2021 ECF. Bucks vs Hawks: UPDATE - - - BUCKS IN SIX

[worm81]

At least we have the Packers circus to look forward to.

[GAME05]

Don't we swap picks next year?

[Baldkin]

Don't we swap picks next year?

 

Swaps or no pick until 2026 I believe.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think that is correct. They did trade the 2022 first rounder but ended up requiring it. I could be wrong.

[patrickgpe]

you are correct, they did reacquire their 1st next season in the Tucker trade. they traded their 1st this year. NBA rules due make you have a 1st round every other season, so thats the only way the Tucker trade could be executed.

[MrTPlush]

Twitter can hot take all it wants but you can't determine the severity of injury by TV unless the guy's leg snapped in front of you or something. You can twist stuff awkwardly and be fine, or not fine.

 

The team likely knows how bad it is already. If something is torn in there, the doc knew when he got his hands on it. If things are intact, then they need imaging. This could be anywhere from a sore week, to out all of next season. His facial expression, the way it bent, and him walking around just don't say anything other than he "got hurt."

 

I am guessing his year is done though based on Bud's demeanor.

 

“Guys! You can’t judge something based on how it appeared on TV!!”

 

*Let me just go and judge the severity based on the coaches demeanor on TV though*

 

 

Key word there would be guess. And I think I qualified it pretty clearly, but you do you. I am surprised you are still here and not embarrassed by the 50+ win team that is always flat and embarrassing.

 

I mean don't get mad at me the the Bucks have consistently failed in the playoffs, barely got by a crippled Nets team, and looked destined for a 2-2 series tie even with Giannis on the floor and Atlanta not having Trae Young. It is like the Bucks insist on underperforming.

 

Not sure how many guys have hyperextended that badly and are fine any time soon. To say he is done for the remainder of the playoffs is probably a pretty realistic guess. The doctor posted an article further explaining why his season, at minimum, is over.

 

https://www.outkick.com/david-chao-md-giannis-season-likely-is-over/

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm not mad at you. I just find your hyperbolic "this guy sucks, we suck, this is embarrassing" routine tiring.

 

The other teams are trying to win. I don't think most people know that ATL started this season 14-20. They've been a top team since changing coaches. Bucks should've handled them without Young and Jrue/Mids didn't show up. There's no excusing that.

 

But the Bucks were down 10 points and had 19 minutes to play. That is nothing in the NBA. They already looked better to start the half. The outcome of the game was completely in the air. People were doing the exact same "We're done, we suck" in Game 3. ATL wasn't just going to lay down and die. They're good.

 

On the other thing, personally, I think it's irresponsible of an MD to blast out to 175k people "season definitely over" while a guy is literally having his knee examined by his actual MD. All I said was that you can tell next to nothing about severity of an injury via TV and the couple seconds that follow unless he's dead or bones are protruding. It is quite different from me guessing on BF that his season is over, I'm not sure how you equated the two.

 

Practically speaking, I don't think it really matters if Giannis "can" go. He's not James Harden where you can shoot him up and have him shoot jumpers. How is he possibly leaping and cutting? We are all praying for a miracle, but, just doesn't look possible.

[patrickgpe]

I'm fully expecting the worst news today. Since I'm grasping at any silver lining here, and there really isn't one...if Giannis did tear his ACL, the Bucks should consider tanking next year. They own their 1st round pick in 2022.

Also what really isn't good, is that if Giannis is out all of next season, its my belief that the bucks are just a meddling high playoff seed. They are too good to tank, and not goin enough to make traction in the playoffs. With Middleton and Holiday on the court the bucks are a 35-40 win team at least.

[patrickgpe]

I don't think that is correct. They did trade the 2022 first rounder but ended up requiring it. I could be wrong.

 

this the trade,

 

Houston sent Tucker and Rodions Kurucs to the Milwaukee Bucks on Friday for D.J. Augustin, D.J. Wilson and the Bucks’ first-round pick in 2023. Houston also received the right to swap their 2021 second-round pick for Milwaukee’s 2021 second-round pick. Aside from getting Tucker and Kurucs, Milwaukee also re-acquired their 2022 first-round pick from Houston, which it had obtained from Cleveland via a four-team trade earlier this season.

 

 

they get the 1st pick in the 2nd round this season, their own 1st next season back and traded their 1st in 2023.

[JackNicholson1974]

They wont have to tank to be a lottery team in 2022 if they are without Giannis. I will happen on it's own. I don't see how they could purposely tank in 2022 though, beyond just being below average, while not blowing up the team to the extent that it wont be much of a team in 2023. But the NBA salary cap is weird, so what do I know.

[stoutdude04]

I hyperextended my knee a few years back and have a slight tear. I couldn't move laterally for a few months. I never got surgery and it still cripples me from time to time. Obviously I am not a finely tuned athlete or a pro ball player, but I cannot see Giannis doing what he does anymore this year.

[areacodes]

Is no new news so far today a good or bad thing?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

No Giannis + Middleton out for a month or something = "see what we have on the bench/4th overall pick time." It makes me puke we are even discussing this before game 5 of the ECF. This is honestly just awful.

