Brewers trade Feyereisen, Rasmussen to Rays for SS Willy Adames, RHP Trevor Richards

[sveumrules]

Lol. An already questionable bullpen just got worse.

 

Brewers bullpen through 5/21: 113 ERA- | 117 FIP-

Brewers bullpen after 5/21: 70 ERA- | 90 FIP-

 

Somehow the trade improved our offense by around 1.35 runs per game & also improved our bullpen ERA by about 43%.

 

Starting to think Stearns & company are practitioners of the dark arts or something.

 

Is it this enjoyable to find bad hot takes to bump and embarrass folks with them with a touch of wit and sarcasm? Because it seems so lately.

 

Wasn't trying to embarrass anyone, just thought the Brewers bullpen turnaround was pretty miraculous since dealing what were viewed as two long term arms who were already succeeding in high leverage situations (JPF) or had the stuff to do so down the road (Rasmussen) & hadn't seen it mentioned elsewhere.

[adambr2]

Wasn't trying to embarrass anyone, just thought the Brewers bullpen turnaround was pretty miraculous since dealing what were viewed as two long term arms who were already succeeding in high leverage situations (JPF) or had the stuff to do so down the road (Rasmussen) & hadn't seen it mentioned elsewhere.

 

My apologies then for misunderstanding. I agree with that point. I thought they'd miss JP and (eventually) Rasmussen sorely. They haven't. I don't know where they are even finding these guys, but they definitely seem to have a model for their bullpen builds and for the most part it's been very successful.

[sveumrules]

After reaching base all five times he came to the plate yesterday, Adames has now posted a 314/398/578 line with the Brewers, good for a 162 wRC+ which is the 4th highest mark in the NL.

 

His 2.6 WAR ranks 20th & his +2.09 Win Probability Added ranks 11th in the NL, which is pretty crazy considering both are counting stats influenced by opportunity & Willy has only taken the 108th most plate appearances in the NL to this point.

[clancyphile]

Wasn't trying to embarrass anyone, just thought the Brewers bullpen turnaround was pretty miraculous since dealing what were viewed as two long term arms who were already succeeding in high leverage situations (JPF) or had the stuff to do so down the road (Rasmussen) & hadn't seen it mentioned elsewhere.

 

My apologies then for misunderstanding. I agree with that point. I thought they'd miss JP and (eventually) Rasmussen sorely. They haven't. I don't know where they are even finding these guys, but they definitely seem to have a model for their bullpen builds and for the most part it's been very successful.

 

I knew Willy Adames would be very good. Part of me was hoping the Crew could, prior to 2018, deal a package centered around Arcia for him I always knew the price would be high, and Rasmussen being dealt was something that stung a bit - as I felt he could be a right-handed version of the 2018-2019 Josh Hader - and the visions in my head of the two of them filling that role for Williams, an extended Knebel, or a re-signed Jeffress as the closer were quite nice, indeed.

 

But Adames has been an MVP-type talent, and I think the Crew needs to work up an extension sooner, rather than later.

[Outlander]

A lot of arbitration guys coming up, including Adames. Will be interesting to see who they can extend, obviously did a great job locking up Peralta a couple years back for what would have been two of his free agent years.

[PeaveyFury]

It still astounds me that we were able to acquire a dual-threat SS (good defensively and excellent with the bat) for two BP arms, highly projectable though Rasmussen's arm may have been. Absolutely astounding.

[adambr2]

Wasn't trying to embarrass anyone, just thought the Brewers bullpen turnaround was pretty miraculous since dealing what were viewed as two long term arms who were already succeeding in high leverage situations (JPF) or had the stuff to do so down the road (Rasmussen) & hadn't seen it mentioned elsewhere.

 

My apologies then for misunderstanding. I agree with that point. I thought they'd miss JP and (eventually) Rasmussen sorely. They haven't. I don't know where they are even finding these guys, but they definitely seem to have a model for their bullpen builds and for the most part it's been very successful.

 

I knew Willy Adames would be very good. Part of me was hoping the Crew could, prior to 2018, deal a package centered around Arcia for him I always knew the price would be high, and Rasmussen being dealt was something that stung a bit - as I felt he could be a right-handed version of the 2018-2019 Josh Hader - and the visions in my head of the two of them filling that role for Williams, an extended Knebel, or a re-signed Jeffress as the closer were quite nice, indeed.

 

But Adames has been an MVP-type talent, and I think the Crew needs to work up an extension sooner, rather than later.

 

I agree that Adames is exactly the kind of guy they should be looking to extend now. Something like Peralta (in structure, not necessarily in $$) is what I'd be looking for, where we buy out arbitration and a couple years of free agency in the form of a couple team options.

 

Obviously, the interest has to be mutual, and Adames has to be willing to sacrifice a little bit of money in the interests of long-term security. But if he is, I absolutely love these kinds of deals much more than significant decade long investments in outfielders who have already reached their prime.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It still astounds me that we were able to acquire a dual-threat SS (good defensively and excellent with the bat) for two BP arms, highly projectable though Rasmussen's arm may have been. Absolutely astounding.

