Brewers trade Feyereisen, Rasmussen to Rays for SS Willy Adames, RHP Trevor Richards

[adambr2]

For those that complain that the Brewers don’t sell high on players, seems like they did just that with JP.

 

Might argue they bought low on Adames as well.

 

Not sure they sold high on JP. He took a beating these last two outings. I could agree they bought low on Adames, though. I think we would have loved this acquisition before this season.

 

I could talk myself in liking this trade, I just don't really know what the plan is with Urias now and I am not sure what we are going to do with an already questionable pen. But there's a lot to like about Adames. He is 25, has had a pretty good career so far, was a top 100 prospect and is controllable. Maybe we just felt the value was too good to pass on.

[magnoliacrew]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

[Never Outhustled]

Brewers just chasing their tail right now. Stearns has done some great things, but the senseless Grisham trade continues to absolutely haunt him. Since the deal he's spent huge money on the OF with almost no returns, SS has been a mess, and now it's ruining the bullpen.

 

Also, had we kept Davies, we wouldn't have blown that money on Lindblom.

 

Much of this will be forgotten if Adams hits. He better hit. A lot.

[adambr2]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

 

The Padres absolutely destroyed us in that deal. I know people want to say "let's just wait", but...realistically . That's going to look like a loss now or 3 years from now.

[jonescm128]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

 

I know hindsight is 20/20 but if Stearns just did nothing for the 4 months in 2019 that sent away Aguilar and Grisham/Davies, we could have a nice looking team. Grisham and Aguilar in this lineup sure would be nice.

[beekay414]

No GM is perfect and Stearns had been pretty damn great prior to that deal. We'll be fine going forward.

[bill hAll Star]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

 

It was not a good trade, but that Davies bit in the end might cause Ken to pull a muscle reaching to make a point.

[PeaveyFury]

For those that complain that the Brewers don’t sell high on players, seems like they did just that with JP.

 

Might argue they bought low on Adames as well.

 

Not sure they sold high on JP. He took a beating these last two outings. I could agree they bought low on Adames, though. I think we would have loved this acquisition before this season.

 

I could talk myself in liking this trade, I just don't really know what the plan is with Urias now and I am not sure what we are going to do with an already questionable pen. But there's a lot to like about Adames. He is 25, has had a pretty good career so far, was a top 100 prospect and is controllable. Maybe we just felt the value was too good to pass on.

 

I think evaluating the trade is hard because of the context it’s logically evaluated with, which includes the Urias trade, and legitimately so. But on its own, it seems like a pretty good acquisition at a problematic position historically for the Brewers.

[NievesNoNO]

For those that complain that the Brewers don’t sell high on players, seems like they did just that with JP.

 

Might argue they bought low on Adames as well.

 

 

Agreed. I think Adames has some untapped potential yet. Also, I don't see it as giving up on Urias like some. I think it's possible Shaw just sifts over to 1B, and they improve their IF defense in the process.

[bill hAll Star]

This trade is in some way the opposite of the Grisham trade.

 

Grisham/Adames are the solid MLB commodity with upside. Grisham had proven less, but both guys had some upside, though nobody is expecting superstardom, both could be All Stars if things break right. Adames is still young and has that whole weird "can't hit at the Trop" thing.

 

Urias/Rasmussen are the bag of magic beans. Urias had questions of whether he could hit at the MLB level and was just an OK defender, Rasmussen is (probably) just a reliever with control issues...but if he figures out those control issues he is one of the better relievers in baseball.

Edited May 21, 2021 by bill hAll Star

[roadcrew3]

So are we basically throwing in the towel in on the guy we gave up Grisham for already?

 

I don't mind Adames personally as an acquisition but I'm not a big fan of trading with the Rays. Feels like every trade they ever make ends up being highway robbery in their favor.

 

Traded Grisham for and then Arcia traded away for to free up playing time for...

 

To be fair, if they are throwing in the towel on Urias (I don't think they are but still) I would at least respect the decision. No need to stick with what you got just because the guy you gave up turned out to be pretty good. If you made a mistake and don't believe in Urias upside anymore then fine, recognize it and move on. Don't compound the mistake though and keep playing Urias just to hope he'll make it seem like you didn't get fleeced on that deal.

[Warning Track Power]

 

This thread explains it. Urias is the new UTIL guy for now. It's not a sexy role. It confirms that the trade with SD for Grisham is going to sting at least for a few more seasons. It also frees up Urias to potentially be the replacement to Wong in a season or two at 2B. It also means that Reyes, Peterson and (likely) Robertson are all going to be AAA once Adames gets to Milwaukee.

 

I don't hate this deal. If Adames simply hits his career line (.254/.320/.740, OPS+ 103) and continues to play elite D, this is a win. However, how often have we said in the past year "If he hits to his career norms..."

