Prospective trade deadline targets?

[SRB]

Over/under on the exact date and time of day that C.J. Cron becomes a Brewer?

[adambr2]

Stearns like most GMs pay prefer controlled players, but he's acquired a ton of rentals. He's certainly not averse to it.

[Devinep]

Over/under on the exact date and time of day that C.J. Cron becomes a Brewer?

 

It makes too much sense

[rickh150]

Relievers will be picked up along the way, if not now... then July.

[reillymcshane]

Over/under on the exact date and time of day that C.J. Cron becomes a Brewer?

 

It makes too much sense

Cron has a .693 OPS outside of Coors.

 

Not saying he wouldn't work - but I'd be wary of Coors inflated performances.

[Devinep]

Over/under on the exact date and time of day that C.J. Cron becomes a Brewer?

 

It makes too much sense

Cron has a .693 OPS outside of Coors.

 

Not saying he wouldn't work - but I'd be wary of Coors inflated performances.

This is true, but he’s been above average by OPS+ every year of his career except for 98 to be year. He also wouldn’t cost a lot and would be a lefty masher between Yelich and Narvaez.

[titletownking]

It’s crazy to see how quickly the Brewers overhauled both there 2nd base and SS positions. Wong and Adames have both been very good to say the least. If only they could do the same for the corner infield spots. Lineup becomes rather good if Stearns is able to get a corner infield bat with a wRC+ north of 105 and he’s got a lot of options this year. I would like to see the Crew also target a couple of relievers from Baltimore, Fry or Scott.

[Eye Black]

If the Brewers somehow traded for both Trey Mancini and Eduardo Escobar...

 

Primary Lineup

2B Wong (L)

1B Mancini ®

LF Yelich (L)

RF Garcia ®

C Narvaez (L)

SS Adames ®

3B Escobar (S)

CF Cain ®

 

Bench: Urias ®, Taylor ®, Piña ®, Bradley (L), keep one of Shaw or Vogelbach (L)

 

That lineup looks like it should be able to be at least league average to me.

[wibadgers23]

If the Brewers somehow traded for both Trey Mancini and Eduardo Escobar...

 

Primary Lineup

2B Wong (L)

1B Mancini ®

LF Yelich (L)

RF Garcia ®

C Narvaez (L)

SS Adames ®

3B Escobar (S)

CF Cain ®

 

Bench: Urias ®, Taylor ®, Piña ®, Bradley (L), keep one of Shaw or Vogelbach (L)

 

That lineup looks like it should be able to be at least league average to me.

 

I'd be a little nervous to see the prospects that would be going out for Mancini and Escobar, but man would that be a nice looking lineup.

 

P.S. You'd think Stearns would be on the phones with these teams right now trying to swing a deal. I mean, what's the point in waiting until the deadline when you know you have major holes to fill at the corner infield spots. It's just a matter of getting these other GM's to pull the trigger early.

[brewmann04]

I am sure DS would prefer to do a deal before the deadline. But he has to find a partner and what positions he might target. If Milner and or Ashby can prove to handle the bullpen spots. I think DS targets a corner Infielder. Then their unknown of if we see #8 return?

[Warning Track Power]

With Shaw out indefinitely and Wong out for a few more weeks, I hope Stearns is at least reaching out to Minnesota to see what it would actually take for Donaldson.

[Jopal78]

With Shaw out indefinitely and Wong out for a few more weeks, I hope Stearns is at least reaching out to Minnesota to see what it would actually take for Donaldson.

 

I’m sure they’d trade him for Peralta or Burnes.

[Warning Track Power]

With Shaw out indefinitely and Wong out for a few more weeks, I hope Stearns is at least reaching out to Minnesota to see what it would actually take for Donaldson.

 

I’m sure they’d trade him for Peralta or Burnes.

Man their opinion of Donaldson is a lot higher than mine

[Jopal78]

 

 

Man their opinion of Donaldson is a lot higher than mine

 

I’m being facetious, but as mentioned in the Donaldson thread, Minnesota has no reason to trade him but for the fact they haven’t played well as a team this year.

 

Donaldson is still productive, plays a premium position and is the only big multi year contract the Twins have. Like every player in MLB, I’m sure he’s available at the right price, but Minnesota probably isn’t motivated to move him because of the above, so that price would then be sky high as a result.

[OldHeidelberg]

Donaldson is 35 and isn’t that productive, the Twins may not have reason to just dump his salary but in a lost season seems exactly the type of player you try to cash in for something. His contract and production seem similar to Braun’s the last few years and the Twins fans don’t have any long term attachment to Donaldson. Risky contract for the Brewers to take on, not sure what it would take but trade website has his value at -12 million

[JosephC]

Looking at his salary and the fact that he's been about a 1.5 WAR per season player over the last three years (when pro-rating 2020 and 2021 to full seasons), I'd put his surplus value at somewhere in the 2-3 million range and the baseballtradevalue site has him at 2 million. Trading for him this early probably only costs the Brewers one attractive lottery ticket type prospect, probably at the tail end of the Brewers top 30 list or a "just missed" on the list.

 

If Escobar continues to struggle, and maintains a sub-.290 OPB through mid-July, then the market for him would likely be non-existent and Arizona would be willing to trade him for organizational filler (nothing) just to clear the salary.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to this deal at all because it could end up being a great buy low situation, but since the beginning of 2020, Escobar has been a .225/.279/.399/.677 hitter and that's not very good.

