2021 Miscellaneous NFL News

[homer]

the Packers are not 10-7 with Love behind center.

 

A few bounces the other way and GB could easily be 10 - 7 with Rodgers.

[sveumrules]

If Taylor is more valuable than Rodgers it hasn't showed up in the win column.

 

Colts have scored 27.5 points per game vs Packers scoring 26.3 points per game. Colts have given up 20.9 points per game vs Packers giving up 21.2 points per game.

 

That the Colts are 9-7 with a 101 point differential while the Packers are 13-3 with an 86 point differential indicates (to me anyway) that Rodgers impact has been more valuable than Taylor's.

 

Derrick Henry ran for 2,027 yards (about 300 more than JT) last year on an 11-5 team & didn't get a single MVP vote. Peterson had 2,097 rushing / 2,314 total when he won MVP back in 2012. Taylor is currently at 1,736 rushing / 2,076 total, an impressive season no doubt but not really in that upper stratosphere, as FTC laid out above. If Taylor propelled the Colts to the #1 seed in the AFC maybe, but hard to be the most valuable player in the league leading your team to the #6 seed.

[sveumrules]

mostly due to the horrible NFC North.

 

non-GB teams NFC North: 15-32-1

non-IND teams AFC South: 17-31

[TURBO]

The Bucs without Brady is quite easily a 7-10 team. Possibly even 6-11, and depending on who their QB would have been, even 5-12 is not out of the question.

 

Their D has not been the same this year, decimated by injuries, and the offense has been forced to win games for them. Without Brady, they don't sniff .500

 

I think all of Rodgers, Brady and Taylor deserve it, but only one can win it, since I'm partial to the Bucs, my vote goes to Brady. Since most of you are partial to the Packers, your vote will more than likely go to Rodgers, which I am fine with. Can't lose with any of those 3 winning it. In the end, I know the Packers and Bucs would be nowhere without their current QB, period.

 

That can't be argued.

 

Average points per game:

 

1. Dallas - 29.9

2. Tampa 29.4

10. Green Bay 26.3

 

Take the average points per game, the 1000 more passing yards and 5 TDS more than Rodgers, and I don't see how anyone can't say Brady is in the running, if not the leader...

 

Brady is also almost a touchdown better in average points per game on the road than Rodgers too...

[homer]

The Bucs throw a ton more than GB does. Brady has like 170 more attempts than Rodgers.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Sorry Turbo. I realize what forum we're on, but no impartial observer, particularly one who's watched both play a good amount, could really believe Brady has been better than Rodgers this season. I appreciate your admittance that you're not impartial, though. This is, imo, Rodgers's most impressive season with the number of A-listers the Packers have lost, some for very long chunks of the season. Rodgers is down the best LT in football, an all-pro guard, an emerging star TE, a bunch of other peripheral guys and won a road game in AZ without Adams. They essentially have no WR2 when healthy. And that's not even getting to the defense.

 

I would vote for Taylor if I had a vote. But Rodgers is the best QB in the league this season, again. As such, I anticipate him winning MVP with how GB finished the season.

Edited January 3, 2022 by OldSchoolSnapper

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Is Rodgers the MVP? He won’t play next week and not much else to be decided so race seems over at this point. I would say yeah, pencil it in.

 

If he is the MVP he would be the least deserving of it in a long time. His stats this year are not MVP level for a QB. The TD's are not there and the passing yards are not either.

 

If Herbet threw 5 less INT's he would be walking away with the MVP award.

 

JT should be the MVP without a doubt. There really isn't a QB this year who is putting up MVP numbers.

 

INTs are a big, big deal. It's the most influential play in a game. Throwing 14+ of them en route to going 9-7 is not MVP football in the pass-happy era.

[OldHeidelberg]

Current mvp odds:

 

Rodgers -400

Brady +500

Burrow +1000

 

A quick search of news from this morning seems to confirm it as well, with Rodgers regular season over and The bye clinched it is pretty much over. 35/4 and leading the league in rating is very MVPish stat wise. I am not sure what anyone can do next week to move it much, Rodgers can’t lose it anymore.

[sveumrules]

Take the average points per game, the 1000 more passing yards and 5 TDS more than Rodgers, and I don't see how anyone can't say Brady is in the running, if not the leader...

 

Brady is certainly in the running, but he needed 169 more attempts & threw 8 more interceptions in the process of getting those extra 1000 yards & 5 TDs. That's why his passer rating of 100.5 is quite a bit behind Rodgers passer rating of 111.1.

