2021 Draft Pick Discussion, Rounds 1-10

[pacopete4]

Short Players

Mookie Betts is 5’9” and didn’t have a home run in his first 77 professional games.

 

I think we are really grasping at straws when very few players that size hit for power.

 

No one is grasping but yourself. Just showing that there have been plenty of very good to great players that are short. Who cares? If the guy can hit, he will make it. If he can’t, he won’t. This isn’t that hard.

[sveumrules]

Stearns has shown that hew can draft pitching though Montgomery is the one who selected both Woodruff and Burnes if I am right.

 

Woodruff was drafted in 2014, Montgomery was only here for 2015-16 drafts.

[brewers888]

Stearns has shown that hew can draft pitching though Montgomery is the one who selected both Woodruff and Burnes if I am right.

 

Woodruff was drafted in 2014, Montgomery was only here for 2015-16 drafts.

 

Ok thanks for the correction.

[LouisEly]

Yankees took Trey Sweeney at #20 - that's the guy I wanted. We'll see.

 

Maybe Mikulski will still be there at #33.

[Eye Black]

I hope Frelick ends up a star and we can all laugh at my reactions. He's a Brewer now so we all hope he becomes a star.

To be fair, I don’t think anyone needs to wait to see how the Frelick development turns out to chuckle at the absurdity of someone making “the sky is falling” type prognostications over players they clearly don’t know much, if anything, about.

[brewers888]

Wicks looks like Sogards brother.

[82brewcrew82]

I hope Frelick ends up a star and we can all laugh at my reactions. He's a Brewer now so we all hope he becomes a star.

To be fair, I don’t think anyone needs to wait to see how the Frelick development turns out to chuckle at the absurdity of someone making “the sky is falling” type prognostications over players they clearly don’t know much, if anything, about.

Amen

[brewcrewdue80]

Once again a player expected to go sooner that milw drafted later. Hope for the best. Seems a similar profile position-wise as Mitchell. Gotta start wondering front office going to go for it by trading Mitchell after this selection. Not going to say absolutely thrilled but can't be upset with what seems a safe pick. Hit the HR with 33 here on risk/reward.

[brewers888]

I hope Frelick ends up a star and we can all laugh at my reactions. He's a Brewer now so we all hope he becomes a star.

To be fair, I don’t think anyone needs to wait to see how the Frelick development turns out to chuckle at the absurdity of someone making “the sky is falling” type prognostications over players they clearly don’t know much, if anything, about.

 

I don't know why some of you are so offended that I didn't like the pick or have different thoughts on the team. Not once have I attacked another poster yet the vitriol comes in my direction all the time.

[brewers888]

This is a message board where I thought all points of view were welcome but I guess not.

[82brewcrew82]

I hope Frelick ends up a star and we can all laugh at my reactions. He's a Brewer now so we all hope he becomes a star.

To be fair, I don’t think anyone needs to wait to see how the Frelick development turns out to chuckle at the absurdity of someone making “the sky is falling” type prognostications over players they clearly don’t know much, if anything, about.

 

I don't know why some of you are so offended that I didn't like the pick or have different thoughts on the team. Not once have I attacked another poster yet the vitriol comes in my direction all the time.

Step back and think about why that would be for a while.

[brewers888]

Once again a player expected to go sooner that milw drafted later. Hope for the best. Seems a similar profile position-wise as Mitchell. Gotta start wondering front office going to go for it by trading Mitchell after this selection. Not going to say absolutely thrilled but can't be upset with what seems a safe pick. Hit the HR with 33 here on risk/reward.

 

Mitchell is an absolute physical speciman with the upside for power to come. Much different profile than a 5'9 outfielder compared on a best case scenario to Brett Gardner.

[pacopete4]

Once again a player expected to go sooner that milw drafted later. Hope for the best. Seems a similar profile position-wise as Mitchell. Gotta start wondering front office going to go for it by trading Mitchell after this selection. Not going to say absolutely thrilled but can't be upset with what seems a safe pick. Hit the HR with 33 here on risk/reward.

 

I can’t see how this draft would affect who the feel they can or who they are open to trading. The MLB is about stacking talent. As much as you can find. If you can deal from strengths to fill weaknesses, that’s a great thing but I don’t think this draft will affect that this August.

[Oxy]

This is a message board where I thought all points of view were welcome but I guess not.

 

You aren't banned from posting. Nor do I think anything you've posted calls for being banned. And you are still here posting. Post away, just as the rest of us will as well.

[brewers888]

Its not a good thing that I had to put someone on ignore because he was constantly stalking me. All opinions should be welcome not just the pom pom wavers.

[sveumrules]

The reason we have such a lowly ranked farm system is because we have graduated or traded for over half of the current 26 man roster which has won the 9th most games in MLB at the All Star break this year, combined with poor draft position because the MLB team has won the 7th most games since 2018 with all the players they graduated or acquired via trade from their poorly rated farm system.

 

All our 1st round picks post Ray have performed consistently & steadily climbed the ladder through the system.

 

Just because you don't understand or disagree with the philosophy doesn't mean it isn't working.

 

I hear this low draft position excuse all the time but organizations like Tampa pick as late or later and have done quite well.

 

So have the Brewers.

 

Tampa's top four prospects entering the year (Franco, Arozarena, Brujan, Patino) were all international signings or acquired via trade, none were drafted by TB.

 

The Brewers made next to zero international effort prior to Stearns & company getting here. Since then they have increased that effort drastically, but we 're talking about 16/17 year old kids from foreign countries, so these things take a looong time & those increased efforts are just starting to show up on the lists.

 

In the FanGraphs pre-draft farm system rankings, they specifically mentioned the Brewers as a team primed for future growth in this area...

