Brewers trade Feyereisen, Rasmussen to Rays for SS Willy Adames, RHP Trevor Richards

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

We're years from that being a successful trade. Any successful examples?

 

That wasn't the question. No one added the caveat that the trade needed to be successful. Phelps was a scrap heap pen arm that they got good innings out of, then flipped when his value was high for several young arms. He was literally an example of what Peavy was saying.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Ron Robinson's Beard

[jerichoholicninja]

I trade a non-elite reliever for an everyday player every day of the week, and twice on Tuesday if I could.

[MrTPlush]

I trade a non-elite reliever for an everyday player every day of the week, and twice on Tuesday if I could.

 

If Adames can OPS .750+ it is pretty hard for this deal to be bad.

[wallus]

We will have the best SS/2nd defensive combo in a very long time.

[Never Outhustled]

I trade a non-elite reliever for an everyday player every day of the week, and twice on Tuesday if I could.

 

Agreed, but what about 2? What if the everyday player is strikeout prone and having an unproductive season.

 

It's a complicated deal.

[Never Outhustled]

We're years from that being a successful trade. Any successful examples?

 

That wasn't the question. No one added the caveat that the trade needed to be successful. Phelps was a scrap heap pen arm that they got good innings out of, then flipped when his value was high for several young arms. He was literally an example of what Peavy was saying.

 

Like I said, I'm sure there's numerous examples, I was just couldn't remember them off the top of my head. Can you think of more?

[rickh150]

Trading with Tampa? Not a good sign...

[patrickgpe]

I think this is clearly stearns admitting he made a mistake getting Urias. Better to admit that it rather put him out there. I don’t like the arms that they lost, but if adames can put up numbers like he did early in his career and be an elite defender, I’m good with this

 

Also if they were going to improve their offense I would have hoped they got a corner infielder, but in stearns we trust

[clancyphile]

Adames has a .293/.364/.500 triple slash away from the Trop and it cost us a position we tend to replace well. I'm not worried about losing two wildcard arms for a SS with control that's flashed a real hit tool at the MLB level (unlike Urias had done prior).

It’s sort of similar to the Yelich acquisition from the standpoint it appeared likely the previous home park had held back some of his production.

 

Very true.

 

I like Adames, I think he will make the team better by shifting Urias to a LH platoon bat at third and as a backup 2B/SS. Honestly, I'd have dealt for him a lot sooner, before it cost us Rasmussen, who I think could be a right-handed Hader.

 

Richards is probably headed for the pen - and maybe the Crew think it's possible to make him a devastatingly good relief option. there are other pitchers forcing their way up as well.

[SRB]

Also if they were going to improve their offense I would have hoped they got a corner infielder, but in stearns we trust

 

Unless I missed it earlier, surprised there hasn't been more speculation that Urias is about to get flipped.

[Never Outhustled]

Also if they were going to improve their offense I would have hoped they got a corner infielder, but in stearns we trust

 

Unless I missed it earlier, surprised there hasn't been more speculation that Urias is about to get flipped.

 

They sure seemed to talk about him as a super utility guy a lot to think there's a pending deal. Then again, that might be why they're trying to sell the idea. Nothing super about him in any role.

 

I doubt there's much of a market for a dime a dozen middle infielder who fits better at 2nd.

[TURBO]

Urias at 3B?

 

He can't make throws from SS, how can anyone think he can make throws from 3B?

 

Arcia had a cannon, Urias doesn't, in fact, his arm strength is surprisingly poor.

 

Agree completely

Literally every one of his throwing errors this year has been an overthrow. There are plenty of negative things that can be said about Urias, but it surprises me that anyone who has watched him play can believe he has some peashooter for an arm.

 

His arm looks weak, no zip on the ball. Nothing close to the bazooka Arcia had. Urias has a 2B arm imo.

 

Since we are being condescending, I'm surprised that anyone who has watched him play can believe he doesn't have a peashooter for an arm.

[TURBO]

Claiming he has a lack of arm strength is simply a false narrative.

 

They eye test tells me differently.

 

Why is it a false narrative, because you disagree?

 

On numerous occasions this season, his arm has looked weak, not nearly as strong as you'd expect a starting MLB SS arm should look. Part of it may be that he just doesn't compare to Arcia when it comes to arm strength, the other part is that his arm just isn't that strong.

[FVBrewerFan]

Luis Urias vs LHP: .315/.364/.465, 122 wRC+, .150 ISO, .354 wOBA

Willy Adames vs RHP: .272/.340/.434, 113 wRC+, .161 ISO, .333 wOBA

 

Platoon is likely IMO

 

This has been ignored, and tells us this could work out very well for the Brewers. Also, people are so in love with Rasmussen because he "throws gas." So what, so does everyone else these days. Throwing a straight fastball is nothing to get excited about.

[sveumrules]

Adames @ Tropicana Field (576 PAs): 219/277/347 (76 wRC+) 31.2 K%

Adames @ Everywhere Else (628 PAs): 291/363/495 (130 wRC+) 28.3 K%

 

Hopefully there will be some upside to getting Willy out of the Trop.

 

Saw he's wearing #27 so maybe there'll be some of that GoGo magic still left in there somewhere.

[owbc]

I trade a non-elite reliever for an everyday player every day of the week, and twice on Tuesday if I could.

 

Agreed, but what about 2? What if the everyday player is strikeout prone and having an unproductive season.

 

It's a complicated deal.

 

Unproductive season? Adames has already put up 1.0 bWAR this year. That’s more value than the Brewers have gotten at SS in 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021 combined.