 

All the extra points scored are great, but the Buccaneers are still 12-4 (.750 W%) when Brady starts while the Packers are 13-2 (.867 W%) when Rodgers starts. I'd say the points that Rodgers lead his team to were more valuable, at least in terms of winning football games.

[jerichoholicninja]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

[homer]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

 

Sure

[igor67]

Is there an offense efficiency stat out there? Given the emphasis on time of possession and use of the play clock raw points aren't necessarily the best way to judge the offense.

[nate82]

 

INTs are a big, big deal. It's the most influential play in a game. Throwing 14+ of them en route to going 9-7 is not MVP football in the pass-happy era.

 

I think you missed the part where I said if he threw 5 less he would be the MVP. Same with Burrow if he has 5 less of INT's he would be in the MVP discussion also. Burrow would probably have a better rating than Rodgers, Burrow is currently at 108.3 with those INT's so without those INT's he would be putting up a better year than Rodgers. Burrow also only has 7 more attempts than Rodgers and has almost 700 more passing yards.

 

Yeah Rodgers is the MVP when someone who has throw 14 INT's this year is almost at the same rating as him. Rodgers isn't even the best QB this year.

[PinaMadness]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

Then the voters who vote for someone else for that reason should be stripped of being a voter. You can't take off the field circumstances into consideration.

[homer]

Is there an offense efficiency stat out there? Given the emphasis on time of possession and use of the play clock raw points aren't necessarily the best way to judge the offense.

 

I think that's passer rating. Rodgers leads the league.

[jerichoholicninja]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

Then the voters who vote for someone else for that reason should be stripped of being a voter. You can't take off the field circumstances into consideration.

 

Isn't the whole narrative around Kirk Cousins and Carson Wentz that they're bad leaders and teammates because of similar reasons? I don't see how that won't be taken into consideration by some voters.

[homer]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

Then the voters who vote for someone else for that reason should be stripped of being a voter. You can't take off the field circumstances into consideration.

 

Isn't the whole narrative around Kirk Cousins and Carson Wentz that they're bad leaders and teammates because of similar reasons? I don't see how that won't be taken into consideration by some voters.

 

No one would be saying those things if Cousins and Wentz had 35+ TDs passing and less than 5 INTs

[Outlander]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

Then the voters who vote for someone else for that reason should be stripped of being a voter. You can't take off the field circumstances into consideration.

They don't have to give that reason though, it is pretty easy to vote for Brady without getting much pushback.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

 

Meh. This reminded of the Josh Hader Tweets. A thing that everyone thought would have long-term ramifications where in reality everyone stopped caring two weeks later.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

INTs are a big, big deal. It's the most influential play in a game. Throwing 14+ of them en route to going 9-7 is not MVP football in the pass-happy era.

 

I think you missed the part where I said if he threw 5 less he would be the MVP. Same with Burrow if he has 5 less of INT's he would be in the MVP discussion also. Burrow would probably have a better rating than Rodgers, Burrow is currently at 108.3 with those INT's so without those INT's he would be putting up a better year than Rodgers. Burrow also only has 7 more attempts than Rodgers and has almost 700 more passing yards.

 

Yeah Rodgers is the MVP when someone who has throw 14 INT's this year is almost at the same rating as him. Rodgers isn't even the best QB this year.

 

No. I didn't miss that part. The point is that he did throw 5 more INTs. That's not something you can just toss out like it's not a big deal. It's a huge deal, especially when Rodgers threw a whopping 10 fewer. An INT is a lot more "bad" than a single TD is "good," if that makes sense.

 

It's a useless hypothetical to throw out there because his job is throwing the ball and he threw it to the other team too much. Somehow Rodgers still doesn't get the kind of praise he should for being so turnover-averse. He does a bunch of things really well obviously, but throwing 2-5 interceptions a year is a huge reason the Packers win so much.

 

If you're a stat junkie for yards and TD passes, I guess Rodgers isn't the best QB this year. But he has overcome a ton of injuries. I don't think any other QB could have beat Arizona the week Rodgers did it with the guys he had playing that night. So...in my opinion, Rodgers is in fact the best QB this year, and was last year as well.

