2021 NBA Draft Thread

[patrickgpe]

Now that the parade is over, the draft is in 6 days. With the first pick in the 2nd round, bucks are in a pretty enviable position. They will have to look to get another cheap bench player and will get a 1st round talent with a non-guarenteed contract. The 3 guys I'm look at are:

 

Jared Butler, Baylor

Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga

Greg Brown, Texas

 

some mocks have them available, some don't. Just like last year, i hope they go an older player route (i know Brown is a freshman). The seemed to do OK with that last year, but Nwora just couldn't get PT with the depth of the team.

[CheezWizHed]

Technically he wouldn't be 1st round talent if he is drafted in the second round, right?

 

They certainly need to make hay with their second-round picks for depth and role players. I'm guessing we will see much more of Nwora this year.

[rickh150]

I’d like to see the Bucks trade it for two later 2nd rounders (or another from next year’s draft). The Garza kid from Iowa would be one choice who would be available. He is a tireless worker, lost a bunch of weight, and would be a great team guy. He is slow, but who knows how he has developed over the summer. I think you are shooting realistically for a quality role players (in a couple of years) with 2nd round picks. If nothing else, get a skilled kid that will work, likes to be physical, and will get better. I’d view him to potentially compete with Lopez for minutes, allowing a trade for Lopez to potentially materialize in a year.

 

Also, I was so glad the Suns pulled Frank (a similar type player) late in the 4th quarter. He was making a difference offensively (and defensively), giving the team a better dynamic than just pick and roll with Paul or Booker. He reminded me of the Denver star in ways, getting the ball at top of key, handing off or faking handing off, dribbling off the fake. He arguably outplayed Aston in Game 6.

[patrickgpe]

Garza would be ok but I think he is a late first. Aaron Henry? I’d like them to take an older player this draft

[nate82]

 

Also, I was so glad the Suns pulled Frank (a similar type player) late in the 4th quarter. He was making a difference offensively (and defensively), giving the team a better dynamic than just pick and roll with Paul or Booker. He reminded me of the Denver star in ways, getting the ball at top of key, handing off or faking handing off, dribbling off the fake. He arguably outplayed Aston in Game 6.

 

Kaminsky was a liability all series a couple of minutes in game 6 doesn't change that he is an extreme liability on the court. In game 5 Teague or Forbes got to an easy rebound that Kaminsky should have had think about that for a minute. Kamnisky is a horrible center and is no where near Jokic offensively or defensively. He also did not out play Ayton in Game 6. Just because he was playing decently for a few minutes in game 6 doesn't mean he outplayed Ayton in game 6.

[rickh150]

 

Also, I was so glad the Suns pulled Frank (a similar type player) late in the 4th quarter. He was making a difference offensively (and defensively), giving the team a better dynamic than just pick and roll with Paul or Booker. He reminded me of the Denver star in ways, getting the ball at top of key, handing off or faking handing off, dribbling off the fake. He arguably outplayed Aston in Game 6.

 

Kaminsky was a liability all series a couple of minutes in game 6 doesn't change that he is an extreme liability on the court. In game 5 Teague or Forbes got to an easy rebound that Kaminsky should have had think about that for a minute. Kamnisky is a horrible center and is no where near Jokic offensively or defensively. He also did not out play Ayton in Game 6. Just because he was playing decently for a few minutes in game 6 doesn't mean he outplayed Ayton in game 6.

 

 

Never said he played to the level of Jokic….

Frank hardly plays so tough to be real sure how good/bad he is. He looked good in Game 6, though, and Ayton was progressively looking worse all series. Ayton had 12 and 6 in 36 minutes, while being the primary defender against a guy that threw up 50.

Yeah, I think Frank outplayed him in Game 6.

[rickh150]

Garza would be ok but I think he is a late first. Aaron Henry? I’d like them to take an older player this draft

 

I have read that many do not view him going in the 1st round… we’ll see.

[patrickgpe]

I think Garza is a late 2nd.

[nate82]

 

 

Never said he played to the level of Jokic….

Frank hardly plays so tough to be real sure how good/bad he is. He looked good in Game 6, though, and Ayton was progressively looking worse all series. Ayton had 12 and 6 in 36 minutes, while being the primary defender against a guy that threw up 50.

Yeah, I think Frank outplayed him in Game 6.

 

While Ayton didn't cover Giannis all the time when he did Giannis scored 27 against him and 8 of those were at the free throw line the next person who covered him the most was Crowder and he scored 12 against him the rest were covered by Kaminsky and others. So Kaminsky was also part of that 50 so no Frank did not outplay him in game 6 and if Frank played more he would have been worse than Ayton. Giannis was absolutely abusing Kaminsky when he was in the game during the series I don't see that stopping at all. Ayton didn't play all that well in game 6 but to say Kaminsky outplayed him is just asinine.

[nodakfan17]

Any chance the Bucks buy a pick?

 

[sarcasm]I just bought a Bucks sweatshirt, so they should be working with some extra cash.[/sarcasm]

[jjfanec]

I think Garza is a late 2nd.

 

Most places have him as a late 2nd. Wieskamp the other Iowa player is more likely to be drafted in the early 2nd. Could be an interesting prospect for the bucks. Comparison for him include Duncan Robinson

[nate82]

I like Josh Primo though not sure he will be there when the Bucks pick. The middle pucks are really hard to figure out this year. There are a lot of players who fit into that 15-30 range.

