JBJ Season Struggles

[brewers888]

Wong (115 wRC+)

Urias (100 wRC+)

Yelich (126 wRC+)

Avisail (106 wRC+)

Omar (147 wRC+)

Adames (110 wRC+)

Vogelbach (106 wRC+)

Taylor (111 wRC+)

 

When everyone is healthy the lineup is fine.

 

Something just doesn't add up here. All these above average players don't lead to the worst BA in baseball, second worst slugging, and the third worst OPS in baseball. Sure we have had injuries but not enough to explain being one of the worst offenses in the league.

[brewers888]

We currently don't have one homegrown position player playing everyday. Until we start drafting and developing better we will continue to pay big money to bad players like Bradley and going through the trash heap for the Petersons of the world.

[sveumrules]

Wong (115 wRC+)

Urias (100 wRC+)

Yelich (126 wRC+)

Avisail (106 wRC+)

Omar (147 wRC+)

Adames (110 wRC+)

Vogelbach (106 wRC+)

Taylor (111 wRC+)

 

When everyone is healthy the lineup is fine.

 

Something just doesn't add up here. All these above average players don't lead to the worst BA in baseball, second worst slugging, and the third worst OPS in baseball. Sure we have had injuries but not enough to explain being one of the worst offenses in the league.

 

Those eight players have taken a combined 1,323 plate appearances, or about 55.2% of the 2,398 position player plate appearances so far.

 

As I noted earlier in the thread the 23.4% of the plate appearances taken by JBJ, Hiura & Shaw combine to drag the overall line below average.

 

Moving forward ZiPS projects the eight players in that lineup for...

 

Wong (110 wRC+), Urias (100 wRC+), Yelich (141 wRC+), Avisail (107 wRC+), Omar (115 wRC+), Adames (99 wRC+), Vogelbach (120 wRC+) and Taylor (95 wRC+). Cain is at 101 wRC+.

 

Assuming health for the players already here plus whatever acquisitions Stearns & company make as the summer progresses it's a pretty easy call for me to take the over on a 89 wRC+ the rest of the way out now that Hiura & Shaw aren't taking any PAs at all & JBJ will be taking a smaller percentage as Tyrone & Lorenzo come off the IL.

[TheEndless7]

Holy smokes, an OBP near 400 with a .149 BA is pretty impressive.

 

I’m pretty sure that Grandal and Muncy are actively trying to avoid putting the ball in play. It’s kind of an extreme version of 3TO that only a handful of guys with elite pitch selection ability can pull off.

 

Maybe that’s the end stage of the analytics revolution if everyone just tries to draw walks because putting the ball in play is considered undesirable. If you have Grandal’s .132 BABIP it certainly makes way more sense to just foul off every strike that the pitcher throws you. Maybe we’ll see an MLB team win a game with zero hits at some point LOL.

 

Sandy Koufax's perfect game in 1965 almost had that happen.

 

The dodgers scored their run on a walk, a sac bunt and a stolen base with an error. And didn't record their first (and only) hit until the seventh.

 

It's a great box score to look at: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN196509090.shtml

 

1-0, no earned runs, 1 total hit 1:43 minute game.

[Austin Tatious]

We currently don't have one homegrown position player playing everyday. Until we start drafting and developing better we will continue to pay big money to bad players like Bradley and going through the trash heap for the Petersons of the world.

 

Bingo and so true. And in the aughts, it used to be that we had developed home grown position players and we signed overpaid pitchers constantly. It’d be nice if we could get development going that is well rounded.

 

We do have some prospects that might be better as a group than people believe, but that is literally years away from playing out and it’s just not proven yet. Mitchell should be rated very highly soon as he’s a true stud. Turang has a very good hit tool. Needs to improve his pop quite a bit, but he can get hits and he’s got a swagger to him. Joe Gray, Korry Howell, and Je’von Ward have erupted but they are very far away. We’ve heard the organization likes Hedbert Perez and Jesus Parra but there’s not a lot for fans to grab onto there yet. There are several catchers with promise and hopefully 1-2 of them ending up good major leaguers in the end.

