Brewers trade for 1B Rowdy Tellez from Blue Jays

[PeaveyFury]

Has had OPS+ years of 153, 95, 140 and 67 so far this year. Definitely has some history of hitting, although inconsistent.

 

Quite possible that Stearns is trying to identify slow-starters to the 21 season as opportunities to buy low. They have to figure they've got a way to help his slugging rebound....

[wibadgers23]

Feels like the Adames trade all over again. Young guy with control who has had success in the past who is now blocked at his position. Hopefully works out as well.

[brewcrewdue80]

As to the option time game log shows Tellez last game for Tor on 18th. So 12 plus 6 today is below 20. Keep him up for the season then option not used correct?

tellez was also optioned on 28 april. he has already spent 20+ days on optional assignment with toronto this year.

 

Ah. I mixed it up. I thought an option wouldn't count if kept under 20days down in minors. But that is service time right? Has to stay over 20days down before service time doesn't accrue.

2020 with no minors games played, was he optioned at all last season?

[MrTPlush]

I think his steamer projection is a pretty likely outcome. .248 average low .300s OBP and a OPS pushing .800.

 

I wouldn't be overly shocked if he ends up similar to Eric Thames with less K's, but a lower OBP.

[StearnsFTW]

I think he could end up being quite good for us. And the control is what Stearns liked the most.

[MrTPlush]

I think he could end up being quite good for us. And the control is what Stearns liked the most.

 

I think he liked the potential for good production most.

 

If control is what he likes most I will sign a lifetime contract today for minimum salary.

[bill hAll Star]

We've got Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta all for 3 more years after this, Hader for 2 more. Yelich forever, obviously.

 

I'm willing to build around the 3 pitchers for as long as we can. The challenge is that next year you've got Cain, Wong, Avi (if you pick up the option), Bradley, etc. all earning a lot. Yelich's bigger $ kicks in next year. Then in 2023 and 2024 you have ballooning arbitration of Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta.

 

So you should be supplementing with guys coming up in your system since we aren't the Yankees and can't go and sign Semien or Story for $20+ million/year to fill needs. I trust Mark to spend a bit but I don't expect to go wild in FA next year.

 

Problem is: we don't have any promising everyday players coming up in our system.

 

So instead, you just go and take guys that are blocked with upside with control from other systems a la Adames and Tellez. Makes sense to me.

[nate82]

We've got Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta all for 3 more years after this, Hader for 2 more. Yelich forever, obviously.

 

I'm willing to build around the 3 pitchers for as long as we can. The challenge is that next year you've got Cain, Wong, Avi (if you pick up the option), Bradley, etc. all earning a lot. Yelich's bigger $ kicks in next year. Then in 2023 and 2024 you have ballooning arbitration of Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta.

 

 

Peralta signed an extension with the Brewers. Peralta doesn't really get expensive unless you count $5m as being expensive which would be in 2024. Both Woodruff and Burnes are going to be making about double to triple that in 2024.

[JohnBriggs12]

Maybe he's a piece they need to get the 1B they really want this year. Lets say it's Aguilar and Miami wants a controllable bat to replace him in their lineup along with a prospect. Brewers had nobody that fit that bill with Vogelbach out.

[bill hAll Star]

We've got Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta all for 3 more years after this, Hader for 2 more. Yelich forever, obviously.

 

I'm willing to build around the 3 pitchers for as long as we can. The challenge is that next year you've got Cain, Wong, Avi (if you pick up the option), Bradley, etc. all earning a lot. Yelich's bigger $ kicks in next year. Then in 2023 and 2024 you have ballooning arbitration of Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta.

 

 

Peralta signed an extension with the Brewers. Peralta doesn't really get expensive unless you count $5m as being expensive which would be in 2024. Both Woodruff and Burnes are going to be making about double to triple that in 2024.

 

Yeah, meant to change that...the options might be but otherwise he's pretty cost-controlled.

[markedman5]

"Problem is: we don't have any promising everyday players coming up in our system."

 

I realize the sample is tiny but my guess is the brewers view Mitchell as a promising everyday player prospect.

[JET15]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, he has wheels!

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=134e6bc4-71d1-4b19-b96e-e9873609d809

 

Also, he really isn't that fat...he is 6'4". He is basically a taller Mike Moustakas, similar speed to him too. People always begging for a giant target at 1B should rejoice.

