2021 Miscellaneous NFL News

[JimH5]

Britt Reid was charged today with felony DWI in the crash that left a 5 year old with permanent brain damage. His BAC was .113 roughly two hours after he drove his SUV into the parked cars. Estimated speed was 83 mph.

 

Left unanswered is whether anyone else employed by the Kansas City team knew he was driving while intoxicated, or if they tried to intervene. That is likely to come up at trial.

 

He faces up to 7 years in prison, if convicted.

 

To this point, the child's family has had to tap into the Go Fund Me money raised on their behalf. The team hasn't paid any expenses, and while they have no legal obligation (Reid would be held responsible, if convicted), there should be some public pressure for them to do so.

 

To the lawyers in the BF.net community..wouldn't the team be subject to a civil suit if they knew Reid was drinking on their premises?

[nate82]

Britt Reid was charged today with felony DWI in the crash that left a 5 year old with permanent brain damage. His BAC was .113 roughly two hours after he drove his SUV into the parked cars. Estimated speed was 83 mph.

 

Left unanswered is whether anyone else employed by the Kansas City team knew he was driving while intoxicated, or if they tried to intervene. That is likely to come up at trial.

 

He faces up to 7 years in prison, if convicted.

 

To this point, the child's family has had to tap into the Go Fund Me money raised on their behalf. The team hasn't paid any expenses, and while they have no legal obligation (Reid would be held responsible, if convicted), there should be some public pressure for them to do so.

 

To the lawyers in the BF.net community..wouldn't the team be subject to a civil suit if they knew Reid was drinking on their premises?

 

I believe the team would only be responsible if they were supplying the alcohol.

 

Civil wise they could be sued for that as you don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew. Definitely not criminal negligence but could sue the team for being negligent and the team would more than likely settle before it even goes to court.

[HiAndTight]

Britt Reid was charged today with felony DWI in the crash that left a 5 year old with permanent brain damage. His BAC was .113 roughly two hours after he drove his SUV into the parked cars. Estimated speed was 83 mph.

 

Left unanswered is whether anyone else employed by the Kansas City team knew he was driving while intoxicated, or if they tried to intervene. That is likely to come up at trial.

 

He faces up to 7 years in prison, if convicted.

 

To this point, the child's family has had to tap into the Go Fund Me money raised on their behalf. The team hasn't paid any expenses, and while they have no legal obligation (Reid would be held responsible, if convicted), there should be some public pressure for them to do so.

 

To the lawyers in the BF.net community..wouldn't the team be subject to a civil suit if they knew Reid was drinking on their premises?

 

I believe the team would only be responsible if they were supplying the alcohol.

 

Civil wise they could be sued for that as you don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew. Definitely not criminal negligence but could sue the team for being negligent and the team would more than likely settle before it even goes to court.

 

There are two faces of the Chiefs...Mahomes, the obvious.

And Andy Reid, one of the most beloved people in the NFL.

 

I know them paying for medical bills can possibly be viewed as an admission of guilt, but still seems like something they should be doing.

 

That so easily could have been me...at 21 or 22. Having a few beers and driving, but after everything he's gone through, you'd think he'd have learned his lesson. He's already gone to jail for selling drugs and put a gun to the head of another motorist during a road rage incident.

 

I am curious though...we isn't CTE used to explain away Britt Reid's actions? He played Football for a long time. Is he responsible for his actions?

[adambr2]

Britt Reid was charged today with felony DWI in the crash that left a 5 year old with permanent brain damage. His BAC was .113 roughly two hours after he drove his SUV into the parked cars. Estimated speed was 83 mph.

 

Left unanswered is whether anyone else employed by the Kansas City team knew he was driving while intoxicated, or if they tried to intervene. That is likely to come up at trial.

 

He faces up to 7 years in prison, if convicted.

 

To this point, the child's family has had to tap into the Go Fund Me money raised on their behalf. The team hasn't paid any expenses, and while they have no legal obligation (Reid would be held responsible, if convicted), there should be some public pressure for them to do so.

 

To the lawyers in the BF.net community..wouldn't the team be subject to a civil suit if they knew Reid was drinking on their premises?

 

I believe the team would only be responsible if they were supplying the alcohol.

 

Civil wise they could be sued for that as you don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew. Definitely not criminal negligence but could sue the team for being negligent and the team would more than likely settle before it even goes to court.

 

There are two faces of the Chiefs...Mahomes, the obvious.

And Andy Reid, one of the most beloved people in the NFL.

 

I know them paying for medical bills can possibly be viewed as an admission of guilt, but still seems like something they should be doing.

 

That so easily could have been me...at 21 or 22. Having a few beers and driving, but after everything he's gone through, you'd think he'd have learned his lesson. He's already gone to jail for selling drugs and put a gun to the head of another motorist during a road rage incident.

