Brewers trade Feyereisen, Rasmussen to Rays for SS Willy Adames, RHP Trevor Richards

[Lathund]

One way to put this into context:

 

Adames has put up 6-8 WAR (Depending on fWAR or rWAR) in almost exactly 2 full seasons worth of PAs. 6 fWAR is exactly what the Brewers have gotten from the SS position from 2010 until today. Remains to be seen how well he plays going forward ofc, but he's 25 so no reason (other than Andy Haines, depending on your belief in his powers) to think he won't.

 

I'm starting to like this more and more tbh. I still would've liked to have done it while keeping Rasmussen, but trading relievers for everyday players is a good way to go about it.

[bill hAll Star]

Richards is definitely going to be in Milwaukee as well, I'm curious to see if he will be joining the rotation or headed to the pen.

 

Stearns already said bullpen.

[Eye Black]

To be fair, looking at this from the Rays side I would feel pretty underwhelmed with the return.

 

I will be pretty bummed if JP or Drew end up as top relievers there, though.

It feels like Rasmussen will develop into a multi-inning reliever that will thrive in Tampa.

[magnoliacrew]

Here's a situational take... something needed to happen to send a message to the team up and let them know mediocrity would result in consequences. Keston has already been sent down. What's the next move then? Fire Haines? One aspect of this is, in the short term, at least they might be trying to send a message with the timing. Just a thought.

[PeaveyFury]

One way to put this into context:

 

Adames has put up 6-8 WAR (Depending on fWAR or rWAR) in almost exactly 2 full seasons worth of PAs. 6 fWAR is exactly what the Brewers have gotten from the SS position from 2010 until today. Remains to be seen how well he plays going forward ofc, but he's 25 so no reason (other than Andy Haines, depending on your belief in his powers) to think he won't.

 

I'm starting to like this more and more tbh. I still would've liked to have done it while keeping Rasmussen, but trading relievers for everyday players is a good way to go about it.

 

This is really good context. Adames was the top prospect in a perpetually good Rays farm system for I believe three straight years, and second in another.

 

He also plays defense the outstanding was we THOUGHT Arica would....

[Warning Track Power]

One way to put this into context:

 

Adames has put up 6-8 WAR (Depending on fWAR or rWAR) in almost exactly 2 full seasons worth of PAs. 6 fWAR is exactly what the Brewers have gotten from the SS position from 2010 until today. Remains to be seen how well he plays going forward ofc, but he's 25 so no reason (other than Andy Haines, depending on your belief in his powers) to think he won't.

 

I'm starting to like this more and more tbh. I still would've liked to have done it while keeping Rasmussen, but trading relievers for everyday players is a good way to go about it.

Agree with this take. Looking at this trade in a vacuum, it appears to be a solid move. You cannot couple this move with the Urias-Grisham trade. Trading Rasmussen will likely sting, but if Adames continues to produce at the level he previously has, then you are looking at the Brewers SS for the next 7-10 years potentially.

[SRB]

I've never been more baffled than seeing that people are having a negative reaction to this trade. Adames is 25, has been roughly a 3.0 fWAR/season player over his career, and is under team control for several more years. We got him for two average relievers and Tampa Bay threw in a passable back-end SP with upside.

 

Not even close in terms of value. Though I do wonder what the plan is now with both Adames and Urias.

[MoreTrife]

Here's a situational take... something needed to happen to send a message to the team up and let them know mediocrity would result in consequences. Keston has already been sent down. What's the next move then? Fire Haines? One aspect of this is, in the short term, at least they might be trying to send a message with the timing. Just a thought.

 

Common denominator is Haines. Get him out.

[nodakfan17]

Seems like keeping Arcia would've been easier.

That was my first thought as well.

[SRB]

Seems like keeping Arcia would've been easier.

That was my first thought as well.

 

Have you seen Willy Adames's career stats, and Orlando Arcia's career stats?

[Brewcrewin07]

That David Stearns man....easily always the smartest guy in the room...the team is struggling offensively, so they need a bat(s) badly..Stearns says "hold my beer", and what does he do?? Goes out and gets a career .254 hitter, or maybe it is the current .197 BA that he wanted so badly...or perhaps...the .254 OBP. Absolutely stellar! Nothing says "I'll turn this offense around, just you wait", more than going out and getting the big bat of Wily Adames. Well done DS..I can see why so many Brewer fans think you're so great! *whew*

[umphrey]

The only thing I hate about this trade is giving up on Urias. What do we do with him now?

[Jopal78]

Wow, in 40 games from anointing Urias as SS to him being nothing. Devin Williams better show that 2020 wasn’t a flash in the pan or they’re cooked the bullpen to get a shortstop with a career .740 OPS who is about to get expensive.

 

They must really like Weigel and Sobotka because they’re going to need them both. For a team that needs to draft and develop players this deal makes no sense because they traded the younger, cheaper players with more team control.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Jopal78!

[folly412]

The only thing I hate about this trade is giving up on Urias. What do we do with him now?

 

Adam McCalvy

@AdamMcCalvy

2. Urías becomes a utility guy, essentially. Stearns made the case they still like him and think he’s a big part of the future, though it appears that means a more limited role.