[DuWayne Steurer]

The Pelicans are trying to trade Bledsoe and the 10th pick to the Grizzles for the 17th pick.

 

Unless someone isn't reporting something, the Grizzlies are asking the Pelicans to move back 7 spots so they can get rid of Bledsoe.

 

[rickh150]

 

 

Never said he played to the level of Jokic….

Frank hardly plays so tough to be real sure how good/bad he is. He looked good in Game 6, though, and Ayton was progressively looking worse all series. Ayton had 12 and 6 in 36 minutes, while being the primary defender against a guy that threw up 50.

Yeah, I think Frank outplayed him in Game 6.

 

While Ayton didn't cover Giannis all the time when he did Giannis scored 27 against him and 8 of those were at the free throw line the next person who covered him the most was Crowder and he scored 12 against him the rest were covered by Kaminsky and others. So Kaminsky was also part of that 50 so no Frank did not outplay him in game 6 and if Frank played more he would have been worse than Ayton. Giannis was absolutely abusing Kaminsky when he was in the game during the series I don't see that stopping at all. Ayton didn't play all that well in game 6 but to say Kaminsky outplayed him is just asinine.

 

https://www.nba.com/news/inside-the-box-score-2021-nba-finals-game-6

 

Frank had a very, very good game for being 7th on the team in minutes played (11 min.). He was efficient from the field 3-4 (the miss was a created shot in the paint), had two boards, an assist and steal. He led all players on both teams with 5 box outs, and was arguably the most efficient player for the Suns in Game 6 with an impressive usage/point percentages(16%,24%).

 

Ayton was just bad all around this game for who he is. A 12/6 game in 36 minutes of action? +/- of -7 on the court? 1 offensive rebound in 36 minutes? I could do that. And again, he guarded Giannis primarily who had his best game ever. When he wasn’t guarding him, he wasn’t a presence with help on him in the paint either. He played timid, IMO.

 

Don’t try to spin this too much here. I’m not saying Frank is better overall or could guard Giannis better. Frank just played a better game than Ayton in Game 6 by stats and by sight in the short amount of time he was in. Frank played his best game and Ayton, arguably his worst of the Finals. If you want to play the woulda, coulda, shoulda game…. If Frank guarded 34 for 20 min., etc., for example…. sure, the results would be all different.

[AKCheesehead]

I enjoyed watching Garza at Iowa but I wouldn't want to draft him for NBA play. Sure he's skilled and works, but I just don't know who he's going to guard in the NBA. Unless he somehow got a whole lot faster.

[tigerbrew]

The 3 guys I like for the Bucks 31st pick in order:

 

Top choice - Trey Murphy III

2nd choice - Quentin Grimes

3rd choice - Miles McBride

[patrickgpe]

The athletic is reporting that the bucks are trying to use this pick to get a veteran. With their cap situation, I don’t see how this is possible. I just hope they get an upperclassman tomorrow or trade it for a veteran.

[reillymcshane]

The Athletic did a great, in depth look at opportunities for Milwaukee at #31.

 

Interesting note from the article: Roughly 86 percent of the players drafted between Nos. 31 and 40 from 2000 to 2017 failed to become high-level rotation players.

 

This may be why Milwaukee is looking to trade the pick - knowing they have enough development guys on the roster - and they want someone they know can make an impact.

 

https://theathletic.com/2732245/2021/07/29/milwaukee-bucks-2021-nba-draft-primer-keep-or-trade-no-31-depth-chart-analysis-needs-prospects-and-more/

 

Obviously, as it's The Athletic, it's a paywall.

[tigerbrew]

Looks like Bucks are trading down to get 4 2nd picks

 

 

Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

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5m

Sources: Indiana is sending No. 54, No. 60 and two future seconds to Milwaukee for No. 31.

[Austin Tatious]

Good. We need picks. For the DECADE. Shows 31 is perceived to have value. Hopefully those two future seconds end up decently high.

[nate82]

Looks like Bucks are trading down to get 4 2nd picks

 

 

Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

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5m

Sources: Indiana is sending No. 54, No. 60 and two future seconds to Milwaukee for No. 31.

 

That is a pretty good return for one pick in the 2nd round.

[patrickgpe]

It’s a lot of picks because it’s valuable. As I said at 31 you basically are drafting a 1st without having to give him a guaranteed contract. Now you have 2 late 2nds that aren’t going to get on the court this season.

[homer]

they got four picks for the 31st pick I think they did pretty well

[tigerbrew]

Details of the trade

 

 

Eric Nehm

@eric_nehm

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16m

Details on the Bucks-Pacers trade, per a source.

 

Bucks trade No. 31 to the Pacers.

 

Bucks receive:

2021 No. 54.

2021 No. 60.

In 2024, the more favorable of a)IND's 2nd rd and b) the less favorable of CLE/UTH 2nd rd.

In 2026, the more favorable of IND and MIA's 2nd rd picks.

[tigerbrew]

Pacers have traded Aaron Holiday and the 31st pick to the Wizards for the 22nd pick (and they have selected Isaiah Jackson).