2021-05-03: Brewers (Houser) at Phillies (Velazquez) [Brewers lose, 4-3; Cain & Yelich return from IL]

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Houser is a clear playoff roster reliever. He is fine as a starter in the regular season.

 

He'd be more fine as a reliever if we had better starting options.

If Lauer can prove to be an average starter and Burnes and Anderson return from the IL in form, then Houser could be an effective bullpen arm.

[roadcrew3]

Houser is a clear playoff roster reliever. He is fine as a starter in the regular season.

 

He'd be more fine as a reliever if we had better starting options.

 

I think a team like Milwaukee will be able to say this every year about the back of the rotation arms.

 

I agree, playoff time I would want him in the pen but he's shown he is capable of going through an order multiple times and that has much more value in the rotation during the regular season.

[wallus]

Houser is a clear playoff roster reliever. He is fine as a starter in the regular season.

 

He'd be more fine as a reliever if we had better starting options.

 

I feel like you said this last time AH started. Currently his ERA is around 3.50.... we could do a lot worse, no?

[trwi7]

Turang is listed at 22.8, Lindblom -2.2, Fulmer 4.5 and Boyd 13.4. Which of those do you think is way off base?

 

Braves need pitching, we need offense and we're getting more overall value. Done deal, right? Or do I need to keep making trades to show that website is garbage?

 

[markedman5]

Houser wasn’t good last year but the year before he had an XFIP of 3.60

 

This year it’s 3.71

 

He’s been mostly fine as a starter.

[MrTPlush]

Turang is listed at 22.8, Lindblom -2.2, Fulmer 4.5 and Boyd 13.4. Which of those do you think is way off base?

 

Braves need pitching, we need offense and we're getting more overall value. Done deal, right? Or do I need to keep making trades to show that website is garbage?

 

 

The site isn’t garbage, but common sense while using it does help take it for what it is worth.

[TURBO]

Turang is listed at 22.8, Lindblom -2.2, Fulmer 4.5 and Boyd 13.4. Which of those do you think is way off base?

 

Braves need pitching, we need offense and we're getting more overall value. Done deal, right? Or do I need to keep making trades to show that website is garbage?

 

 

Gross.

[adambr2]

Everyone seems to be operating under the assumption that because we were good with Yelich and Cain out and now we got them back we're going to go from good to awesome.

 

Unfortunately that's just not necessarily how it works. Our best stretch in '19 was after Yelich broke his kneecap. It's baseball. We'll see what happens. But our current record is no reason to not always be looking for ways to improve.

[trwi7]

Yelich to the Tigers for Miguel Cabrera, Spencer Turnbull and Matt Boyd is also a fair trade.

[markedman5]

Yelich to the Tigers for Miguel Cabrera, Spencer Turnbull and Matt Boyd is also a fair trade.

 

I think you’ve made your point….lol

[wallus]

Yelich to the Tigers for Miguel Cabrera, Spencer Turnbull and Matt Boyd is also a fair trade.

 

Keep going.

[adambr2]

Turang is listed at 22.8, Lindblom -2.2, Fulmer 4.5 and Boyd 13.4. Which of those do you think is way off base?

 

Braves need pitching, we need offense and we're getting more overall value. Done deal, right? Or do I need to keep making trades to show that website is garbage?

 

 

 

What are you trading them for, Acuna?

 

I guess you could have just answered my honest question but way to go the extra mile to show some extreme values to illustrate what everyone already knows, that you do have to apply some common sense to each individual situation and just because a guy has an assigned surplus or negative value doesn't mean they would realistically be traded because each situation is unique.

[82brewcrew82]

Why would you swing at that?

[yourout]

This guy is bringing the cheese.

[trwi7]

Turang is listed at 22.8, Lindblom -2.2, Fulmer 4.5 and Boyd 13.4. Which of those do you think is way off base?

 

Braves need pitching, we need offense and we're getting more overall value. Done deal, right? Or do I need to keep making trades to show that website is garbage?

 

 

 

What are you trading them for, Acuna?

 

I guess you could have just answered my honest question but way to go the extra mile to show some extreme values to illustrate what everyone already knows, that you do have to apply some common sense to each individual situation and just because a guy has an assigned surplus or negative value doesn't mean they would realistically be traded because each situation is unique.

 

I call a website trash. I do a very simple one minute trade using the values from the website I call trash filling needs of both teams within a couple million in value that is clearly one sided to anyone looking at it to illustrate that the website is trash and shouldn't be used in any sort of way to determine any potential trade (like Boyd and Fulmer for Turang and Lindblom) and now you don't like it.

[yourout]

That was ridiculously easy.

[RollieTime]

CC has said they plan out the lineups in advance…..just because Nottingham had a good day doesn’t really change who he is as a player.

 

I’m sure he and Maile will share time until Pina gets back.

 

 

I don't buy this.