[PeaveyFury]

That David Stearns man....easily always the smartest guy in the room...the team is struggling offensively, so they need a bat(s) badly..Stearns says "hold my beer", and what does he do?? Goes out and gets a career .254 hitter, or maybe it is the current .197 BA that he wanted so badly...or perhaps...the .254 OBP. Absolutely stellar! Nothing says "I'll turn this offense around, just you wait", more than going out and getting the big bat of Wily Adames. Well done DS..I can see why so many Brewer fans think you're so great! *whew*

 

It’s really helpful if positional offensive expectations are part of your evaluation.

[bork]

So basically, Adames replaces Urias, but then Urias takes the playing time from Voglebach, Peterson, Robertson, McKinney.

[Eye Black]

Not even close in terms of value.

Baseball Trade Values certainly agrees (and yes I know that was also the case with the Grisham-Urias trade):

 

 

Trade reaction comments from BTV founder John Bitzer:

 

Real-life trade, which is obviously a big overpay for the Rays based on our modeling. Granted, Adames was trending down and the two relievers are trending up, but it’s still a big gap.

 

Note that the Rays have a definite pattern of doing this: they traded Ronaldo Hernandez for two DFA’d relievers, and a while back, Nick Solak for Pete Fairbanks. It sometimes works out for them, and sometime doesn’t. They also have big roster crunch issues, which sometimes forces them to overpay for MLB talent they need.

 

Kudos to the Brewers for taking advantage of the situation.

 

One note we’ll take from this is to study the patterns of relievers the Rays typically target. Eric Longenhagen at Fangraphs is doing the same thing, noting that after the Rays traded a top prospect for Nick Anderson two years ago, he might need to recalibrate the way he rates relievers. Since we’re dependent on those ratings for our model, those types of rating adjustments will help.

 

Some further insight: if we just used the two relievers’ MLB projections, Feyereisen would be at 7.3 and Rasmussen would be at 24.9. But for players with less than two years of MLB time, we blend those numbers with their prospect numbers, which is what drags these two guys down in our model. We do this because it’s proven reliable and sensible, and it allows for the typical adjustments young players need to make.

 

What Tampa appears to be doing with their reliever targets is putting more weight on those MLB-side projections, effectively jumping the market to get the good young ones. So in that light this makes more sense.

[Never Outhustled]

I've never been more baffled than seeing that people are having a negative reaction to this trade. Adames is 25, has been roughly a 3.0 fWAR/season player over his career, and is under team control for several more years. We got him for two average relievers and Tampa Bay threw in a passable back-end SP with upside.

 

Not even close in terms of value. Though I do wonder what the plan is now with both Adames and Urias.

 

He starts arbitration next year, so we do not control him for several more years. He's about to become expensive, which will become a real problem if his production doesn't return.

 

In essence the real reason your baffled is because your stretching the facts.

[Jopal78]

FWIW Tampa Drafted Rasmussen in the first round but he failed his physical due to an elbow injury. I guess it’s kind of a modern day draft and follow

[xisxisxis]

I'm surprised it took until page 5 for someone to post from BTV...

 

Yeah we *WON* another trade...

[JohnBriggs12]

I've never been more baffled than seeing that people are having a negative reaction to this trade. Adames is 25, has been roughly a 3.0 fWAR/season player over his career, and is under team control for several more years. We got him for two average relievers and Tampa Bay threw in a passable back-end SP with upside.

 

Not even close in terms of value. Though I do wonder what the plan is now with both Adames and Urias.

 

I really like the deal and the fact that Stearns didn't waste any time. Adames is a quality shortstop who's started on winning teams. As far as Urias, I don't see him playing another inning in a Brewer uniform. Hope he kills AAA pitching so he'll have some value in a deal later on, and some scout will overlook the fact that he lacks, for the lack of a better term, the cold blooded gene that major league players need to perform routine plays routinely in tense situations in a big league park in front of real fans. In short, Brewer management doesn't trust him, and he made the GM look bad. Those don't sit well.

[BruisedCrew]

The Rays are presumably going to be calling up their top prospect, Wander Franco, and have no need for Adames.

 

Regardless of the value of this trade, it’s a pretty clear concession from Stearns that the Grisham trade did not work out as he expected.

[Patrick425]

Seems like keeping Arcia would've been easier.

That was my first thought as well.

 

Have you seen Willy Adames's career stats, and Orlando Arcia's career stats?

 

Right. Seems like some are way undervaluing Adames and way overvaluing Feyereisen. I understand the frustration with the Grisham return, but that's done with - time to move on. I don't mind Urias at the plate for a middle infielder, but he really has to figure out his throwing "yips" at SS. That is getting pretty frustrating to watch.

[adambr2]

I've never been more baffled than seeing that people are having a negative reaction to this trade. Adames is 25, has been roughly a 3.0 fWAR/season player over his career, and is under team control for several more years. We got him for two average relievers and Tampa Bay threw in a passable back-end SP with upside.

 

Not even close in terms of value. Though I do wonder what the plan is now with both Adames and Urias.

 

He starts arbitration next year, so we do not control him for several more years. He's about to become expensive, which will become a real problem if his production doesn't return.

 

In essence the real reason your baffled is because your stretching the facts.

 

3 years is several more years. How is that inaccurate?

 

It's true that he's going to get more expensive, but it's not like his price is about to skyrocket. He'll probably get what, 3-4M as a first year arby player?

[roadcrew3]

Will be interesting to see how Urias responds to this. I have mentioned in other threads, seems like his mental toughness is lacking. When he makes one error, multiple follow...For some guys, adversity like this brings the best out of them. Not sure that is the case with him though, hope to be proven wrong.