 

"perfect taget at first base"

http://www.sportsforecaster.com/mlb/player/10333

[bill hAll Star]

"Problem is: we don't have any promising everyday players coming up in our system."

 

I realize the sample is tiny but my guess is the brewers view Mitchell as a promising everyday player prospect.

 

OK, are you ready to slot him in as an everyday MLB contributor prior to 2023?

 

I really didn't mean for this post to get nitpicked away.

 

I do know these things you guys mention but I think the point is fairly obvious that the Brewers have a loaded front-end of their pitching staff, Hader/Williams, and some vet bats all for roughly ~3 years. What was missing was extra help in the lineup and they won't have a ton of money to spend.

[StearnsFTW]

I think he could end up being quite good for us. And the control is what Stearns liked the most.

 

I think he liked the potential for good production most.

 

If control is what he likes most I will sign a lifetime contract today for minimum salary.

 

Ok. Lol.

[clancyphile]

We've got Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta all for 3 more years after this, Hader for 2 more. Yelich forever, obviously.

 

I'm willing to build around the 3 pitchers for as long as we can. The challenge is that next year you've got Cain, Wong, Avi (if you pick up the option), Bradley, etc. all earning a lot. Yelich's bigger $ kicks in next year. Then in 2023 and 2024 you have ballooning arbitration of Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta.

 

So you should be supplementing with guys coming up in your system since we aren't the Yankees and can't go and sign Semien or Story for $20+ million/year to fill needs. I trust Mark to spend a bit but I don't expect to go wild in FA next year.

 

Problem is: we don't have any promising everyday players coming up in our system.

 

So instead, you just go and take guys that are blocked with upside with control from other systems a la Adames and Tellez. Makes sense to me.

 

Could Cooper Hummel help on that front? Cheap, still has more BB than K in AAA, been on a hot streak. Plays both corner OF spots, still can handle catcher, maybe could help in the 1B mix, too.

 

Not to mention... he's already in the system.

[monty57]

"Problem is: we don't have any promising everyday players coming up in our system."

 

I realize the sample is tiny but my guess is the brewers view Mitchell as a promising everyday player prospect.

 

OK, are you ready to slot him in as an everyday MLB contributor prior to 2023?

 

I really didn't mean for this post to get nitpicked away.

 

I do know these things you guys mention but I think the point is fairly obvious that the Brewers have a loaded front-end of their pitching staff, Hader/Williams, and some vet bats all for roughly ~3 years. What was missing was extra help in the lineup and they won't have a ton of money to spend.

 

I think you're spot on.

 

The Brewers won't have much money to spend in the offseason, so luckily they have their roster pretty much set at every position for the next few seasons. Anderson will be replaced next year by someone like Lauer, and we'll have some other starters pushing for a spot in the MLB rotation, with others filling out the bullpen.

 

Meanwhile, on the offensive side, we hope to have Mitchell replacing Cain/JBJ when their contracts are up, but other than that we don't have a lot to bank on. Hopefully Taylor can help make up for the loss of Garcia (who probably won't exercise his part of the option). The additions of Adames and Tellez, along with Urias starting to play up to his potential, mean that we have every other position filled for at least one more season.

 

As it stands right now, we have C (OPS .874), 3B (.726), SS (.930), 2B (.830), RF (.749 Taylor), LF (.792). If Tellez can just be okay and we get anything from Cain/JBJ, we're not in a bad place going into next season. For the rest of this year, put Garcia's .764 in RF and Taylor in CF, and we don't have nearly as bad an offense as people make it out to be.

 

I'm excited to see how Tellez does going forward. The biggest question for me is whether Hiura goes back to AAA or if they are ready to trade him away. He's really not suited to sit the bench, as he's not hitting well, and he doesn't play good defense. At the time of his last demotion, it seemed best to leave him in AAA for the season. Since he's been brought back up... we'll see what the Brewers decide to do. I get the feeling that they're ready to make him part of a trade.

[Outlander]

A little late to the party but I like the move. Don't really think they gave up much and don't really mind if he is a Vogelbach clone. They need somebody in there for the next 6 weeks or so plus however long Vogelbach's rehab is. By that time they can make the decision if Tellez should continue as starter or Vogelbach gets the job back and even send Tellez back down. They both won't be on the roster next year but they can figure that out after the season. If they don't have confidence in either can still make another move by the end of July.

