (119)

 

Main thing will be health again. If everyone is good to go come playoff time DDV steps into PJs minutes, Bobby gets more playing time, then it comes down to Hill, maybe Nwora if he figures out some semblance of defense, maybe a trade deadline pick being that 8th guy in the postseason rotation.

 

Bring on Summer League!!

[adambr2]

Is it possible they can just trade for another PJ Tucker type at the deadline again?

 

I don't really know much about NBA contracts and how it would work, but just throwing out the possibility.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Is it possible they can just trade for another PJ Tucker type at the deadline again?

 

I don't really know much about NBA contracts and how it would work, but just throwing out the possibility.

 

I don't know either, but that's going to be the name of the game for the Bucks going forward. Whether they just get 1 title or 3-4 in 10 years will depend on those kind of mid-season value gets or FA bargains. They're not going to be in the mix for sexy names with essentially 3 max deals. I said this either during the Finals or shortly after, the strategy can't be retaining Tucker and Portis every year. It's going to have to be finding inefficiencies like that on a consistent basis.

 

I also said this, but it's less scientific: I've never been a big fan of totally running it back. Particularly in the NBA I think infusing new blood can be more helpful to keep everyone hungry and mix up the dynamic.

[nodakfan17]

Is it possible they can just trade for another PJ Tucker type at the deadline again?

 

I don't really know much about NBA contracts and how it would work, but just throwing out the possibility.

 

There will almost always be a PJ Tucker-caliber player available at the trade deadline or through mid-season buy outs. It’s safe to assume the Bucks will have opportunities to improve their roster as the season progresses.

[patrickgpe]

Is it possible they can just trade for another PJ Tucker type at the deadline again?

 

I don't really know much about NBA contracts and how it would work, but just throwing out the possibility.

The largest issue with that is that they have no 1st round draft picks to trade away. they have to keep theirs this upcoming season. Between the holiday and tucker trade, its going to be hard to trade away any further ones through Giannis' contract extension.

 

Also there would be luxury tax issues unless the trading team would take on a contract to match salaries.

[FVBrewerFan]

Everything now is about the playoffs. Rotations, who's a backup, etc. doesn't mean anything. It's all about having players with specific skill sets for playoff basketball.

 

Forbes was unplayable in the playoffs due to his defense, or non-defense to be exact. Now you replace him with DDV and Hill, that's a pretty significant improvement.

[SeaBass]

The wailing and gnashing of teeth (in general, everywhere online) over PJ Tucker is a little much. I'd maybe have a different opinion if he offered anything offensively but paying that much and going that heavily into the tax for a no offense, all defense guy just doesn't make sense to me. I'd think it would be easier to add an all defense, no offense guy for less money and maybe they tried that to a lesser extent with Semi Ojeleye and as others have mentioned maybe they find a player later to add similar to how they found Tucker in the first place.

 

The one point I've seen where the Bucks could be missing out by not signing him is that they would have that salary slot to use in a trade for later if they needed to. Again, I'm not sure if that's worth the ultimate cost in luxury tax. Setting $20+ million basically on fire just isn't something that makes a ton of sense unless they're really, really getting a lot of value in going that direction.

[tigerbrew]

Looks like most of the TPMLE is being used on Hill.

 

 

 

Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

 

Sources: 13-year NBA vet George Hill has cleared free agency waivers and now will sign a two-year, $8M deal with Milwaukee.

 

Yikes, what an awful waste of money. After the great Bobby Portis news, this offseason took a nose dive with the New York billionaire owners lowballing PJ Tucker, and now signing George Hill to anything other than a vet min deal (though bringing him back at all is bad enough).

 

Couldn't disagree more. He is another reliable shooter with extensive playoff experience and he plays both ends of the floor. I'm confused why anyone would be so staunchly opposed to bringing him back. They probably didn't want to get rid of him in the first place but had to when the chance to get Holiday came up.

