Prospective trade deadline targets?

[PeaveyFury]

All of those names make sense, but cost is the real question.

[adambr2]

I just can't see the Brewers and Cubs ever agreeing on a trade for one of their big 3 or even a guy like Kimbrel. A minor trade, I could see, but a stud? I would think they would opt for any comparable offer, and there would be other offers, to avoid the negative backlash associated from dealing one of their longtime heroes to us. So we'd have to drastically overpay and offer them something they just couldn't say no to, and that just doesn't make sense for us. It's just a little too tricky. I won't say impossible, but highly unlikely.

[Zad Fnark]

Can you "trick" them by using a third party to get that player and then trading with that team?

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Similar in theory to the Packers trading Davonte Adams or Alexander to the Bears to help them win a ship. Ain’t happening.

[Jopal78]

Similar in theory to the Packers trading Davonte Adams or Alexander to the Bears to help them win a ship. Ain’t happening.

 

If the Cubs cannot reach a contract extension agreement with Rizzo, what do they care where they trade him? They take the best offer be it Milwaukee or anywhere else and move on. The alternative is they watch him play out the string on a second rate team then leave as a free agent or trade him a somewhere for less desirable talent.

[Dresden files]

Packers Traded Favre to the Jets instead of the best offer to keep him away from MINN. No way Cubs trade one of their best guys to help us win.

[Jopal78]

Packers Traded Favre to the Jets instead of the best offer to keep him away from MINN. No way Cubs trade one of their best guys to help us win.

 

 

Apples and oranges. The Packers traded Favre before the season started and did not want to have to compete against him in a sport were excellent play from a quarterback is frequently outcome determinative.

 

With Rizzo, the Cubs are already realistically done competing for the playoffs. Moreover Rizzo or any other impending free agent it’s only going to be with a team for 60 games before declaring free agency and most likely going elsewhere. Finally one player isn’t as outcome determinative in baseball as it is in football, in fact there’s a handful of players traded at the deadline very summer who completely flop with their new team

[TURBO]

Rizzo has not been that great the last two seasons now.

 

Is he our answer at the cost he will surely demand?

[adambr2]

Similar in theory to the Packers trading Davonte Adams or Alexander to the Bears to help them win a ship. Ain’t happening.

 

If the Cubs cannot reach a contract extension agreement with Rizzo, what do they care where they trade him? They take the best offer be it Milwaukee or anywhere else and move on. The alternative is they watch him play out the string on a second rate team then leave as a free agent or trade him a somewhere for less desirable talent.

 

Realistically if the Cubs shop Rizzo, they are probably going to get several decent offers that are all pretty close. In a video game you would just take the best offer even if it was from the Brewers, but the real life implications matter. Imagine the backlash from local media, casual fans and season tickets holders if the Brewers had traded Braun in '15 to the Cubs or Cardinals.

 

It's not really worth that kind of headache for the team if all the offers are kind of close anyway, and it's not worth it for the Brewers to offer something head and shoulders above everyone else for a 2 month rental.

[TURBO]

According to Jon Heyman of MLB Network, "some rival teams" believe the Rangers will not trade Joey Gallo before next week's deadline.

 

Gallo is said to be drawing interest from several clubs -- most notably the Padres -- as one of the premier power bats on this year's trade market, but the Rangers do have him under team control through 2022 and might take another shot at signing the 27-year-old slugger to a long-term contract extension. Gallo, a two-time All-Star, has delivered an .893 OPS with 24 home runs and 52 RBI through 89 games this season for Texas.

 

RELATED: San Diego Padres

SOURCE: Jon Heyman on Twitter

Jul 21, 2021, 2:24 PM ET

[endaround]

Similar in theory to the Packers trading Davonte Adams or Alexander to the Bears to help them win a ship. Ain’t happening.

 

If the Cubs cannot reach a contract extension agreement with Rizzo, what do they care where they trade him? They take the best offer be it Milwaukee or anywhere else and move on. The alternative is they watch him play out the string on a second rate team then leave as a free agent or trade him a somewhere for less desirable talent.

 

Realistically if the Cubs shop Rizzo, they are probably going to get several decent offers that are all pretty close. In a video game you would just take the best offer even if it was from the Brewers, but the real life implications matter. Imagine the backlash from local media, casual fans and season tickets holders if the Brewers had traded Braun in '15 to the Cubs or Cardinals.