[DHonks]

A little late to the party but I like the move. Don't really think they gave up much and don't really mind if he is a Vogelbach clone. They need somebody in there for the next 6 weeks or so plus however long Vogelbach's rehab is. By that time they can make the decision if Tellez should continue as starter or Vogelbach gets the job back and even send Tellez back down. They both won't be on the roster next year but they can figure that out after the season. If they don't have confidence in either can still make another move by the end of July.

 

Not really clones. From what it sounds like, Tellez has a low strikeout rate.

 

I think there's a good chance they they both are on the team next year. Vogelbach DH/1b, Tellez DH/1b, Hiura 1b/DH/utility OF/2b

[brewers888]

A little late to the party but I like the move. Don't really think they gave up much and don't really mind if he is a Vogelbach clone. They need somebody in there for the next 6 weeks or so plus however long Vogelbach's rehab is. By that time they can make the decision if Tellez should continue as starter or Vogelbach gets the job back and even send Tellez back down. They both won't be on the roster next year but they can figure that out after the season. If they don't have confidence in either can still make another move by the end of July.

 

Not really clones. From what it sounds like, Tellez has a low strikeout rate.

 

I think there's a good chance they they both are on the team next year. Vogelbach DH/1b, Tellez DH/1b, Hiura 1b/DH/utility OF/2b

 

I would bet big money that there is no way both are on the roster next season and it wouldn't surprise me if neither one is. Tellez probably will be given a long leash because we traded assets for him but I'm not expecting much if anything from him. This first base situation is atrocious for a contending team.

[wntrtxn21]

A little late to the party but I like the move. Don't really think they gave up much and don't really mind if he is a Vogelbach clone. They need somebody in there for the next 6 weeks or so plus however long Vogelbach's rehab is. By that time they can make the decision if Tellez should continue as starter or Vogelbach gets the job back and even send Tellez back down. They both won't be on the roster next year but they can figure that out after the season. If they don't have confidence in either can still make another move by the end of July.

 

Not really clones. From what it sounds like, Tellez has a low strikeout rate.

 

I think there's a good chance they they both are on the team next year. Vogelbach DH/1b, Tellez DH/1b, Hiura 1b/DH/utility OF/2b

 

Tellez in 151 PAs this year - 21.9% strikeout rate

Vogelbach in 198 PAs this year - 21.2% strikeout rate

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

A little late to the party but I like the move. Don't really think they gave up much and don't really mind if he is a Vogelbach clone. They need somebody in there for the next 6 weeks or so plus however long Vogelbach's rehab is. By that time they can make the decision if Tellez should continue as starter or Vogelbach gets the job back and even send Tellez back down. They both won't be on the roster next year but they can figure that out after the season. If they don't have confidence in either can still make another move by the end of July.

 

Not really clones. From what it sounds like, Tellez has a low strikeout rate.

 

I think there's a good chance they they both are on the team next year. Vogelbach DH/1b, Tellez DH/1b, Hiura 1b/DH/utility OF/2b

 

I would bet big money that there is no way both are on the roster next season and it wouldn't surprise me if neither one is. Tellez probably will be given a long leash because we traded assets for him but I'm not expecting much if anything from him. This first base situation is atrocious for a contending team.

 

Or, you know ... we could try giving the guy a chance before we write him off as garbage. You do you, though.

[brewers888]

Hopefully Telez proves me wrong but all I see is another first baseman that will add little to nothing to our lineup that is clearly not good enough to compete with the upper echelon teams in the league. As for both him and Vogelbach being on the roster at the same time I just don't see a GM that values versatility over almost all else keeping two out of shape first basemen with no defensive value at all.

[MrTPlush]

I mean steamers projects (and I’m not a projection lover) at like .840 OPS the next three years.

 

Seems like he has potential to be a useful bat and there is a lot of reason to believe that outcome is highly probable.

[brewers888]

I mean steamers projects (and I’m not a projection lover) at like .840 OPS the next three years.

 

Seems like he has potential to be a useful bat and there is a lot of reason to believe that outcome is highly probable.

 

If that turns out to be the case score another one for Stearns but I will believe it when I see it.

[PeaveyFury]

I mean steamers projects (and I’m not a projection lover) at like .840 OPS the next three years.

 

Seems like he has potential to be a useful bat and there is a lot of reason to believe that outcome is highly probable.

 

If that turns out to be the case score another one for Stearns but I will believe it when I see it.

 

I'd think you'd have seen enough scores for Stearns that you'd stop constantly doubting him.