Trade Deadline Rumors

[sveumrules]

Not really. "How much are you going to pay me" is quite a bit higher on the question list of prospective free agents than "when do you think you will be contenders again?"

 

In any event, the large payroll of the Cubs makes it unlikely for them to need numerous years to turn it around.

 

Cubs only have about 40 million on the books next year for Heyward, Hendriks, Bote & Arrieta's buyout. Their only notable Arby's guys are Contreras & Happ, who will probably come in a little under 20 million combined.

 

Cots has their opening day payroll going from 203 million in 2019 to 148 million this year. Of the 14 Cubs prospects FanGraphs has rated a 45 FV or higher their ETAs are 2021 (3), 2022 (2), 2023 (2), 2024 (3) and 2025 (4), with all of the top 5 and 7 of the top 10 having ETAs between 2023-25.

 

I think the Cubs are in for at least a couple two tree years of lower payrolls than they were running the last five six seasons.

[Eye Black]

Not really. "How much are you going to pay me" is quite a bit higher on the question list of prospective free agents than "when do you think you will be contenders again?"

 

In any event, the large payroll of the Cubs makes it unlikely for them to need numerous years to turn it around.

 

Cubs only have about 40 million on the books next year for Heyward, Hendriks, Bote & Arrieta's buyout. Their only notable Arby's guys are Contreras & Happ, who will probably come in a little under 20 million combined.

 

Cots has their opening day payroll going from 203 million in 2019 to 148 million this year. Of the 14 Cubs prospects FanGraphs has rated a 45 FV or higher their ETAs are 2021 (3), 2022 (2), 2023 (2), 2024 (3) and 2025 (4), with all of the top 5 and 7 of the top 10 having ETAs between 2023-25.

 

I think the Cubs are in for at least a couple two tree years of lower payrolls than they were running the last five six seasons.

I think Michael Baumann summarized it best on the Ringer MLB podcast this week… the Cubs are a real estate development company now.

[KCBrewerfan34]

And the Brewers have Adames. at his contract I'm guessing he will out value all of these guys about to get paid

[nate82]

 

Story won't be a top FA next offseason - other SS alone include Semien, Seager, Correa, Baez, Crawford that will probably be more coveted than Story. The Cubs will have some $$ and be looking to add a guy they can pay market value on a short term deal with plans to trade him for more prospects....it's the same formula Theo did with the Cubs his first few seasons with them when they were in tank/rebuild mode.

 

Story won't be the top FA SS next off season but he is definitely better than Baez and Crawford looked done in 2019 and had a bounce back year in a shortened 2020 and now looks like his younger self in 2021 but he will be going on his age 35 season next year. I think Story will get a longer contract and more looks than Crawford will next off season.

 

Whoever signs Baez to a long term contract will be regretting it after the first year at least offensively they will be. Baez just doesn't have any plate discipline at all and as he gets older that is going to kill his value. Story even though he has a bad numbers away from Coors there are still places he could go where that is not going to matter. For example he could go to the Yankees or the Reds and both of those stadiums are going to play similarly to Coors. With Yankee stadium having that short porch in RF any player with some opposite field power is going to love that ball park. I believe there has been recent evidence that the Reds ballpark is far more hitter friendly than even Coors is. If Story goes to the Reds his away splits from Coors will not matter at that ballpark.

 

I think Story will have more interest than Baez and Crawford in free agency. The top free agents at SS are Seager and Correa who are 1a and 1b with a large gap between Semien and Story. I would put Crawford and Baez at the bottom and I don't see Crawford leaving the Giants. The Giants will more than likely resign Crawford. The teams that I believe will have interest in Story in the off season will be the Braves, Yankees, Reds and Cardinals. Seager and Correa will probably be playing for different teams next year but it won't be with the teams that I listed previously who will be in on Story.

[MNBrew]

Not really. "How much are you going to pay me" is quite a bit higher on the question list of prospective free agents than "when do you think you will be contenders again?"

