2021-07-09: Reds (Miley) at Brewers (Lauer) [Brewers lose, 2-0]

[titletownking]

I never wanna hear these hacks call another Brewer game again and these umpire belong in jail, and little league ball.

[MrTPlush]

CC should've chewed the ump a new one and gotten thrown out there. That was ridiculous and constantly bad.

 

That ump made a clown show all night, I would have made it a joke with one out to go.

[AZBrewCrew]

Hard to blame the referees when you dont score any runs...but these calls are blatantly incorrect.

[brewcrewdue80]

So far I think Cincy this series has had already 35 balls called strikes. And I may be underselling that.

 

Well looks like 7 today but 4 that I thought were balls apparently placed on the zone by a stitch thread.

[Eye Black]

Hard to blame the referees when you dont score any runs...but these calls are blatantly incorrect.

The problem with that theory is the calls were bad enough tonight that they may have very well impacted the final score.

[JET15]

Please tell me we don't have another YouTube game on our schedule.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Didn't hit, and the few times they did, the Reds made plays. Miley was very sharp. Frustrating, but the Reds were better tonight.

 

It's been a great first half for the Brewers. Getting the next two would be amazing. A split is good. Losing both not a disaster.

[82brewcrew82]

Hard to blame the referees when you dont score any runs...but these calls are blatantly incorrect.

The problem with that theory is the calls were bad enough tonight that they may have very well impacted the final score.

There were some blatantly bad calls at some pretty crucial times though the Reds can probably make the same argument about last nights game.

[Eye Black]

CC should've chewed the ump a new one and gotten thrown out there. That was ridiculous and he has been consistently bad.

In an odd way I would’ve felt better about tonight if he would’ve gotten tossed saying his piece near the end of the game.

[AZBrewCrew]

CC should've chewed the ump a new one and gotten thrown out there. That was ridiculous and he has been consistently bad.

In an odd way I would’ve felt better about tonight if he would’ve gotten tossed saying his piece near the end of the game.

 

I would have been down for an old school Ned Yost 360 spin around meltdown

[Bulldogboy]

Need to win one of the next two. Going into the break up 6 would be very nice work.

[mtrebs]

CC should've chewed the ump a new one and gotten thrown out there. That was ridiculous and he has been consistently bad.

In an odd way I would’ve felt better about tonight if he would’ve gotten tossed saying his piece near the end of the game.

 

Me too. I’m not even really upset about the loss. Miley pitched very well and the Reds made some big plays. There were just too many bad calls that could have impacted the game. Counsell should have gotten into an argument on principle.

[BruisedCrew]

I know the numbers don't bear it out, but man it just feels like we've struggled against lefty starters. Miley having little trouble with us tonight.

 

Are you sure you’re looking at the right data?

 

Overall hitting against LHP and RHP is irrelevant to the question of how the Brewers have done against lefty starters. Those numbers will include against lefty relievers who might be back of the bullpen guys pitching in lopsided games.

 

The relevant information would start with identifying all games in which the Brewers have faced LH SPs and looking at how many runs they score against those starters compared to what RH starters. I’m not sure the Brewers have had more than 10-15 games against LH starters this year in large part because the division teams don’t have many. I’m pretty sure Miley’s start tonight was the first by a Reds lefty in the 11 games the teams have played, and I don’t think the Cubs have had any in their 12 games against the Brewers.

 

If anyone has info on how the Brewers have done against LH starters to refute my impression that they have had trouble against them, I’d like to see it. We do know that they have now been shut out in their last two games against them.

[timpep]

Virtually the same vs left or right handed starters.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=MIL&year=2021

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Can’t get an image to post, but here’s a link to the Brewers batting splits versus starting pitchers through July 8.

 

http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/v29wf

[brewcrewdue80]

I know the numbers don't bear it out, but man it just feels like we've struggled against lefty starters. Miley having little trouble with us tonight.

 

Are you sure you’re looking at the right data?

 

Overall hitting against LHP and RHP is irrelevant to the question of how the Brewers have done against lefty starters. Those numbers will include against lefty relievers who might be back of the bullpen guys pitching in lopsided games.

 

The relevant information would start with identifying all games in which the Brewers have faced LH SPs and looking at how many runs they score against those starters compared to what RH starters. I’m not sure the Brewers have had more than 10-15 games against LH starters this year in large part because the division teams don’t have many. I’m pretty sure Miley’s start tonight was the first by a Reds lefty in the 11 games the teams have played, and I don’t think the Cubs have had any in their 12 games against the Brewers.

 

If anyone has info on how the Brewers have done against LH starters to refute my impression that they have had trouble against them, I’d like to see it. We do know that they have now been shut out in their last two games against them.