 

Stafford has always been a "good" QB for example, but his sloppiness will keep him from ever winning a Super Bowl. He's still the same guy that wildly chucks it too much; that was a bunch of those guys were pretty TD numbers are. A sniper who misses a bunch of shots and gives up his location isn't all that great of a sniper...that's what decent QBs who throw a bunch of picks are. And I'd add that the definition of a "bunch" has changed drastically. In the 90s you could win MVP with a 35/16 split or something. Teams really don't tolerate consistent 15+ picks these days

[PinaMadness]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

Then the voters who vote for someone else for that reason should be stripped of being a voter. You can't take off the field circumstances into consideration.

 

Isn't the whole narrative around Kirk Cousins and Carson Wentz that they're bad leaders and teammates because of similar reasons? I don't see how that won't be taken into consideration by some voters.

There are plenty of unvaccinated players that have been place on protocol, including Cousins's teammate and best player on the team in Dalvin Cook just 10 measly days ago. I didn't hear the media crucifying him despite having a huge game to play against the Rams. I wonder why that is.

[homer]

There are plenty of unvaccinated players that have been place on protocol, including Cousins's teammate and best player on the team in Dalvin Cook just 10 measly days ago. I didn't hear the media crucifying him despite having a huge game to play against the Rams. I wonder why that is.

 

Because the drop-off to Mattison isn't all that big?

[Fear The Chorizo]

Rodgers won't win MVP because of COVID. His comments about it and missed games because of it.

Then the voters who vote for someone else for that reason should be stripped of being a voter. You can't take off the field circumstances into consideration.

 

Isn't the whole narrative around Kirk Cousins and Carson Wentz that they're bad leaders and teammates because of similar reasons? I don't see how that won't be taken into consideration by some voters.

 

That's a false narrative that gets absolutely zero play inside NFL locker rooms and team facilities. At this point of the pan/endemic, anyone continuing to make those type of comments aimed at bashing unvaccinated players (none of which are current players or coaches) shouldn't be taken seriously anymore. Rodgers missed one regular season game because of his positive COVID test during a time when the league protocols didn't allow him the opportunity to play - he actually might have had a chance to suit up in that Chiefs game if the current protocols the NFL is using to actually complete this season and move forward longterm were in place.

 

Many of the NFL press box's counterpart MLB reporters and "league insiders" opined that Burnes wouldn't win the Cy Young because he missed a couple starts after sitting out with COVID in Spring 2021 and not getting a vaccine that might have delayed him getting infected until a couple months further into the season when a good chunk of the rest of the Brewers who were vaccinated got it in July/August...how'd that hot take work out for them?

[sveumrules]

Here's another way of looking at Rodgers vs Brady this year. Both have completed 352 of 513 passes (68.6%) for 3,977 yards (7.8 Y/A & 11.3 Y/C) with 35 TD / 4 INT (6.8 TD% & 0.8 INT%).

 

In addition to that, Brady has also completed 104 of 169 passes (61.5%) for 1,013 yards (6.0 Y/A & 9.7 Y/C) with 5 TD / 8 INT (3.0 TD% & 4.7 INT%).

 

Brady's additional quantity is of a markedly inferior quality.

 

Rodgers was so efficient this year he gave away a game week one, missed a second game with COVID & still wrapped up the #1 seed to put himself in a position to play minimally or not at all in week seventeen.

[TURBO]

Lots of people in this thread claiming to know what is going to happen...

 

Will be fun to re-visit this thread during super bowl week when the winner is announced.

 

Saw Chris Mortinson tonight on ESPN (man does he look and sound old), sure sounded like Rodgers was not his vote, and that Brady is, but he wouldn't say for sure until the week 18 games are played.

 

I get it, this is a Packers board, and like I said earlier, I am partial to Brady for fandom reasons, but I don't think the Rodgers situation is cut and dried....Just because Vegas throws out some odds doesn't make it a given. Brady has been playing without his offensive stars all season long, Gronk was out more than half the season, AB out for various reasons, Fournette has been dinged up and lost for the season a couple weeks ago, Evans has sat games, and Godwin out for the season. Brady has not yet seen a full offensive roster all year, so just because Rodgers has been missing guys as well doesn't mean he is the only one having to deal with it.

 

In the end, I think it will be close. Will the COVID situation have any effect on Rodgers votes? We shall see, but you can't 100% positively say that it won't effect some voters, and who they throw their votes to. You just can't compare MLB to the NFL when it comes to the voting and how the voters will feel unless they are all the same people casting votes, which I assume is not the case.

 

I think Rodgers looked like an idiot during all that drama, and that might cost him some votes whether people want to admit it or not.