 

I am curious though...we isn't CTE used to explain away Britt Reid's actions? He played Football for a long time. Is he responsible for his actions?

 

Very good point. Can Reid claim that brain injuries from playing football led to his actions?

 

If we are going to remove culpability from a guy who murdered 6 people, I'd like to know where we are going to draw the line. I'm sure CTE can cause many criminal actions that aren't just limited to killing. Talk about opening Pandora's box.

[JimH5]

There's a difference between excusing someone's actions and explaining how they came to producing them.

 

Reid could be both guilty of the felony he was charged with and challenged with living with a diseased brain. The US prison population has a much higher rate of people with a history of Traumatic Brain Injury than does the general public.

[adambr2]

There's a difference between excusing someone's actions and explaining how they came to producing them.

 

Reid could be both guilty of the felony he was charged with and challenged with living with a diseased brain. The US prison population has a much higher rate of people with a history of Traumatic Brain Injury than does the general public.

 

Ok,but you said earlier that free will does not apply to those with a brain disorder. So are you suggesting that we lock up people that do not in fact have control over their actions?

 

I'm just trying to reconcile you saying that people with a brain disorder are simply at the mercy of that illness and lacking in an ability to make their own decisions, and implying in this post that you are nevertheless not excusing their actions.

[JimH5]

I'm suggesting that having a damaged or diseased brain might impact the freedom and ability one has to exercise what I believe to be is their will.

 

For example, Muhammad Ali couldn't will himself to control his motor functions and speech because of the Parkinson's disease within his brain.

 

Since the brain houses our decision making, mood, impulse control etc., it seems understandable that people with damage to that part of their brains will sometimes fail to make good decisions, control their impulses, etc. And sometimes those bad decisions result in crimes that are tried in courts.

 

Very late in life, AWA legend Verne Gagne was living in the memory care unit of a nursing home. He had Alzheimer's disease. He got into an altercation with another Alzheimer's patient that left the other man with injuries, from which he later died. Was Gagne acting on his own free will?

[nodakfan17]

I don’t believe Britt Reid played football at Temple. Rather, I think he was a student assistant for the football team while his dad was head coach of the Eagles. I’m not sure he could claim CTE.

 

Andy Reid seems like a decent guy, but boy have his sons gotten into trouble. It makes me question what type of parent he’s been. One? OK, every family has a black sheep. But two?

[JimH5]

I don’t believe Britt Reid played football at Temple. Rather, I think he was a student assistant for the football team while his dad was head coach of the Eagles. I’m not sure he could claim CTE.

 

Andy Reid seems like a decent guy, but boy have his sons gotten into trouble. It makes me question what type of parent he’s been. One? OK, every family has a black sheep. But two?

 

CTE has been diagnosed in a few guys who only played through high school, so it's not out of the question. Though currently, CTE can only be diagnosed after death, so I doubt the courts would accept any claim that he has it. And being part of the football brotherhood, he might be reluctant to go against the family business (figuratively AND literally). Football insiders almost never blame football for anything bad. They're very loyal to the game.

 

I have a pretty exhaustive (some say exhausting) years long screed on the BF political message board about football, so I don't want to hijack this thread with the same stuff that can be found there. I'll be happy to engage over there and will leave this one to typical NFL stuff--with the understanding that I'll pop back over and stir up trouble every once in awhile.

[adambr2]

I'm suggesting that having a damaged or diseased brain might impact the freedom and ability one has to exercise what I believe to be is their will.

 

For example, Muhammad Ali couldn't will himself to control his motor functions and speech because of the Parkinson's disease within his brain.

 

Since the brain houses our decision making, mood, impulse control etc., it seems understandable that people with damage to that part of their brains will sometimes fail to make good decisions, control their impulses, etc. And sometimes those bad decisions result in crimes that are tried in courts.

 

Very late in life, AWA legend Verne Gagne was living in the memory care unit of a nursing home. He had Alzheimer's disease. He got into an altercation with another Alzheimer's patient that left the other man with injuries, from which he later died. Was Gagne acting on his own free will?

 

I don't know. That is for people smarter than me to figure out on a case by case basis. It would not surprise me if in some cases it can be scientifically hypothesized that they were not.

 

I just think it's a slippery slope to assume that in all cases where TBI is a factor that the individual did not control their actions. I think there's a difference between something making an individual more prone to a certain action than making an individual unable to control their actions.

[adambr2]

I don’t believe Britt Reid played football at Temple. Rather, I think he was a student assistant for the football team while his dad was head coach of the Eagles. I’m not sure he could claim CTE.

 

Andy Reid seems like a decent guy, but boy have his sons gotten into trouble. It makes me question what type of parent he’s been. One? OK, every family has a black sheep. But two?