 

In any event, the large payroll of the Cubs makes it unlikely for them to need numerous years to turn it around.

 

Cubs only have about 40 million on the books next year for Heyward, Hendriks, Bote & Arrieta's buyout. Their only notable Arby's guys are Contreras & Happ, who will probably come in a little under 20 million combined.

 

Cots has their opening day payroll going from 203 million in 2019 to 148 million this year. Of the 14 Cubs prospects FanGraphs has rated a 45 FV or higher their ETAs are 2021 (3), 2022 (2), 2023 (2), 2024 (3) and 2025 (4), with all of the top 5 and 7 of the top 10 having ETAs between 2023-25.

 

I think the Cubs are in for at least a couple two tree years of lower payrolls than they were running the last five six seasons.

I like what I'm assuming your autocorrect did. I'm envisioning Contreras & Happ sitting around in Arby's eating lunch.

[StearnsFTW]

That wasn't autocorrect.

[adambr2]

Arby's for a quick breakfast is super underrated. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to find one that does breakfast.

[brewcrewdue80]

Guessing because they didn’t want to have to swallow their pride. I really doubt they didn’t get an offer better than a comp pick. How much is a comp pick even ‘worth’? They would have saved $8mil or so selling him off. That alone is probably more valuable than a comp pick.

2013 1 paid Aaron Judge for Yankees.

2014. Cardinals Jack Flaherty.

Red Sox And the uber frustrating Michael Kopech

2015. Braves Mike Sorotka

Pirates KeBrayan Hayes

Orioles Ryan Mountcastle

2016. Padres Eric Lauer

Nationals Dane Dunning

Dodgers Will Smith

Cardinals Dylan Carlson and Dakota Hudson

Nationals former top prospect Rookie Carter Kieboom

2017 Toronto Nate Pearson(#1 team prospect)

2018. Rays Shane Mclanahan

 

Are Comp picks of note/positivity. Certainly potential to find a gem or at minimum use the draft slot to pay one.

[LouisEly]

Guessing because they didn’t want to have to swallow their pride. I really doubt they didn’t get an offer better than a comp pick. How much is a comp pick even ‘worth’? They would have saved $8mil or so selling him off. That alone is probably more valuable than a comp pick.

2013 1 paid Aaron Judge for Yankees.

2014. Cardinals Jack Flaherty.

Red Sox And the uber frustrating Michael Kopech

2015. Braves Mike Sorotka

Pirates KeBrayan Hayes

Orioles Ryan Mountcastle

2016. Padres Eric Lauer

Nationals Dane Dunning

Dodgers Will Smith

Cardinals Dylan Carlson and Dakota Hudson

Nationals former top prospect Rookie Carter Kieboom

2017 Toronto Nate Pearson(#1 team prospect)

2018. Rays Shane Mclanahan

 

Are Comp picks of note/positivity. Certainly potential to find a gem or at minimum use the draft slot to pay one.

Trevor Story himself was the 45th overall pick in 2011. And he wasn't a gross over-slot signing, signing for only $915K.

 

In theory, the Rockies could draft the next Trevor Story with the comp pick.

[MrTPlush]

Guessing because they didn’t want to have to swallow their pride. I really doubt they didn’t get an offer better than a comp pick. How much is a comp pick even ‘worth’? They would have saved $8mil or so selling him off. That alone is probably more valuable than a comp pick.

2013 1 paid Aaron Judge for Yankees.

2014. Cardinals Jack Flaherty.

Red Sox And the uber frustrating Michael Kopech

2015. Braves Mike Sorotka

Pirates KeBrayan Hayes

Orioles Ryan Mountcastle

2016. Padres Eric Lauer

Nationals Dane Dunning

Dodgers Will Smith

Cardinals Dylan Carlson and Dakota Hudson

Nationals former top prospect Rookie Carter Kieboom

2017 Toronto Nate Pearson(#1 team prospect)

2018. Rays Shane Mclanahan

 

Are Comp picks of note/positivity. Certainly potential to find a gem or at minimum use the draft slot to pay one.