 

Tomorrow's lineup is totally rigid and can't be altered based on who might be hot today, who might not be feeling great tomorrow, etc?

 

Not feeling great sure……one replacement level player has a good day…. doubt they are going to give that much weight at all.

 

And this is why our non every day guys are just roster filler and we struggle to have a consistent offense. That’s why so many guys struggle and it’s been a fairly consistent issue the last few seasons outside of Yelich, Cain, Moose, and Grandal.

 

Refusing to play a hot hand is plain dumb. The guy doesn’t need to be an everyday player, but should be playing consistently if he’s hitting the ball well. Once they revert back and go 0-7 over a two game stretch sit him. But deliberately taking them out of the lineup, messing with their routine, and not riding a hot bat truly is bad managing.

[JET15]

Win Expectancy down to 5.6%

 

We can do this

 

Offense, please

[TURBO]

 

And this is why our non every day guys are just roster filler and we struggle to have a consistent offense. That’s why so many guys struggle and it’s been a fairly consistent issue the last few seasons outside of Yelich, Cain, Moose, and Grandal.

 

Refusing to play a hot hand is plain dumb. The guy doesn’t need to be an everyday player, but should be playing consistently if he’s hitting the ball well. Once they revert back and go 0-7 over a two game stretch sit him. But deliberately taking them out of the lineup, messing with their routine, and not riding a hot bat truly is bad managing.

 

agreed 100%.

[adambr2]

I call a website trash. I do a very simple one minute trade using the values from the website I call trash filling needs of both teams within a couple million in value that is clearly one sided to anyone looking at it to illustrate that the website is trash and shouldn't be used in any sort of way to determine any potential trade (like Boyd and Fulmer for Turang and Lindblom) and now you don't like it.

 

There are many imperfections with the website but calling it trash based on an inability to assign accurate values to players with extreme long-term 9 figure contracts is just lazy and nonsensical. If there's a good way to value such players please explain; there just isn't. That's why such players being traded really only happen under extreme circumstances and usually involve less than top prospects and large sums of money being exchanged.

 

Yes, you do have to exercise some degree of common sense and trying to determine fair value for guys like Yelich, Cole, Rendon, Lindor, etc, isn't going to be a productive exercise.

[LouisEly]

Houser is a clear playoff roster reliever. He is fine as a starter in the regular season.

 

He'd be more fine as a reliever if we had better starting options.

 

I feel like you said this last time AH started. Currently his ERA is around 3.50.... we could do a lot worse, no?

He's been saying that for two years, primarily based on a small sample where he had a couple of bad starts when he was being yanked back and forth between AAA and the majors and between starting and the bullpen. And nobody should be judged based on 2020.

 

The reality is he has a very unlucky .325 BABIP as a starter and a very lucky .258 BABIP as a reliever, and normalizing both to a .300 BABIP will show that he's an above average #4/#5 starter. He had a quality start tonight, was one out from a quality start in his last start, and has not given up more than three earned runs in any start this year. No, he's not Woodruff, Burnes, or Peralta; but he's more reliable and durable than Anderson and if you put him on waivers he wouldn't make it past the first team.

[adambr2]

I hardly think I suggested putting Houser on waivers, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. He's a better reliever than starter. That's all I said. I even said he's probably a serviceable back end of the rotation guy.

 

Funny how all the people who are saying "no one should hold 2020 against Houser" were saying "Told you Houser belongs in the rotation" after 2 starts last season and are now quoting his ERA a month into 2021.

[trwi7]

I call a website trash. I do a very simple one minute trade using the values from the website I call trash filling needs of both teams within a couple million in value that is clearly one sided to anyone looking at it to illustrate that the website is trash and shouldn't be used in any sort of way to determine any potential trade (like Boyd and Fulmer for Turang and Lindblom) and now you don't like it.

 

There are many imperfections with the website but calling it trash based on an inability to assign accurate values to players with extreme long-term 9 figure contracts is just lazy and nonsensical. If there's a good way to value such players please explain; there just isn't. That's why such players being traded really only happen under extreme circumstances and usually involve less than top prospects and large sums of money being exchanged.

 

Yes, you do have to exercise some degree of common sense and trying to determine fair value for guys like Yelich, Cole, Rendon, Lindor, etc, isn't going to be a productive exercise.

 

Okay but I also traded our two ace caliber pitchers for a 24 year old 2B and two offensive prospects which the website considered fair value, when it's clearly not. It's not just 9 figure contracts that can give you values that are clearly way off base or "trash" if you will.

 

Another one. Corbin Burnes and Luis Urias for Luis Castillo. Would you do it? It's fair value according to that site.

 

Think we could get Ryan McMahon for Drew Rasmussen or Eric Lauer right now?

[wallus]

Playoff Rotation:

 

1. Big Woo

2. Burnes

3. Anderson/Peralta piggyback

 

Move Houser to the BP.

[roadcrew3]

Need Cain on and Yelich to go deep then delay this