 

Teams ranked low who I think have players destined for huge growth includes the Cubs, Angels and Brewers because of the young players they have at Low-A and on the complex right now.

[brewers888]

This is a message board where I thought all points of view were welcome but I guess not.

 

You aren't banned from posting. Nor do I think anything you've posted calls for being banned. And you are still here posting. Post away, just as the rest of us will as well.

 

I appreciate it and am more than ok having a difference of opinions with the majority of posters who are more than respectful.

[brewers888]

Better Montgomery went to that Chicago team.

[pacopete4]

Its not a good thing that I had to put someone on ignore because he was constantly stalking me. All opinions should be welcome not just the pom pom wavers.

 

Oh, that’s definitely not this issue here. You’re oblivious to what really is the issue though I see.

[82brewcrew82]

There is clearly more high upside projection in the system from international efforts than I ever remember. Perez, Quero, Garcia, Medina, Chourio, Rodriguez and Parra all seem to have a shot and some nation recognition. Ernesto Martinez is another guy I like and then you have a bunch of others that are interesting.

[xisxisxis]

I can't imagine ever getting upset about a baseball draft pick unless it's in the top three

How about top 5. I hated the Corey Ray pick. How's that turning out?

[brewcrewdue80]

Once again a player expected to go sooner that milw drafted later. Hope for the best. Seems a similar profile position-wise as Mitchell. Gotta start wondering front office going to go for it by trading Mitchell after this selection. Not going to say absolutely thrilled but can't be upset with what seems a safe pick. Hit the HR with 33 here on risk/reward.

 

Mitchell is an absolute physical specimen with the upside for power to come. Much different profile than a 5'9 outfielder compared on a best case scenario to Brett Gardner.

 

The adjective position profile applies here(sorry I worded that differently and after). Basically speedy CF. I know Mitchell has drool-worthy height for a player.

[Lathund]

I like the Frelick pick. I'll always take hit tool over raw power in a draftee. The latter is more likely to develop over time than the former, so I'd rather have that foundation and floor. Grades out really well both for speed and defense, plays both CF and middle infield.

 

I've also never really understood the aversion some have to drafting "up the middle" guys; of course you go for them, someone who at 18 or 20 is already considered not athletic enough to play anything but the corners is a big risk; All their value comes at the plate, they're players who are only candidates for maybe 2-3 roster spots. If the expectation of their ability to hit is high enough you take them anyway, but any "sure thing" as far as hitting goes gets taken early, like Vaughn or Torkelson (or Hiura...) in recent years. But if you don't have those high picks, you're always selecting between players flawed in different ways. So you go for the upside, the guys with the chance to be 5-tool players, the guys who if they put on more muscle and weight still have the chance to move down the defensive spectrum a step or two and still use their power. Or if the power doesn't develop, still has an MLB role to play. As opposed to guys who must reach their 90th percentile projection to even be rosterable on a 26 or even 40-man roster.

 

The kind of "up the middle" pick I can agree with being questionable is when it's basically all just projection; who haven't really shown they can hit or aren't polished defenders etc; i.e pure athleticism type of guys. Prospcts who have a sky high ceiling if they ever learn to hit enough, which is a very very big if, and who will run a high bust rate. I don't really feel that applies to the recent high picks made like Turang or Mitchell (and now Frelick). Guys with contact skills who get on base, don't strikeout much, plus runners and plus defenders. That's a high floor, and the kind of profile where if they add even average power to their game they're very good players. And that power can come; check Altuves or Betts early power numbers. HR power can come from raw power, or it can be a result of less raw power but making more frequent quality contact. And again, the guys with huge raw power won't be available at this spot if they also have good contact skills.

[Oxy]

I like the Frelick pick. I'll always take hit tool over raw power in a draftee. The latter is more likely to develop over time than the former, so I'd rather have that foundation and floor. Grades out really well both for speed and defense, plays both CF and middle infield.

 

I've also never really understood the aversion some have to drafting "up the middle" guys; of course you go for them, someone who at 18 or 20 is already considered not athletic enough to play anything but the corners is a big risk; All their value comes at the plate, they're players who are only candidates for maybe 2-3 roster spots. If the expectation of their ability to hit is high enough you take them anyway, but any "sure thing" as far as hitting goes gets taken early, like Vaughn or Torkelson (or Hiura...) in recent years. But if you don't have those high picks, you're always selecting between players flawed in different ways. So you go for the upside, the guys with the chance to be 5-tool players, the guys who if they put on more muscle and weight still have the chance to move down the defensive spectrum a step or two and still use their power. Or if the power doesn't develop, still has an MLB role to play. As opposed to guys who must reach their 90th percentile projection to even be rosterable on a 26 or even 40-man roster.

 

The kind of "up the middle" pick I can agree with being questionable is when it's basically all just projection; who haven't really shown they can hit or aren't polished defenders etc; i.e pure athleticism type of guys. Prospcts who have a sky high ceiling if they ever learn to hit enough, which is a very very big if, and who will run a high bust rate. I don't really feel that applies to the recent high picks made like Turang or Mitchell (and now Frelick). Guys with contact skills who get on base, don't strikeout much, plus runners and plus defenders. That's a high floor, and the kind of profile where if they add even average power to their game they're very good players. And that power can come; check Altuves or Betts early power numbers. HR power can come from raw power, or it can be a result of less raw power but making more frequent quality contact. And again, the guys with huge raw power won't be available at this spot if they also have good contact skills.

 

There are a whole bunch of words here so I made them smaller, but I agree with every one of them so I quoted them all. I even bolded the end for emphasis on a point I especially agree with and find vitally important when scouting younger players. Sorry for redundancy.

[umphrey]

I don’t think the draft board fell very well for them. Hard to get excited about an OF with no power. Word is they probably move him to 2B, but it’s still an issue there.