 

It's not really worth that kind of headache for the team if all the offers are kind of close anyway, and it's not worth it for the Brewers to offer something head and shoulders above everyone else for a 2 month rental.

 

1. The Brewers are not the Cubs rival. The Cardinals are the Cubs rival. Also no one is going to care about where someone plays for two months in a dead season. If Braun was traded in 15 it would have been a one day story until the battle for the #6 wide receiver in training camp supplanted it. Similarly the White Sox are likely playoff bound and the Bears have a new QB who will definitely make things work this time.

 

2. The bigger issue for the Cubs is that unless the Cubs send along salary, no one they have to trade has that much value. Rizzo and Schoop have the same offensive output and one costs $4.5M this season and the other $16.5M.

[brewers888]

Rizzo has not been that great the last two seasons now.

 

Is he our answer at the cost he will surely demand?

 

I don't think so at all and really think we need a righty bat instead of yet another lefty.

[Jopal78]

 

Realistically if the Cubs shop Rizzo, they are probably going to get several decent offers that are all pretty close. In a video game you would just take the best offer even if it was from the Brewers, but the real life implications matter. Imagine the backlash from local media, casual fans and season tickets holders if the Brewers had traded Braun in '15 to the Cubs or Cardinals.

 

It's not really worth that kind of headache for the team if all the offers are kind of close anyway, and it's not worth it for the Brewers to offer something head and shoulders above everyone else for a 2 month rental.

 

Who is going to cancel their season tickets or not go to a game because Rizzo was traded to the Brewers two months before he elects free agency and signs elsewhere.... nobody. Cubs-Homer/Chicago Tribune writer Paul Sullivan has already advocated trading Kris Bryant to the White Sox, thus I doubt there is any backlash from the local media regarding where they ship their rental players.

 

Hypothetically would anyone have really cared in 2012 if the Brewers traded Zack Greinke to the Reds instead of the Angels? They were already dead and buried at 15 games back. Sure it would have sucked having Greinke stick it in their ear the two or three times they'd have to compete against him, but everyone knew he was going to elect free agency and go elsewhere to begin with.

 

Thus, its a preposterous notion, the Cubs would not trade players (who are going to elect free agency in November) to a particular team out of spite or a sense of rivalry, if in fact that team had made the clear cut best offer for said player.

 

I do agree that the Cubs will likely receive multiple attractive offers for Baez, Bryant and Rizzo and most likely any offer by the Brewers will not be the most attractive.

[Dresden files]

Everyone keeps saying it doesnt matter but can anyone give an example of when it didnt matter in the last 20 years. This isnt a video game trading in the division does matter there is a lot of money involved.

 

Any big trades that people can think of between the Cubs and Brewers or Brewers and Cards or Cubs in Cards. If it didnt matter you would think it would happen then.

 

Just because it doesnt matter to you doesnt mean it doesnt matter. I would have been pissed if we traded Greinke to the Cubs or Cards to help them win the World Series

[PeaveyFury]

Just because it doesnt matter to you doesnt mean it doesnt matter.

 

I guess a fair counterpoint would be that just because fans think it matters doesn't mean that front offices do.

[adambr2]

 

Realistically if the Cubs shop Rizzo, they are probably going to get several decent offers that are all pretty close. In a video game you would just take the best offer even if it was from the Brewers, but the real life implications matter. Imagine the backlash from local media, casual fans and season tickets holders if the Brewers had traded Braun in '15 to the Cubs or Cardinals.

 

It's not really worth that kind of headache for the team if all the offers are kind of close anyway, and it's not worth it for the Brewers to offer something head and shoulders above everyone else for a 2 month rental.

 

Thus, its a preposterous notion, the Cubs would not trade players (who are going to elect free agency in November) to a particular team out of spite or a sense of rivalry, if in fact that team had made the clear cut best offer for said player.

 

It's not preposterous, and it's not based out of spite, it's public relations. There's years and years of historical precedent that show that major players being dealt within their division are proportionality far less than the rest of the league. It happens, but they are typically smaller deals. Mid-season blockbusters are almost always between teams not in the same division. There are exceptions, but they are incredibly rare.

[brewers888]

Would you be ok trading Hader if he was a pending free agent over there for anything less than a blockbuster overwhelming return because I sure wouldn’t. If we helped the Indians or Rays win a championship no problem but I would want no part in helping any rival win it all and I’m sure they feel the same way.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Would you be ok trading Hader if he was a pending free agent over there for anything less than a blockbuster overwhelming return because I sure wouldn’t. If we helped the Indians or Rays win a championship no problem but I would want no part in helping any rival win it all and I’m sure they feel the same way.