[Jopal78]

I still think 5+ years of Rasmussen and Feyereisen > 3 years of Adames and Richards. Similar to the Grisham trade, Milwaukee may end up having traded away the best player in the deal. Rasmussen was one of their value picks because of the TJ, and he was already in the majors after being drafted in 2018, upper 90s velo

[SomewhereInTime]

Claiming he has a lack of arm strength is simply a false narrative.

 

They eye test tells me differently.

 

Why is it a false narrative, because you disagree?

 

On numerous occasions this season, his arm has looked weak, not nearly as strong as you'd expect a starting MLB SS arm should look. Part of it may be that he just doesn't compare to Arcia when it comes to arm strength, the other part is that his arm just isn't that strong.

 

Bingo. This is SS. If you are truly attempting to build an elite defense, you need a great arm here. Just because he can make a throwing error when he overthrows the 1B, that does not mean he has a strong arm. A child can throw the ball over the first basemen's head. It just means in addition to having a wet pool noodle attached to his right shoulder, you also don't have any idea where the ball is going when it is released from said wet pool noodle.

[Boomer5]

This nets us a former top prospect with some badly needed pop and he is an upgrade on D over Urias

 

This trade was necessary because the last few moves left us without a SS

[trwi7]

I still think 5+ years of Rasmussen and Feyereisen > 3 years of Adames and Richards. Similar to the Grisham trade, Milwaukee may end up having traded away the best player in the deal. Rasmussen was one of their value picks because of the TJ, and he was already in the majors after being drafted in 2018, upper 90s velo

 

Rasmussen has already had TJ twice and is a reliever. Not too upset about losing him or Feyereisen for that matter. Highly unlikely that the Rays get more than 3 years of production out of either of them.

[pacopete4]

I like the trade. You always hate to give up arms but it’s a move for what looks to be a good shortstop. If Urias can be the super sub / PH threat, fine by me. In the end, I don’t really care who ends up being good, as long as the Brewers end up finding a way to be good. We ha e a strong middle of the field with this move. I’ll say that.

[MrTPlush]

Who cares that he is a former top prospect. Why not just talk about his 1250 PAs of pretty good production as an MLB player? Former top prospects are everywhere...and many suck. That’s something you usually have to mention when you trade for a guy that sucks, but you try to rationalize the upside any way possible. Exactly like the guy we are replacing after barely a month of watching him be the guy. Urias wasn’t a good player and for many it looked pretty obvious from the second the ink dried. A guys prospect status 3-4 years ago is getting pretty irrelevant.

[Eye Black]

Bingo. This is SS. If you are truly attempting to build an elite defense, you need a great arm here. Just because he can make a throwing error when he overthrows the 1B, that does not mean he has a strong arm. A child can throw the ball over the first basemen's head. It just means in addition to having a wet pool noodle attached to his right shoulder, you also don't have any idea where the ball is going when it is released from said wet pool noodle.

If you want a “great” arm then I’ll agree with you that isn’t how I would describe Urias. I was commenting specifically on the fact “poor” and “weak” were being used to describe his arm strength, not arm accuracy or mental acumen/issues. Coming up as a prospect he was consistently graded to have above-average arm strength, and from everything I’ve seen it’s at the very least average arm strength.

 

Also, I wasn’t trying to use the throwing errors as some example of having arm strength, actually the opposite. I was attempting to point out that the throwing errors had nothing to do with a lack of arm strength, but I could’ve done a better job making that point more clear.

 

 

They eye test tells me differently.

 

Why is it a false narrative, because you disagree?

 

On numerous occasions this season, his arm has looked weak, not nearly as strong as you'd expect a starting MLB SS arm should look. Part of it may be that he just doesn't compare to Arcia when it comes to arm strength, the other part is that his arm just isn't that strong.

If we’re comparing Arcia and Urias, then I agree with you that Arcia would win that battle. I am always open to being proven wrong, I guess in this case I just haven’t seen any video evidence to suggest he can’t make at least average strength throws across the diamond (now accuracy is a different question). I wish Baseball Savant would expand their throwing velocity readings to infielders, but that doesn’t appear to be on the horizon, unfortunately.

 

Anyway, at this point we obviously disagree so we can probably leave it at that. I do apologize if I came off as snarky or condescending, I should have dialed down my initial comments a bit because the tone was off the mark (sort of like an Urias throw at times, I guess ).

[Jopal78]

I still think 5+ years of Rasmussen and Feyereisen > 3 years of Adames and Richards. Similar to the Grisham trade, Milwaukee may end up having traded away the best player in the deal. Rasmussen was one of their value picks because of the TJ, and he was already in the majors after being drafted in 2018, upper 90s velo

 

Rasmussen has already had TJ twice and is a reliever. Not too upset about losing him or Feyereisen for that matter. Highly unlikely that the Rays get more than 3 years of production out of either of them.

 

Feyereisen was a waiver claim who they developed and cashed in for major league talent. Good move anyway you cut it except for immediate bullpen depth.

 

Rasmussen however was a well regarded pitching prospect since he was in high school. Sure he’s had 2 TJ procedures, but he’s a healthy power arm now and was exclusively used as a starter in college and the minor leagues. He has the most upside and team control of anyone in the trade.

[Simba2020]

I think Urias has an ok arm. Not great, but not a noodle either. However, he was probably never going to be a major league shortstop long-term. I think there was a reason San Diego played him far more at second than short in the minors. Baseball America always seemed to refer to him as a second basemen.