 

I think there's an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence that suggests that Andy Reid is a deadbeat father who has always prioritized football over his family.

[pacopete4]

Man. We sure love to judge others. I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence that Andy is a bad father or person for that matter. His sons actions are tragic and I’m sure it’s horrible for the Reid family to be going through on top of the family that was on the other side of this selfish mistake.

[adambr2]

Man. We sure love to judge others. I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence that Andy is a bad father or person for that matter. His sons actions are tragic and I’m sure it’s horrible for the Reid family to be going through on top of the family that was on the other side of this selfish mistake.

 

Does "absentee" sound better? I guess deadbeat does sound awfully harsh.

 

I never said Reid is a bad person. If you haven't seen evidence that he's an absentee father who has prioritized football over his kids, I don't know what you'd have to see. He's had one son dead of an OD and another who nearly did and now brain damaged a little girl. Andy's own home was being used as a drug den before his sons wound up in prison with all kinds of prescription and illegal drugs and guns found. Does this sound like someone who knew what is going on with his kids?

 

Maybe he's a great present father whose sons went astray for completely different reasons. I just think the evidence probably suggests otherwise.

[HiAndTight]

I'm suggesting that having a damaged or diseased brain might impact the freedom and ability one has to exercise what I believe to be is their will.

 

For example, Muhammad Ali couldn't will himself to control his motor functions and speech because of the Parkinson's disease within his brain.

 

Since the brain houses our decision making, mood, impulse control etc., it seems understandable that people with damage to that part of their brains will sometimes fail to make good decisions, control their impulses, etc. And sometimes those bad decisions result in crimes that are tried in courts.

 

Very late in life, AWA legend Verne Gagne was living in the memory care unit of a nursing home. He had Alzheimer's disease. He got into an altercation with another Alzheimer's patient that left the other man with injuries, from which he later died. Was Gagne acting on his own free will?

 

I don't know. That is for people smarter than me to figure out on a case by case basis. It would not surprise me if in some cases it can be scientifically hypothesized that they were not.

 

I just think it's a slippery slope to assume that in all cases where TBI is a factor that the individual did not control their actions. I think there's a difference between something making an individual more prone to a certain action than making an individual unable to control their actions.

 

But even if you accept that CTE has a significant impact on impulse control...which is seems as though there is plenty of evidence to support, this was a case of premdeditated murder.

 

I said I could understand(again, not justify, but understand) if he just lost his temper with the Doctor and beat the hell out of him and he died. That's not what he did. He went BACK to the Doctor after getting a gun, killed him...killed the wife, then three young children.

[HiAndTight]

Man. We sure love to judge others. I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence that Andy is a bad father or person for that matter. His sons actions are tragic and I’m sure it’s horrible for the Reid family to be going through on top of the family that was on the other side of this selfish mistake.

 

Does "absentee" sound better? I guess deadbeat does sound awfully harsh.

 

I never said Reid is a bad person. If you haven't seen evidence that he's an absentee father who has prioritized football over his kids, I don't know what you'd have to see. He's had one son dead of an OD and another who nearly did and now brain damaged a little girl. Andy's own home was being used as a drug den before his sons wound up in prison with all kinds of prescription and illegal drugs and guns found. Does this sound like someone who knew what is going on with his kids?

 

Maybe he's a great present father whose sons went astray for completely different reasons. I just think the evidence probably suggests otherwise.

 

 

I think you're probably right, it's just as you said, comes off as harsh. A lot of fathers have jobs that require them to work a whole lot and be away from their families a lot. Honestly, this just seems like a couple of spoiled kids. It seems like Andy Reid tried to do what he could to help his son get back on track.

 

If you're going to coach in the NFL, it's going to be pretty difficult to be both a present father and a Head Coach. They work absolutely ridiculous hours.

 

Britt Reid is going back to jail and when he gets out, he'll still be wealthy and his father will likely still support him. I'm just glad that this girl is likely to recover from those head injuries.

[nodakfan17]

Man. We sure love to judge others. I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence that Andy is a bad father or person for that matter. His sons actions are tragic and I’m sure it’s horrible for the Reid family to be going through on top of the family that was on the other side of this selfish mistake.

I appreciate how you promote decorum on BF.

 

Reid’s dismissal from the Eagles was not long after his older son’s death. I was surprised he didn’t take a year off from coaching to tend to his family (and his personal health). Few people have the resources to do that, but I’ve got to believe that after his tenure in Philadelphia he had the money and the reputation to step aside for a bit and still have an NFL job waiting for him whenever he wanted to return.

 

Maybe he felt he could keep an eye on Britt if they were working together in the same building every day?

[pacopete4]

Man. We sure love to judge others. I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence that Andy is a bad father or person for that matter. His sons actions are tragic and I’m sure it’s horrible for the Reid family to be going through on top of the family that was on the other side of this selfish mistake.