 

 

I don't care what the team they go to does if the Brewers are out of it.

[adambr2]

Would you be ok trading Hader if he was a pending free agent over there for anything less than a blockbuster overwhelming return because I sure wouldn’t. If we helped the Indians or Rays win a championship no problem but I would want no part in helping any rival win it all and I’m sure they feel the same way.

 

 

I don't care what the team they go to does if the Brewers are out of it.

 

For the record, I agree with you guys on this. If we were rebuilding and the Brewers traded Hader tomorrow, I'd rather him go to the Cardinals for the best possible return than the Blue Jays for a lesser return. But that's just my own personally preference and I'm only saying that's not usually the way it works in reality.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Realistically if the Cubs shop Rizzo, they are probably going to get several decent offers that are all pretty close. In a video game you would just take the best offer even if it was from the Brewers, but the real life implications matter. Imagine the backlash from local media, casual fans and season tickets holders if the Brewers had traded Braun in '15 to the Cubs or Cardinals.

 

It's not really worth that kind of headache for the team if all the offers are kind of close anyway, and it's not worth it for the Brewers to offer something head and shoulders above everyone else for a 2 month rental.

 

1. The Brewers are not the Cubs rival. The Cardinals are the Cubs rival. Also no one is going to care about where someone plays for two months in a dead season. If Braun was traded in 15 it would have been a one day story until the battle for the #6 wide receiver in training camp supplanted it. Similarly the White Sox are likely playoff bound and the Bears have a new QB who will definitely make things work this time.

 

2. The bigger issue for the Cubs is that unless the Cubs send along salary, no one they have to trade has that much value. Rizzo and Schoop have the same offensive output and one costs $4.5M this season and the other $16.5M.

 

Cole Hamels, is that you? Brewers for sure are a rival. You can have more than one.

[adambr2]

I was going to say, the Brewers are absolutely the Cubs' rival. Maybe 2005 you could say otherwise, but things have changed since then. It doesn't mean the Cardinals aren't their older and bigger rival but as the previous poster said, you aren't limited to one. The Dodgers and Giants being rivals doesn't mean the Dodgers and Padres aren't.

[HarveysWBs]

I was going to say, the Brewers are absolutely the Cubs' rival. Maybe 2005 you could say otherwise, but things have changed since then. It doesn't mean the Cardinals aren't their older and bigger rival but as the previous poster said, you aren't limited to one. The Dodgers and Giants being rivals doesn't mean the Dodgers and Padres aren't.

Yeah, Cole Hammels didn’t think it was a rivalry, either. Look what happened to him; he can’t even get a contract.

 

Moral of the story: don’t be Cole Hammels.

[Jopal78]

Everyone keeps saying it doesnt matter but can anyone give an example of when it didnt matter in the last 20 years. This isnt a video game trading in the division does matter there is a lot of money involved.

 

Any big trades that people can think of between the Cubs and Brewers or Brewers and Cards or Cubs in Cards. If it didnt matter you would think it would happen then.

 

Just because it doesnt matter to you doesnt mean it doesnt matter. I would have been pissed if we traded Greinke to the Cubs or Cards to help them win the World Series

 

The Cubs have a bunch of players to trade who are about to reach six years service time and free agency. We’re not talking Lou Brock to the Cardinals.

 

Second, the Brewers have traded with the Cardinals, Pirates, Reds and Cubs at the deadline: David Weathers, Jim Edmonds, Aramis Ramirez, Jonathan Broxton et al. If anything their lack of activity is a by-product of the teams all being competitive at the same time, or not matching up (For example, when the Brewers traded off Lucroy the Cardinals had Molina and the Cubs had Contreras. When the Brewers traded Gomez the Cardinals had Matt Holliday, Grichuk, Piscotty and Heyward. The Cubs had Dexter Fowler in CF)

[Roderick]

Athletic Weekly article trade clickbait -

 

"Therefore, they need to do whatever it takes to improve their lineup. Joey Gallo, Kris Bryant and Jesús Aguilar are all realistic trade targets."

 

Can Gallo play 1B? Don't pay much attention to AL. Since he is controllable, I assume it will take a wheelbarrow of prospects, right?

[PeaveyFury]

I believe 1B/3B was where Gallo played coming up. He's not a 3B anymore, but he graded out well at 1B. They're using him in the OF because he's really, really good out there.