[JosephC]

I see Mancini being pretty expensive. Throw out the season lost due to cancer, and he's been a pretty solid 2.5 WAR player and his arbitration numbers have been team-favorable. I'd have him as having 26.9 million in surplus value, the baseballtradevalue site has him at 20.7 million. Mitchell OR Turang would not be an unreasonable ask at all. Take those guys off the board and then it's probably something like Ashby + Feliciano + Carlos Rodriguez. Has posted a .287/.360/.521/.881 line over his last 930 plate appearances. Very good .833 OPS this season with all the pitchers cheating. Definitely not going to come cheap.

[Jopal78]

Donaldson is 35 and isn’t that productive, the Twins may not have reason to just dump his salary but in a lost season seems exactly the type of player you try to cash in for something. His contract and production seem similar to Braun’s the last few years and the Twins fans don’t have any long term attachment to Donaldson. Risky contract for the Brewers to take on, not sure what it would take but trade website has his value at -12 million

 

You can't have it both ways.

 

1. If Donaldson "isn't that productive" where the Twins want to dump his contract, then why would the Brewers want a player who "isn't that productive" in the first place?

 

2. If Donaldson is productive or useful, why then would the Twins want to trade him away, unless there was a significant return coming back? The Twins aren't going into a rebuild,

and even with Donaldson their total payroll is 16th out of 30.

[wibadgers23]

I am fairly comfortable with Urias at 3B going forward so if I had to choose, I'd rather target a legit 1B in a trade. Go after Mancini, Aguilar, Carlos Santana, etc and I'd be happy.

[OldHeidelberg]

You can't have it both ways.

 

1. If Donaldson "isn't that productive" where the Twins want to dump his contract, then why would the Brewers want a player who "isn't that productive" in the first place?

 

2. If Donaldson is productive or useful, why then would the Twins want to trade him away, unless there was a significant return coming back? The Twins aren't going into a rebuild,

and even with Donaldson their total payroll is 16th out of 30.

 

Sorry, I can see where my comment you quoted may not have come off the way I intended, I should have put emphasis on THAT and quoted your previous post for context. I would love to have him but he has a ton of money left on his deal and is on pace for about 2.4 WAR this season. And it looks like he missed a portion of last year? The Twins were probably looking at his deal like we did with Cain, they knew the latter half of the deal would not look so great but were gambling on a WS run in the first couple of years. Remember all the hand-wringing here about not getting out from under Braun's deal when we had a chance? I guess the Twins are not as salary constrained as the Brewers but if I was them I wouldn't mind spending that money elsewhere over the next couple of season. Maybe the Twins could buy some prospects by sending some money back I just don't see Donaldson having much value without that and is probably too expensive and old for the Brewers liking. I don't have any insight into how the Twins view him though, just looked at stats and salary this morning.

[Jopal78]

I am fairly comfortable with Urias at 3B going forward so if I had to choose, I'd rather target a legit 1B in a trade. Go after Mancini, Aguilar, Carlos Santana, etc and I'd be happy.

 

The problem with those folks are that Mancini and Aguilar are both good and controllable through 2022 so the Orioles and Marlins would demand a quality return. Santana is also under contract next year for 10 million, plus the Royals have decent pitching and are still on the periphery of the race and may sell

[Warning Track Power]

 

 

Man their opinion of Donaldson is a lot higher than mine

 

I’m being facetious, but as mentioned in the Donaldson thread, Minnesota has no reason to trade him but for the fact they haven’t played well as a team this year.

 

Donaldson is still productive, plays a premium position and is the only big multi year contract the Twins have. Like every player in MLB, I’m sure he’s available at the right price, but Minnesota probably isn’t motivated to move him because of the above, so that price would then be sky high as a result.

Totally understand you were being facetious.

 

My larger point is that he certainly has to be available. Twins are 24-37 and 13 games out of first and 11 games out of the Wild Card. If they don't make a move in the next 10 days, I would assume the sell off would begin. While Donaldson is still productive and plays a premium position as you indicate, they have aren't currently set up for long term success with older vets like Donaldson, Cruz, Pineda, Simmons, Happ, Shoemaker, and Colome comprising a good portion of their roster. Sure they have Buxton, Kepler, Kirilloff, but a soft reboot might be a smarter play than keeping the band together.

[JosephC]

I am fairly comfortable with Urias at 3B going forward so if I had to choose, I'd rather target a legit 1B in a trade. Go after Mancini, Aguilar, Carlos Santana, etc and I'd be happy.

 

The problem with those folks are that Mancini and Aguilar are both good and controllable through 2022 so the Orioles and Marlins would demand a quality return. Santana is also under contract next year for 10 million, plus the Royals have decent pitching and are still on the periphery of the race and may sell

 

I don't see Aguilar as carrying nearly the same price-tag as Mancini. Cranking the 3 year numbers on Aguilar, and his average annual WAR comes out more than 1 win less than Mancini. I'd put Aguilar's surplus value at +9.3 million, the BaseballTradeValues site has him at a puny +4.3 million. Could be a pretty affordable add IMO. A package as low as Carlos Rodriguez plus a lottery ticket wouldn't be a ridiculous offer IMO.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Would love Aguilar back in the fold for a reasonable package. Can see us using Turang as a major trade chip for an impact bat as well with Adames under control til 2025 and Urias starting to look more competent at the plate. Could Hoskins be feasible?

[Rock hard Brouhard]

Due to the love of the acquisition of middle infielders and our love of playing some of them out of position, We could go bargain bin shopping for Johnathan Schoop. The 6’1 247 lb slugger now plays 1st and looks to be better than most of our first baseman this year. Plus he could be 5th or 6th on the depth chart to play second base.