I appreciate how you promote decorum on BF.

 

Reid’s dismissal from the Eagles was not long after his older son’s death. I was surprised he didn’t take a year off from coaching to tend to his family (and his personal health). Few people have the resources to do that, but I’ve got to believe that after his tenure in Philadelphia he had the money and the reputation to step aside for a bit and still have an NFL job waiting for him whenever he wanted to return.

 

Maybe he felt he could keep an eye on Britt if they were working together in the same building every day?

 

We are also talking about adult-age people here too. While they are his kids, they are adults who are making these errors in judgment. It has been stated that Andy and his wife have done everything they could for these kids, and some might say they've done too much which has led them down this road of continuing to make these really poor choices. I don't think I would call him a bad father because he has chosen to continue to live his life and do his job. And I'm not implying that you are but I know that it has been some peoples rationale for calling him a bad father or whatever.

[adambr2]

Man. We sure love to judge others. I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence that Andy is a bad father or person for that matter. His sons actions are tragic and I’m sure it’s horrible for the Reid family to be going through on top of the family that was on the other side of this selfish mistake.

I appreciate how you promote decorum on BF.

 

Reid’s dismissal from the Eagles was not long after his older son’s death. I was surprised he didn’t take a year off from coaching to tend to his family (and his personal health). Few people have the resources to do that, but I’ve got to believe that after his tenure in Philadelphia he had the money and the reputation to step aside for a bit and still have an NFL job waiting for him whenever he wanted to return.

 

Maybe he felt he could keep an eye on Britt if they were working together in the same building every day?

 

We are also talking about adult-age people here too. While they are his kids, they are adults who are making these errors in judgment. It has been stated that Andy and his wife have done everything they could for these kids, and some might say they've done too much which has led them down this road of continuing to make these really poor choices. I don't think I would call him a bad father because he has chosen to continue to live his life and do his job. And I'm not implying that you are but I know that it has been some peoples rationale for calling him a bad father or whatever.

 

They are adult aged people now. But this was Andy's life long before they were adults, so certainly the way they were raised helped shape them as adults.

 

It is true that you are not going to be able to work a 40 hour week as an NFL coach and spend the rest of it with your family if you want to be an NFL coach. Not when all the others are working 80-100 hours.

 

There are some organizations however that do try to get their coaches out and emphasize a better work/home balance rather than just go go go. I think the Titans are one.

[nodakfan17]

The daughter of former Badger (and current Packers’ Board member), Al Toon, was apparently the victim of a murder suicide. Very sad.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/molly-lillard-michigan-wolverines-volleyball-050234714.html

[PinaMadness]

This thread used to be such a happy place.

[madbad2000]

This thread used to be such a happy place.

 

Two weeks until the draft. Hopefully some different discussion of a more upbeat nature coming.

[homer]

This thread used to be such a happy place.

 

Two weeks until the draft. Hopefully some different discussion of a more upbeat nature coming.

 

Draft really snuck up on me. Granted the last one was in June so time between drafts was compressed but still...

 

Can't wait. Pack with 10 picks.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

This thread used to be such a happy place.

 

Two weeks until the draft. Hopefully some different discussion of a more upbeat nature coming.

 

Draft really snuck up on me. Granted the last one was in June so time between drafts was compressed but still...

 

Can't wait. Pack with 10 picks.

 

NFL draft was at its normal time in 2020. Difference was there was literally NOTHING else happening during lockdown, so the lead up to the draft was pretty much uncontested. Lots more going on this time around.

 

Heck, last year's draft was broadcast live on ABC, and was appointment viewing. I wonder if that will be a case this year?

[homer]

 

NFL draft was at its normal time in 2020. Difference was there was literally NOTHING else happening during lockdown, so the lead up to the draft was pretty much uncontested. Lots more going on this time around.

 

Heck, last year's draft was broadcast live on ABC, and was appointment viewing. I wonder if that will be a case this year?

 

Really? Man, my memory is shot. I swear I cut back on booze about 6 weeks into the pandemic

 

Of course, 6 weeks into the pandemic feels like last June so maybe I shouldn't feel so bad.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

NFL draft was at its normal time in 2020. Difference was there was literally NOTHING else happening during lockdown, so the lead up to the draft was pretty much uncontested. Lots more going on this time around.

 

Heck, last year's draft was broadcast live on ABC, and was appointment viewing. I wonder if that will be a case this year?

 

Really? Man, my memory is shot. I swear I cut back on booze about 6 weeks into the pandemic

 

Of course, 6 weeks into the pandemic feels like last June so maybe I shouldn't feel so bad.

 

I totally get it. I actually had to look it up to make sure it was held at the end of April like in past year. The months of March and April seemed to take about 6 months last year.