 

Yeah, it is pretty remarkable. Tampa made out fine, but it's incredible to me THAT was the price for Adames and no other team was in the picture.

[PeaveyFury]

It still astounds me that we were able to acquire a dual-threat SS (good defensively and excellent with the bat) for two BP arms, highly projectable though Rasmussen's arm may have been. Absolutely astounding.

 

Yeah, it is pretty remarkable. Tampa made out fine, but it's incredible to me THAT was the price for Adames and no other team was in the picture.

 

Yeah. I said it in an in-game thread over the weekend, but though this does seem like one of those trades where both sides accomplished what they wanted and got better as a result, us Brewer fans may look back on it as season-changing for a playoff run at the very least, and possibly franchise-changing as well.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

People wanna throw hot takes around willy nilly, they should know that it can come back around to bite them as it should. Without that risk, some posters here would literally run everyone else off. Imagine if this team was actually bad all these years. Yikes. There's obviously something to that pitching lab and the Brewers confidence in being able to manufacture very suitable short stint arms. They've already traded away 3 MLB relievers in season without hesitation. It also should be clear that they're working with more info than we have. Sometimes you just have to sit back and either admire or at least give the benefit of the doubt.

[adambr2]

People wanna throw hot takes around willy nilly, they should know that it can come back around to bite them as it should. Without that risk, some posters here would literally run everyone else off. Imagine if this team was actually bad all these years. Yikes. There's obviously something to that pitching lab and the Brewers confidence in being able to manufacture very suitable short stint arms. They've already traded away 3 MLB relievers in season without hesitation. It also should be clear that they're working with more info than we have. Sometimes you just have to sit back and either admire or at least give the benefit of the doubt.

 

Everyone has bad hot takes. No one is shying away from owning their bad hot takes. The alternative to no hot takes is having no initial reaction to any significant move, whether it be "I love this, this guy is going to be a stud for years,", or "Hate it, gave up way too much". Frankly, that sounds quite boring.

 

Frankly, I have no issue owning my own hot takes and have done so numerous times in the past. What I do have a problem with is being quoted without context. When I say a questionable bullpen just got worse, (which was incorrect, no doubt), and that is the only quote of mine used, when I in fact also said that day that there was a lot to like about Adames and listed numerous things good about him, you would assume that I was simply a reactionary who hated the trade and was wrong about it without that context, would you not?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

That David Stearns man....easily always the smartest guy in the room...the team is struggling offensively, so they need a bat(s) badly..Stearns says "hold my beer", and what does he do?? Goes out and gets a career .254 hitter, or maybe it is the current .197 BA that he wanted so badly...or perhaps...the .254 OBP. Absolutely stellar! Nothing says "I'll turn this offense around, just you wait", more than going out and getting the big bat of Wily Adames. Well done DS..I can see why so many Brewer fans think you're so great! *whew*

 

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[pacopete4]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

 

The Padres absolutely destroyed us in that deal. I know people want to say "let's just wait", but...realistically . That's going to look like a loss now or 3 years from now.

 

I know you don’t want to be called out but I just saw this and it happened to just be your post. I think this is a great time the point out that trades take time to decide winners and losers. Urias looks great in his new role and Lauer has continued to improve and give us some very good outings. Grisham is a good ball player and could’ve helped us, no doubt. But this is far from a win by the Padres. I’m pretty happy with the trade. Urias is one of my favorite Brewers.

[homer]

I think the lesson learned so far is that it's really hard to judge a trade on the day it happens.

[adambr2]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

 

The Padres absolutely destroyed us in that deal. I know people want to say "let's just wait", but...realistically . That's going to look like a loss now or 3 years from now.

 

I know you don’t want to be called out but I just saw this and it happened to just be your post. I think this is a great time the point out that trades take time to decide winners and losers. Urias looks great in his new role and Lauer has continued to improve and give us some very good outings. Grisham is a good ball player and could’ve helped us, no doubt. But this is far from a win by the Padres. I’m pretty happy with the trade. Urias is one of my favorite Brewers.

 

Nah, I don't mind being called out in a vacuum. If I'm wrong I'll own it, happens all the time, in regards to the Adames trade I just felt like it appeared on the surface that I hated the Adames trade when I think it is clear I didn't.

 

On the Grisham trade, no doubt I've been adamant that this was a loss for a long time. And I definitely appear wrong about that at this point. Would still love to have Grisham, but Urias has come around so much since the Adames trade. Lauer certainly looks like a lot more than a throw-in, too. Even if he just settles in as a back end rotation guy, that has value.

 

Early in this season when we were 50 games or so and we were under 500 and things weren't going our way there was a culmination of moves that I perceived to be bad ones in the last 2 years by Stearns (Grisham trade, Sogard signing, Garcia signing, JBJ signing, Yelich extension, etc) that made me quite frustrated with DS.

 

On some of these, I clearly haven't been patient enough. I hope the Yelich extension is the next one I'm wrong about and that he returns to MVP (or at least high end player) form.