 

I would love to see them pound on corner infield in future drafts and in the international market.

 

That’s not to say you don’t need more and more pitchers.

[Jopal78]

We currently don't have one homegrown position player playing everyday. Until we start drafting and developing better we will continue to pay big money to bad players like Bradley and going through the trash heap for the Petersons of the world.

 

Funny 10 years ago this comment would be made about drafting and developing pitchers. The Brewers then draft a ton of pitching and advance them to the majors and they’re getting roasted for failing to develop hitters.

[brewers888]

We currently don't have one homegrown position player playing everyday. Until we start drafting and developing better we will continue to pay big money to bad players like Bradley and going through the trash heap for the Petersons of the world.

 

Funny 10 years ago this comment would be made about drafting and developing pitchers. The Brewers then draft a ton of pitching and advance them to the majors and they’re getting roasted for failing to develop hitters.

 

Is there a rule of some kind that a team can only develop one or the other. So now that we have developed some pitching we get a pass on no homegrown position players on the team. Good organizations should be able to draft and develop both pitchers and position players.

[Underachiever]

I know I am probably going to be "OPS+" and "xFIPped" and "Well, Actuallied" to death, but this division is there for the taking. With an average offense the Brewers would have a 5-game lead right now. The pitching has been that good.

[sveumrules]

Is there a rule of some kind that a team can only develop one or the other. So now that we have developed some pitching we get a pass on no homegrown position players on the team. Good organizations should be able to draft and develop both pitchers and position players.

 

The Brewers are still in this process, it takes time.

 

There are a grand total of five position players from the 2016 first round with positive WAR at this point. Kyle Lewis (2.5 WAR, #11), Alex Kiriloff (0.4 WAR, #15), Gavin Lux (3.0 WAR, #20), Will Smith (4.8 WAR, #32) and Dylan Carlson (1.3 WAR, #33).

 

Keston Hiura is one of only three position players with positive WAR from the 2017 first round, the two players with higher WAR, Adam Haseley & Pavin Smith, were off the board when the Brewers selected.

 

There is one position player drafted after Brice Turang in the 2018 first round to make MLB so far, Nico Hoerner (2.2 WAR, #24).

 

Given standard development timelines & where the Brewers have drafted the idea that Stearns & company should have multiple homegrown position players contributing already seems a little unrealistic. Especially with Montgomery whiffing the Ray/Erceg picks, thanks for Burnes (& Feliciano, & who knows maybe even Henry or Hummel someday too) though.

[brewcrewdue80]

We currently don't have one homegrown position player playing everyday. Until we start drafting and developing better we will continue to pay big money to bad players like Bradley and going through the trash heap for the Petersons of the world.

 

Funny 10 years ago this comment would be made about drafting and developing pitchers. The Brewers then draft a ton of pitching and advance them to the majors and they’re getting roasted for failing to develop hitters.

 

Is there a rule of some kind that a team can only develop one or the other. So now that we have developed some pitching we get a pass on no homegrown position players on the team. Good organizations should be able to draft and develop both pitchers and position players.

 

When a 1st rd pick has approximately 50pct chance to even reach the Majors and it drops significantly after, yeah it's going to be tough to home grown on both sides.

Here's the real thought, which has more trade value on deadline deals? Pitching right? Tampa has a loaded system trading pitchers, position players and constant turnover. Milwaukee hasn't reached that pitching trade cycle simply due to injuries to Nelson and Kneble who would have had a much larger trade value 16months prior. Hader still exists for next pitcher trade whose value must be high once again. Peralta is somebody that I wouldnt be surprised having a higher trade value than Woody or Burnes by the time deadline arrives. That future contract is cemented. If we could just get to the finish line with these pitchers to trade being healthy we'd see a much healthier system.