 

I'm also already tired of this lowballing PJ Tucker narrative I keep seeing everywhere. Opting to forgo $40 million a year for PJ Tucker isn't low balling. I get it, he's tenacious and likes to play defense, but his one month in the spotlight is driving his reputation to insane levels.

 

Yup, the Bucks wanted to keep Hill, but it was a 3-way trade for Jrue and OKC wanted Hill for the Steven Adams trade. The Bucks had no choice but to include Hill for the Jrue trade to be successful.

 

Ironically, if the Bucks were able to keep Hill in the Jrue trade, they would have to pay Hill $9.6M for the 21-22 season, but now they have him on a lot cheaper contract of $4M per year for 2 years.

 

Last offseason the Bucks signed DJ Augustin to a 3yr $21M contract to replace Hill as the backup PG, and Augustin was so bad defensively that they had to get rid of him, fortunately the Bucks were able to trade him for Tucker.

 

I'm glad that Hill is back, I still remember he led the entire NBA in 3pt shooting at 46% in the 19-20 season as our backup PG. He's a good 3pt shooter and defender, and a steady ball handler, all the qualities of what the Bucks need to backup Jrue.

[tigerbrew]

I'm optimistic about Nwora and think he could make a good rotation piece. He is Nigeria's best offensive player in the Olympics, but needs to work on his defense.

 

Middleton isn't the defender he is now in his first couple of years with the Bucks, but he got a lot of playing time despite making defensive mistakes. Hope the Bucks give Nwora much more playing time this season.

[patrickgpe]

Bucks get Grayson Allen for Merrill and 2 2nds. Minus the fact that I couldn't stand him at Duke, he should add some 3 point shooting off of the bench.

[homer]

That's.....a good move? Everyone hates the guy but he can do way more than Merrill. He started 38 games last year.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The nut puncher is a guy you love on your own team, but only your own team.

[patrickgpe]

from the grizzlies beat writer for the athletic:

 

Needed to clear roster spot, positional logjam, and free up some money. Grayson Allen deal to Milwaukee makes sense. Did him a solid. Taylor Jenkins may not be pleased but this was a necessary move from the Grizzlies FO.

[GAME05]

The newest Steve Forbes.

[adambr2]

Man I hate that guy. Good move, though. I guess I'll have to try to learn to like him.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Nope. I will not root for Grayson Allen.

[MrTPlush]

As a non Wisconsin basketball fan I LOLed really hard when I saw this headline on Facebook. The thought of Wisconsin basketball fans needing to cheer for this guy is just funny.

 

Of course it then set in that Allen is a douche and I don’t like him either. Not sure how he has been in recent years. I recall him doing dumb stuff his rookie year, but not sure now.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

He's the same guy he's always been. Couldn't care less, he wears the right colors now.

[owbc]

That's an impressive pickup. What a weapon for Giannis to have. How many assists per game is Giannis going to add from dishing to Allen?

[SomewhereInTime]

Ok, that redeems things a bit from the Tucker and Hill moves, offseason trending back in the right direction.

[tigerbrew]

Looks like DDV now has competition at the SG position, Grayson Allen will be restricted FA next offseason and the Bucks may have to pick which one to keep.

 

 

[tigerbrew]

Bucks used their $4.8M Trade Exception in the Grayson trade.

 

 

 

Keith Smith

@KeithSmithNBA

 

The Bucks will have to take Grayson Allen into the DJ Augustin TPE they have from last year.

 

Milwaukee adding to their tax bill, but they get a quality win shooter.

[patrickgpe]

The bucks did need to add 3 point shooters to their bench which they did this offseason with Hood, Hill and Allen. Those that complained (I'm guilty too) that complained about the bucks trading down in the 2nd, now see what doing that has done. The 2 extra 2nd's got the bucks Grayson Allen for last year's second and 2 additional 2nds. It is true that the bucks will be able to only sign DDV or Allen, but their depth at the SG position is greatly improved for next season, which is all they probably care about right now.

 

Bucks continue to have a good offseason, no matter how many complain that they couldn't figure out to keep Tucker.