 

Sure, you can find value. It still doesn't really change the fact $8mil is probably a better deal and the players offered at the deadline would be more likely to amount to something over the compensation pick...especially when also considering you save like $8mil to boot.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Apparently the rumors were true, and the Brewers made plays for both Max Scherzer and Craig Kimbrel at the deadline. https://www.mlb.com/news/source-brewers-eyed-max-scherzer-craig-kimbrel-trades

 

It would have been interesting to see what they would have had to give up for those guys. Kimbrel especially would have been pricey. I wonder if the Cubs just up and decided that they weren't going to contribute to the Brewers' potential success this year?

[PeaveyFury]

Interesting read, and certainly unsurprising that the Brewers at least considered those as options. To your point, we may never know whether the Cubs liked the White Sox offer better, or whether they just wouldn't deal with us.

[adambr2]

Given what the Sox gave up for Kimbrel (a lot), I'm curious what we had on the table for him.

[sveumrules]

Given what the Sox gave up for Kimbrel (a lot), I'm curious what we had on the table for him.

 

Turang is probably the closest comp for Madrigal, in that they're both punchless middle infielders. Madrigal's edge is that he is already singling MLB to death where Turang's offense is much less certain at this point, Brice's edge is that he is apparently a legit SS who is younger & with more team control.

 

Heuer looks like a middle leverage reliever with some team control left. Since most would probably value Madrigal over Turang we might have to give up a better reliever. Maybe one of Sanchez or Cousins? Possibly Abner Uribe if the Cubs want to go more for future value?

[TURBO]

meh.

 

Nothing burger.

 

I'm sure Stearns touches base with all the big name guys that are available EVERY single season.

 

We always hear about it afterwards, and it is always just talk.

 

Would LOVE to hear what we offerd though.

[MrTPlush]

I mean, why would we not be interested in those guys? Unless it gets reported that we nearly traded for them it means just about nothing.

[jonescm128]

Now that the deadline has passed what grade would you give Stearns for this year's acquisitions? I think this is the full list of players acquired (trades only) who have contributed at the MLB level this year:

 

Weigel (4.0 IP, 4.50 ERA, 2.00 WHIP)

Adames (266 ABs, .935 OPS, 16 HRs, 48 RBI)

Strickland (17.1 IP, 1.56 ERA, .808 WHIP)

Gustave (7.0 IP, 0.00 ERA, 0.714 WHIP)

Tellez (71 ABs, .980 OPS, 5 HRs, 18 RBI)

Escobar (52 ABs, 1.000 OPS, 2 HR, 7 RBI)

Norris (5.2 IP, 11.12 ERA, 1.941 WHIP)

Curtiss (Out for season - 4.1 IP, 12.46 ERA, 2.538 WHIP)

 

I would give this a solid A. Acquiring a franchise SS performing at an MVP level alone makes this a success. Add in Tellez, Escobar and Strickland (and Gustave to a lesser degree) and you have four or five guys who have totally changed the look of this team. Offense was desperately needed to pair with our elite pitching staff and we have gotten more than anyone could have hoped for with Adames, Tellez and Escobar. In addition, Strickland has given them another great arm to add to the bullpen.

 

Yes, Norris and Curtis have been huge busts but we barely gave up anything to acquire them. The only disappointment for me is we were clearly looking to upgrade our bullpen at the deadline and missed out on some more elite names like Kimbrel so it stings just a bit more.

[Outlander]

The weak point of this team was SS and 1B and he improved it so would give A. Would have been nice to get better relievers but they already had good/great pitching so being able to obtain Adames/Escobar/Tellez puts them in position for a championship.

[markedman5]

Add Bryan Reynolds to the guys Stearns went after

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/09/braves-brewers-made-pirates-big-time-offers-for-bryan-reynolds.html