 

If I try this. BREF has stats leading in to Brewers Batting Splits. In that you can find vs a starter. Hitting looks very equal to vs RH Starters. but if I take the Runs scored divided by games facing a starter LHP sees 3.44R/GM and RHP sees 4.62R/G and I'm looking at that and the RH Starter runs allowed is completely off as it is higher than RHP overall altogether.

 

So can't really tell off. Just assume the stats vs the Starter being very similar. Runs idk.

[wOOgiE22]

The link below shows the splits against LHP this year. The Brewers have the worst BA against lefties and their OPS is in the bottom half of the league. You can sort by inning to determine how they do against starters. I added innings 1-5 and they were again in the lower half of the league. So the struggles against LHP is correct.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/splits-leaderboards?splitArr=1&splitArrPitch=&position=B&autoPt=false&splitTeams=false&statType=team&statgroup=1&startDate=2021-04-01&endDate=2021-11-01&players=&filter=&groupBy=season&sort=21,1

[brewcrewdue80]

Virtually the same vs left or right handed starters.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=MIL&year=2021

 

But what I'm seeing is a higher amount of PAs and runs scored vs RH Starters than I do on overall RHP. Meanwhile the LH Starters stats are less the vs LHP overall which makes sense vs LH RP.

 

So not fully right.

[rickh150]

Virtually the same vs left or right handed starters.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=MIL&year=2021

 

But what I'm seeing is a higher amount of PAs and runs scored vs RH Starters than I do on overall RHP. Meanwhile the LH Starters stats are less the vs LHP overall which makes sense vs LH RP.

 

So not fully right.

 

 

Seems lefties have caused them more issues over the last month, though.

[BruisedCrew]

Virtually the same vs left or right handed starters.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=MIL&year=2021

 

But what I'm seeing is a higher amount of PAs and runs scored vs RH Starters than I do on overall RHP. Meanwhile the LH Starters stats are less the vs LHP overall which makes sense vs LH RP.

 

So not fully right.

 

The Baseball Reference splits page explains that the lines for LHP starter and RHP starter include all plate appearances for the entire game, and not just those against the starter. So, they don’t really tell you what was done against the starter.

 

I scanned through the box scores and identified 18 games started by LHP, including 2 that were “bullpen games” in which the starter pitched 1 or 2 innings. My quick and dirty calculation says that the starters in these 18 games went a total of 86 IP and allowed 26 R for an ERA of 2.72.

 

In the last 4 starts by LHP (not including Gomber of the Rockies in a bullpen game) the Brewers have scored 2 runs in 26 IP. The pitchers were Miley tonight, Anderson of the Pirates last Sunday, and Caleb Smith of the DBacks twice.

 

I’m sticking by my statement that the Brewers have not done well against LH starters.

[brewcrewdue80]

Virtually the same vs left or right handed starters.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=MIL&year=2021

 

But what I'm seeing is a higher amount of PAs and runs scored vs RH Starters than I do on overall RHP. Meanwhile the LH Starters stats are less the vs LHP overall which makes sense vs LH RP.

 

So not fully right.

 

The Baseball Reference splits page explains that the lines for LHP starter and RHP starter include all plate appearances for the entire game, and not just those against the starter. So, they don’t really tell you what was done against the starter.

 

I scanned through the box scores and identified 18 games started by LHP, including 2 that were “bullpen games” in which the starter pitched 1 or 2 innings. My quick and dirty calculation says that the starters in these 18 games went a total of 86 IP and allowed 26 R for an ERA of 2.72.

 

In the last 4 starts by LHP (not including Gomber of the Rockies in a bullpen game) the Brewers have scored 2 runs in 26 IP. The pitchers were Miley tonight, Anderson of the Pirates last Sunday, and Caleb Smith of the DBacks twice.

 

I’m sticking by my statement that the Brewers have not done well against LH starters.

 

So it's a little recency bias but yes they aren't scoring enough vs LH Starters.

Today's game would put LH Starters at 2.49 ERA vs Brewer hitters. if your numbers are correct.

[BruisedCrew]

I had already included last night’s game as one of the 18 games.

 

Another way to break this down is to ignore the two bullpen game starters because those aren’t really starters. In the other 16 games, the Brewers have scored 0 or 1 runs against the starter in 11 of them, and their overall record in those 16 games is 7-9. So, again, the general observation that the Brewers have had trouble against left handed starters seems to be borne out by the facts. Fortunately, they haven’t faced that many of them.

[Pugger]

Worst announcers in history, crummy homeplate umpire, and trash play by our hitters today.

 

Time to pour bleach in your eyes, stick knives in your ears, and forget this one.

 

I'm glad I didn't see this one. I stuck with Uke and company.

[Pugger]

CC should've chewed the ump a new one and gotten thrown out there. That was ridiculous and constantly bad.

 

That ump made a clown show all night, I would have made it a joke with one out to go.

 

The idiot behind the plate Thursday night was no better.

[Eye Black]