[jonescm128]

Brewers just chasing their tail right now. Stearns has done some great things, but the senseless Grisham trade continues to absolutely haunt him. Since the deal he's spent huge money on the OF with almost no returns, SS has been a mess, and now it's ruining the bullpen.

 

Also, had we kept Davies, we wouldn't have blown that money on Lindblom.

 

Much of this will be forgotten if Adams hits. He better hit. A lot.

 

Let's bring this full circle and trade for Aguilar at the deadline

[adambr2]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

 

It was not a good trade, but that Davies bit in the end might cause Ken to pull a muscle reaching to make a point.

 

Why? They got a fantastic year out of Davies and then used him to get Yu. Seems like a legitimate point to me. They handled Davies perfectly.

[Patrick425]

I believe Adams already will come in with the 3rd highest year to date WAR of any current position player on the Brewers. May not be saying much, but he also had a 7 WAR through his first 3 seasons. IMHO, Feyereisen will not be anything special going forward. Rasmussen may end up being decent, but overall, I'm in favor of this trade.

[adambr2]

Richards is definitely going to be in Milwaukee as well, I'm curious to see if he will be joining the rotation or headed to the pen.

[bill hAll Star]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

 

It was not a good trade, but that Davies bit in the end might cause Ken to pull a muscle reaching to make a point.

 

Why? They got a fantastic year out of Davies and then used him to get Yu. Seems like a legitimate point to me. They handled Davies perfectly.

 

It was a salary dump trade for the most part. Davies was just an MLB placeholder coming back that the Cubs could maybe flip again. Yes, Davies had a great shortened season...but nobody was placing much value on him in the trade market.

[bill hAll Star]

Richards is definitely going to be in Milwaukee as well, I'm curious to see if he will be joining the rotation or headed to the pen.

 

Stearns already said bullpen.

[folly412]

The good: Selling high on Feyereisen, buying low on Adames. Rasmussen is always going to be a bullpen arm, hasn't been anything special yet. Recognizing issues with lineup and trying to improve now.

 

The bad: Rasmussen is young, and throws gas - future closer potential. Richards is Generic Bullpen Guy. If you make the case that there's not a material difference between Arcia and 2021 Adames, this trade amounts to Feyereisen and Rasmussen for Richards, Weigel, and Sobotka.

 

The ugly: The Grisham trade has been so bad that it's already resulted in two mitigating off-shoot trades, two expensive free agent outfield signings that haven't paid off, and too many at-bats from budget journeymen infielders brought in to be bench players.

 

Not considering sunk costs (as we shouldn't), I do approve of this trade. Though I don't trust Stearns to win a trade with the Rays, they do literally have three top prospect shortstops in AAA, including Wander Franco.

Edited May 21, 2021 by folly412

[KCBrewerfan34]

What a disaster

[Eye Black]

For those that complain that the Brewers don’t sell high on players, seems like they did just that with JP.

 

Might argue they bought low on Adames as well.

 

Not sure they sold high on JP. He took a beating these last two outings. I could agree they bought low on Adames, though. I think we would have loved this acquisition before this season.

 

I could talk myself in liking this trade, I just don't really know what the plan is with Urias now and I am not sure what we are going to do with an already questionable pen. But there's a lot to like about Adames. He is 25, has had a pretty good career so far, was a top 100 prospect and is controllable. Maybe we just felt the value was too good to pass on.

 

I think evaluating the trade is hard because of the context it’s logically evaluated with, which includes the Urias trade, and legitimately so. But on its own, it seems like a pretty good acquisition at a problematic position historically for the Brewers.

If Adames goes on to become a perennial All-Star would that in turn make the Urias trade a success by way of the butterfly effect?

 

In all seriousness, there are things to like (and some to be concerned about) with Adames. Seems like he has some good power, makes hard contact, plays good defense, and has solid speed (75 percentile). Looks like the strikeout rate (36%) and whiff rate have been pretty bad the past two seasons.

 

I also don’t think this spells the end for Urias since he’ll play a bit around the diamond. This probably spells the end of Pablo Reyes and Daniel Robertson for now.

[PeaveyFury]

For those that complain that the Brewers don’t sell high on players, seems like they did just that with JP.

 

Might argue they bought low on Adames as well.

 

 

Agreed. I think Adames has some untapped potential yet. Also, I don't see it as giving up on Urias like some. I think it's possible Shaw just sifts over to 1B, and they improve their IF defense in the process.

 

I’m unable to look myself right now, but how does Urias project as a 3B defensively? Obviously, SS wasn’t working for him at all.

[bork]

Adames would lead the Brewers in Ks this year, more than Bradley and Shaw.

[adambr2]

To be fair, looking at this from the Rays side I would feel pretty underwhelmed with the return.

 

I will be pretty bummed if JP or Drew end up as top relievers there, though.

[djoctagone]

willy adames has one minor league option remaining. trevor richards has already burned his final option this year, but can be sent out on optional assignment again this year.