26 Man Roster Discussion

[RollieTime]

If they carry 13 pitchers, that’ll leave 5 bench spots, two of which will be taken by Pina and Garcia. I imagine Shaw will make the roster as the starting third baseman, which will put Arcia as the third bench guy as long as Urias isn’t significantly injured.

 

Fisher will most likely take the 4th bench spot since he was traded for recently. He seems redundant at this point and it’ll be surprising to see us carry a third left handed bat in the outfield.

 

The last spot I see coming down to Daniel Robertson, Zack Green, Dustin Peterson, and Pablo Reyes.

 

But then where does that leave Vogelbach? It’ll be interesting to see how this battle turns out especially if Fisher continues to hit well.

 

Vogelbach seems like the odd man out. Zach Green seems like the most likely to make the roster to see time at the corner infield spots. Shaw can cover first in a pinch too.

 

If Urias is injured or any other infielder that’s making the roster at the end of camp, Robertson seems like the most likely to get that 26th spot.

[MVP2110]

If they carry 13 pitchers, that’ll leave 5 bench spots, two of which will be taken by Pina and Garcia. I imagine Shaw will make the roster as the starting third baseman, which will put Arcia as the third bench guy as long as Urias isn’t significantly injured.

 

Fisher will most likely take the 4th bench spot since he was traded for recently. He seems redundant at this point and it’ll be surprising to see us carry a third left handed bat in the outfield.

 

The last spot I see coming down to Daniel Robertson, Zack Green, Dustin Peterson, and Pablo Reyes.

 

But then where does that leave Vogelbach? It’ll be interesting to see how this battle turns out especially if Fisher continues to hit well.

 

Vogelbach seems like the odd man out. Zach Green seems like the most likely to make the roster to see time at the corner infield spots. Shaw can cover first in a pinch too.

 

If Urias is injured or any other infielder that’s making the roster at the end of camp, Robertson seems like the most likely to get that 26th spot.

 

I stated this in another threat but I think Green is an extreme longshot to break camp with the club. With the way Stearns tends to operate if he can keep a Robertson, Vogelbach/Fisher type and also send Green down that's how he'll start the year to preserve depth. But then if Green does well in AAA or the Alternate site I think he could definitely get a call up when injuries or underperformance happens

[RollieTime]

If they carry 13 pitchers, that’ll leave 5 bench spots, two of which will be taken by Pina and Garcia. I imagine Shaw will make the roster as the starting third baseman, which will put Arcia as the third bench guy as long as Urias isn’t significantly injured.

 

Fisher will most likely take the 4th bench spot since he was traded for recently. He seems redundant at this point and it’ll be surprising to see us carry a third left handed bat in the outfield.

 

The last spot I see coming down to Daniel Robertson, Zack Green, Dustin Peterson, and Pablo Reyes.

 

But then where does that leave Vogelbach? It’ll be interesting to see how this battle turns out especially if Fisher continues to hit well.

 

Vogelbach seems like the odd man out. Zach Green seems like the most likely to make the roster to see time at the corner infield spots. Shaw can cover first in a pinch too.

 

If Urias is injured or any other infielder that’s making the roster at the end of camp, Robertson seems like the most likely to get that 26th spot.

 

I stated this in another threat but I think Green is an extreme longshot to break camp with the club. With the way Stearns tends to operate if he can keep a Robertson, Vogelbach/Fisher type and also send Green down that's how he'll start the year to preserve depth. But then if Green does well in AAA or the Alternate site I think he could definitely get a call up when injuries or underperformance happens

 

Good call. I’m not aware of who has options remaining on that list, but if Green has an option, I imagine he will start in the minors. I give Robertson the leg up then to make the roster if he performs.

[Jopal78]

Who have guaranteed major league deals? Robertson, Vogelbach for sure; anyone else? Those guys probably have an initial leg up over other bench players because the sunk cost

[CheeseheadInQC]

Who have guaranteed major league deals? Robertson, Vogelbach for sure; anyone else? Those guys probably have an initial leg up over other bench players because the sunk cost

I don’t think anyone on the bubble has a full guaranteed deal. Some would require a small portion of their contract (including, I believe, the two you mentioned).

 

I was wondering about opt-outs for the NRIs. Shaw’s has been publicized and I would think Boxberger might have one, but I don’t know about any of the others.

[RollieTime]

Robertson has a guaranteed $900,000 MLB contract. Vogelbach’s contract is $1.4 million, but wouldn’t they only be on the hook for 1/6 of that since he was signed through arbitration compared to Robertson on the free agent market? So they could move on from him prior to Opening Day and only owe him roughly $250K?