[JackNicholson1974]

yeah the other thing might be, why keep the team together at all if you cant compete again until 2023?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Problem is that I dunno what choice they have. Trading Middleton or Holiday? That really gonna happen? It would not just tick off Giannis, but is someone else taking those contracts on? Maybe, I'm not well versed in NBA money lingo.

 

They could be a lottery team anyway, I'm not sure there. they were 6-5 this year without him I think, but obviously way different when you pick and choose your spots. I'd think knowing he's out a year would help you out a little and you change the offense. I could see lotto team, but in the East I could also see a .500 team, aka exactly what you don't want to be in the NBA.

[adambr2]

They aren't bad enough to tank next year without Giannis. They are probably a low 7/8 seed or just outside looking in team without him.

 

Depending on the severity of the ACL tear and how rehab goes, there is a chance they could try to sneak in next year and possibly get him back sometime during the playoffs.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They aren't bad enough to tank next year without Giannis. They are probably a low 7/8 seed or just outside looking in team without him.

 

Depending on the severity of the ACL tear and how rehab goes, there is a chance they could try to sneak in next year and possibly get him back sometime during the playoffs.

 

Yeah, probably around there, however if there is another significant injury, it changes everything. If you miss Khris for 5 weeks or something, it's bad now, but you still win some games. Anything like that happens and you're right in the discussion for tanking.

[GAME05]

Maybe that's where you trade Middleton for James Wiseman. San Francisco has made him available and he'll probably be pretty good after another year of seasoning.

[adambr2]

They pretty much built this team in the image that Giannis wanted. I don't think you can start making major structural changes without him looking for a ticket out of town, either.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They pretty much built this team in the image that Giannis wanted. I don't think you can start making major structural changes without him looking for a ticket out of town, either.

 

Correct, and that appeasement policy is going to cost them, either now, or down the road. Or both. There is a point where you say goodbye to aging players and Giannis may still be pretty good at the point that Khris isn't. I guess you can hope he matures by then and understands that it happens, but I've thought about that even before this disaster. If something comes up that gives them a chance to get younger and improve, they have to worry about making Giannis mad.

[MrTPlush]

It is somewhat ironic how many are worried (outside of this forum, not just here) about making Giannis mad and making sure he can make the team how he wants. Yet the same fanbase is wanting to kick Aaron Rodgers to the curb because he is a massive diva just because he wants a phone call or two before a move is made.

 

If there is any silver lining you don't need to use your knee much for a free throw so Giannis should have plenty of time to practice hitting the rim.

[CheezWizHed]

[sarcasm]Well, if they are trading anyone, they should check with Aaron Rodgers first![/sarcasm]

 

I can imagine Giannis being upset if KM is traded, but he only played with Holiday this year. But then again... it might depend on who/what comes back too.

 

I think KM and Holiday are tradeable - their contracts aren't out of whack from their value. We essentially traded for Holiday knowing we would have to sign a contract of this size and still gave up quite a bit for him.

 

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It is somewhat ironic how many are worried (outside of this forum, not just here) about making Giannis mad and making sure he can make the team how he wants. Yet the same fanbase is wanting to kick Aaron Rodgers to the curb because he is a massive diva just because he wants a phone call or two before a move is made.

 

Ha! You just beat me to the punch... Although, I don't think cutting a 6th WR or drafting a backup would be the same as trading Holiday or KM. That would be closer to trading Adams or Bahk...

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers is almost 40 and the end is coming anyway. If he had been upset 10 years ago people would be far more desperate for the Packers to make him happy. This is just the latest in a series of rumblings over things that make Aaron upset. People get sick of it.

 

But the other part of this is that frankly, Giannis is a much more likable individual with a better story and very humble beginnings. Not the silverspoon that Rodgers is and convinced the world owes him favors because he had wait a year to play at Cal and diddle on his phone for a bit before getting drafted (gasp) 24th overall.

 

Giannis resonates with people, Rodgers comes across as a bit out of touch. I don't think he's a terrible human being but we are all products of our environment.

 

The leagues are also vastly different. NBA players rule the roost. They can sign an extension and ask for a trade 6 months later and they just get it. Their level of happiness is very significant because they can leave at nearly any point they want. And Giannis chose to be here when he had a clear out.

[GAME05]

Giannis also has five years left. It would probably be a stretch to think that if he hated the changes that he would immediately demand to get out. After all he loved Kidd but still re-signed. If the team was indeed better two years down the road, winning has a way of healing all wounds.

 

But I'm still just waiting to hear back that while it looked ugly it turns out it really wasn't that bad, it all just popped back into place and he'll be ready to go for Game 5. Right? Right? It's only a knee to a 7-footer who jumps for a living, so not a big deal!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

We can dream. I would have guessed that we would know torn ACL by now. My guess, and it's a total guess, just my depressed ramblings...is that he is hurt, and they know he is for sure not playing tomorrow, but they will wait until the last second to say that...and then we'll be day-to-day from there.