[adambr2]

Hiura substituting for Grisham would look pretty fantastic right now....but who woulda known. We all would have hated that at the time.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hiura substituting for Grisham would look pretty fantastic right now....but who woulda known. We all would have hated that at the time.

 

If Stearns would have dealt Hiura after his 2019 season for Urias and Lauer, he would have been drawn and quartered by this fanbase.

[timpep]

This tweet by Ken Rosenthal sums up how bad the Grisham/Davies trade with SD was.

 

 

The Padres absolutely destroyed us in that deal. I know people want to say "let's just wait", but...realistically . That's going to look like a loss now or 3 years from now.

 

I know you don’t want to be called out but I just saw this and it happened to just be your post. I think this is a great time the point out that trades take time to decide winners and losers. Urias looks great in his new role and Lauer has continued to improve and give us some very good outings. Grisham is a good ball player and could’ve helped us, no doubt. But this is far from a win by the Padres. I’m pretty happy with the trade. Urias is one of my favorite Brewers.

 

I'm pumped that Lauer is managing to outperform his peripherals so much but I don't it lasts. Urias has absolutely been a big bright spot for us but I have a hard time seeing how someone can look at that trade objectively and say it's far from a Padres win. Calling someone out as being wrong when they aren't even wrong seems rather... odd.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm pumped that Lauer is managing to outperform his peripherals so much but I don't it lasts. Urias has absolutely been a big bright spot for us but I have a hard time seeing how someone can look at that trade objectively and say it's far from a Padres win. Calling someone out as being wrong when they aren't even wrong seems rather... odd.

 

He's arguing that the winner is "to be determined". Yes, it looked bad for the Brewers for awhile. But that lopsidedness has sense faded considerably as Urias heats up and Lauer continues to look useful.

 

No one here is calling the deal a surefire win for the Brewers, at least not yet. But plenty of said that the Brewers were raked over the coals on the deal. That take doesn't appear to be correct, either.

[PeaveyFury]

The Urias discussion is probably a better fit for the Urias thread if the discussion should continue, FTR.

[DHonks]

What makes me anxious with Lauer is that he doesn’t really have a 2nd plus pitch. It’s just 92-95 mph fastball. His secondary offerings are pretty non-descript. Yet I was totally on-board with Davies, as I felt his success in 2019 was smoke and mirrors with declining velocity

[pacopete4]

I'm pumped that Lauer is managing to outperform his peripherals so much but I don't it lasts. Urias has absolutely been a big bright spot for us but I have a hard time seeing how someone can look at that trade objectively and say it's far from a Padres win. Calling someone out as being wrong when they aren't even wrong seems rather... odd.

 

He's arguing that the winner is "to be determined". Yes, it looked bad for the Brewers for awhile. But that lopsidedness has sense faded considerably as Urias heats up and Lauer continues to look useful.

 

No one here is calling the deal a surefire win for the Brewers, at least not yet. But plenty of said that the Brewers were raked over the coals on the deal. That take doesn't appear to be correct, either.

 

Bingo. I didn’t call him out for being wrong. He still might end up being very right. I didn’t even really call him out personally. Just stated that we should be willing to let things play out before trying to call it. The Brewers are looking better and better as time goes. That’s. Not. Odd.

[roadcrew3]

I knew Willy Adames would be very good. Part of me was hoping the Crew could, prior to 2018, deal a package centered around Arcia for him I always knew the price would be high, and Rasmussen being dealt was something that stung a bit - as I felt he could be a right-handed version of the 2018-2019 Josh Hader - and the visions in my head of the two of them filling that role for Williams, an extended Knebel, or a re-signed Jeffress as the closer were quite nice, indeed.

 

But Adames has been an MVP-type talent, and I think the Crew needs to work up an extension sooner, rather than later.

 

I agree that Adames is exactly the kind of guy they should be looking to extend now. Something like Peralta (in structure, not necessarily in $$) is what I'd be looking for, where we buy out arbitration and a couple years of free agency in the form of a couple team options.

 

Obviously, the interest has to be mutual, and Adames has to be willing to sacrifice a little bit of money in the interests of long-term security. But if he is, I absolutely love these kinds of deals much more than significant decade long investments in outfielders who have already reached their prime.

 

I don't understand how people rip the Yelich extension but then also want to rush to extend a player like Adames. The team extended an MVP caliber player not even a 2 years ago and that deal already looks like it might not be favorable, but now we should try to hurry up and extend a guy who has posted 2 months of good play?? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love what Adames brings to this team and if his play so far as a Brewer is an indication of how he is going to play into the future, then hell, I would love for him to be a Brewer for life. But let's maybe have a little patience here before committing to anything long term. There were similar posts regarding Hiura in 2019 and I think we all are happy that didn't occur.

Edited July 19, 2021 by roadcrew3

[homer]

Adames has been arguably a top five player in all of baseball since joining the Brewers. Remarkable. If he keeps this up and Yelich turns things around forget about it.

[Zad Fnark]

Lauer seems to destroy NL West hitting, so he'll be useful if/when we face the Dodgers in the playoffs.