[CheeseheadInQC]

Looking back, it appears there is a disagreement between different reports on if Robertson’s contract is guaranteed.

[Eye Black]

As much as both instances pain me, I think barring an injury I’d prefer to start the season with both Luis Urias and Tyrone Taylor optioned to the Alternate Site.

 

My 13 position players and 13 pitchers would be as follows

 

RHH

Keston Hiura

Lorenzo Cain

Avisail Garcia

Orlando Arcia

Manny Piña

Daniel Robertson

 

LHH

Christian Yelich

Kolton Wong

Omar Narvaez

Jackie Bradley Jr.

Travis Shaw

Daniel Vogelbach

Derek Fisher

 

RHP

Brandon Woodruff

Corbin Burnes

Josh Lindblom

Adrian Houser

Freddy Peralta

Devin Williams

Justin Topa

Drew Rasmussen

Brad Boxberger

Ray Black (Black not having options makes this difficult)

 

LHP

Brett Anderson

Brent Suter

Josh Hader

[wntrtxn21]

As much as both instances pain me, I think barring an injury I’d prefer to start the season with both Luis Urias and Tyrone Taylor optioned to the Alternate Site.

 

My 13 position players and 13 pitchers would be as follows

 

RHH

Keston Hiura

Lorenzo Cain

Avisail Garcia

Orlando Arcia

Manny Piña

Daniel Robertson

 

LHH

Christian Yelich

Kolton Wong

Omar Narvaez

Jackie Bradley Jr.

Travis Shaw

Daniel Vogelbach

Derek Fisher

 

RHP

Brandon Woodruff

Corbin Burnes

Josh Lindblom

Adrian Houser

Freddy Peralta

Devin Williams

Justin Topa

Drew Rasmussen

Brad Boxberger

Ray Black (Black not having options makes this difficult)

 

LHP

Brett Anderson

Brent Suter

Josh Hader

 

I see it pretty close to the same, except I think CC (if he has 13 pitchers) carries two infielders plus Vogelbach on the bench and only 4 OFs. So no Fisher and I think Urias starts at SS, especially if Arcia proves he can play OF.

[Jopal78]

Robertson has a guaranteed $900,000 MLB contract. Vogelbach’s contract is $1.4 million, but wouldn’t they only be on the hook for 1/6 of that since he was signed through arbitration compared to Robertson on the free agent market? So they could move on from him prior to Opening Day and only owe him roughly $250K?

 

But they signed Vogelbach before the date to tender him a contract. Not sure if that makes a difference, but they didn’t even start the arbitration process. It could be since they avoided arbitration his 1.4 million is fully guaranteed

[djoctagone]

I was wondering about opt-outs for the NRIs. Shaw’s has been publicized and I would think Boxberger might have one, but I don’t know about any of the others.

some opt-outs, like travis shaw's, can be negotiated. we don't have knowledge of any other negotiated opt-out clauses.

 

other opt-out clauses can be required for nris, provided the player has at least six years of service time and finished the previous season a major league roster or a major league injured list. the brewers have only two such players: brad boxberger and jordan zimmermann. each must be told they're making the club before opening day, or be paid a $100,000 retention bonus in order to assign them to the alternate training site.

[djoctagone]

Good call. I’m not aware of who has options remaining on that list, but if Green has an option, I imagine he will start in the minors.

zach green is on a minor league deal, which means he is contractually obligated to open the season for the brewers in the minor leagues, unless he negotiated an opt-out clause that we're not aware of. if he is added to the 40-man roster, green can be optioned, as he has two remaining.

 

you can check the options status of every 2021 brewer signed to a major league contract here.

[CheeseheadInQC]

I was wondering about opt-outs for the NRIs. Shaw’s has been publicized and I would think Boxberger might have one, but I don’t know about any of the others.

some opt-outs, like travis shaw's, can be negotiated. we don't have knowledge of any other negotiated opt-out clauses.

 

other opt-out clauses can be required for nris, provided the player has at least six years of service time and finished the previous season a major league roster or a major league injured list. the brewers have only two such players: brad boxberger and jordan zimmermann. each must be told they're making the club before opening day, or be paid a $100,000 retention bonus in order to assign them to the alternate training site.

Thanks, I couldn't remember if Zimmermann had finished the year with Detroit or not.

[MNBrew]

My 13:

 

For sure:

OF (4): Yelich, Cain, Garcia, Bradley

IF (5): