Gallardo is Better Than Bush/Vargas.

[Ennder]

To be honest I bet Gallardo is the 2nd or 3rd best starter on the team with CV being in the mix as well. Capuano is a 4 ERA guy, Suppan is a 4-4.50 ERA guy, Bush is a 4.50ish ERA guy and Vargas is a 4.50-5.00 ERA guy. Both CV and Yo look like they have the stuff to be in that 3.50-4.00 ERA range of a #2/#3 starter with Yo maybe able to put #1 stats.

[Fatter than Joey]

It's ironic to me, there's Suppan, with the big contract, getting hit...while we debate who's spot Gallardo should take to stay in Milwaukee.

 

You are correct to point this out of course -- but I think unless Suppan starts getting lit up in a catastrophic way, he is assured a rotation spot for reasons that have less to do with his performance and more with his paycheck.

[Fatter than Joey]

To be honest I bet Gallardo is the 2nd or 3rd best starter on the team with CV being in the mix as well.

 

I tend to agree and really points to the depth of our SP, and probably some of it should somehow be converted into BP depth.

[sbrylski]

Gallardo looks to be going to pen right away, without going back to AAA...per the new article on Brewers.com:

 

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"I think if we had our druthers, we would rather have [Gallardo] be a starter," Yost said. "But there is some conventional wisdom behind the fact that if we go ahead and keep Gallardo up here and use him as a long [reliever], limit his innings through July and August, if anything happens, we've got a quality starter ready to step in that's in great shape. His innings won't be way up, and he'll be strong and ready to pitch until the very end.

 

"That's just one point of view. We're trying to look at all different avenues -- what's best for him and what's best for us."

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It also sounds like they plan on eventually using him in a starters role for the playoffs, or would at least like that to be an option. I think this is a very smart move. Props to Yost. In the meantime, we just added another Villanueva to the pen. Absolutely excellent. I wouldn't be suprised if we did nothing this year at the deadline, barring injuries. (I also wouldn't be suprised to hear sports radio all over them for standing pat.)

 

We'll see if mixing his role around hurts him, but I really don't think it will. Just an opinion.

[IslandsAC]

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Gallardo looks to be going to pen right away, without going back to AAA...per the new article on Brewers.com:

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Whoops, just posted identical sentiments in a different pitching/Yo thread. So, ditto.

[Brian the Automator]

This is what a lot of us have been clamoring for all along... Great move!

[endaround]

Just hope Yo gets enough innings.

[sbrylski]

Just hope Yo gets enough innings.

 

To me, it sounds like they plan to increase Gallardo's workload/role with the team as the season goes along. He could be starting in September, maybe even the playoffs...

[IslandsAC]

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Just hope Yo gets enough innings.

 

To me, it sounds like they plan to increase Gallardo's workload/role with the team as the season goes along. He could be starting in September, maybe even the playoffs...

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Yeah I don't think we'll have to worry about that. The Brewers have been freakishly healthy this year, especially in the starting pitching staff. Certainly hope it continues, but what a wonderful option waiting in the wings in case it doesn't.

[rluzinski]

The Brewers are positioning themselves to be able to use Yo into September and (hopefully) October. If they limit his innings now, he'll have enough left in the tank to be in the starting rotation later if needed. All his remaining innings will be used up in the majors. Not sure how anymore can argue with this plan.

 

Also, am I the only one who thinks it's premature to declare Yo a 3.5 ERA major league pitcher? I love what I've seen so far but I have a feeling we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Also, am I the only one who thinks it's premature to declare Yo a 3.5 ERA major league pitcher? I love what I've seen so far but I have a feeling we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves. ]

 

He's the staff ace, russ.

[Ennder]

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Both CV and Yo look like they have the stuff to be in that 3.50-4.00 ERA range of a #2/#3 starter with Yo maybe able to put #1 stats

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Since I'm the only one who posted numbers I assume you were talking to me with the 3.50 ERA comment. I agree there is no way to know for sure which is why I said looks like he has the stuff to be a 3.50-4.00 ERA guy instead of flat out claiming he is a 3.50 ERA guy. Both Yo and CV look like they could be a tier better than our 4ish ERA guys if given a shot to prove themselves, doesn't mean they automatically will be better.

[rluzinski]

Since I'm the only one who posted numbers I assume you were talking to me with the 3.50 ERA comment.

 

Not specifically you. I just get the impression that many are already convinced that Yo is the 2nd best starting pitcher on the team. He certainly has that potential but I'm not sure if it's going to be true in 2007. Certainly, the results of his first two starts aren't going to be able to tell us.

[Fatter than Joey]

Just hope Yo gets enough innings.

 

With Vargas/Cappy/Suppan/Bush all with their struggles, I think there will be enough innings.

[rluzinski]

Bush's last 5 starts:

 

30 2/3 IP, 3.23 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 6.5 K/9, 1.8 BB/9

 

Do I think this represents Bush's true talents? Not any more or less than the 5 starts preceding his last 5, when he put this up:

 

31 1/3 IP, 6.03 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 5.7 K/9, 1.8 BB/9

 

Of course, he gave up only 1 HR over the last 5 starts, compared to 6 HRs the previous 5. Conversely, he's actually given up more line drives in the more recent sample (27 vs. 20). Doesn't make sense, huh? That's because the samples are too small. In fact, you can pretty much play this game with any Brewer starter this year:

 [b]2007 ERA, First 5 starts vs. Second 5 starts vs. rest:[/b] [b] FIRST SECOND FINAL TOTAL[/b] Sheets 4.50 3.06 2.04(6) 3.09 Capuano 3.21 5.18 5.00(3) 4.35 Suppan 2.97 4.01 7.43(6) 4.90 Bush 6.23 6.03 3.23(5) 5.17 Vargas 2.08 4.94 5.24(5) 4.29

The results of five starts simply doesn't tell you a whole lot about the underlying talent of a pitcher. If they did, than Suppan and Vargas would still be studs and Sheets could still be replaced by a 4.5 ERA pitcher.

 

EDIT: Updated table through yesterday's start and added # of starts in "final" column.

[rluzinski]

May 5th:

Vargas: 2.89 ERA

Bush: 6.03 ERA

 

July 6th:

Vargas: 4.52 ERA

Bush: 4.86 ERA

 

I'm hoping that Vargas can sustain that ERA and Bush can continue improving his.

[logan82]

The big thing I see with Vargas, and Gallardo for that matter, is they aren't going to give you a lot of innings every time out. Not a big deal for a 5th starter who will get his spot skipped every now and then.

[Ennder]

Last 8 games for Bush...

 

45.2 IP, 4 W's, 3.15 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, .663 OPS, 6.2 IP per start.

[strawbossisevil]

It's too bad Bush struggled so much out of the gate. But it's nice to see that he's really turned it around nicely.

 

As I said before the season began, I think Bush has a better chance to be a solid #2 than any of the other starters in our rotation. Having a top of the rotation of Sheets, Gallardo, Bush next season should be just fine.

[Fatter than Joey]

But it's nice to see that he's really turned it around nicely.

 

Yeah -- The thing I noticed last night -- Is that he can't hit the corners consistently with his fastball -- If he could catch less of the the plate with his strikes, he could be a devastating pitcher.

[litesrn]

That's close, Fatter, to admitting that Bush doesn't suck - you sure you don't want to reconsider?http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[brewmann04]

Well watching the Brewers Closely iush does seem to be the better Pitcher seems to me he has the ability to dominate games unlike Vargas.

I have to Think the Brewers Brain trust have to realize Yo should take over Vargas spot in the Rotation.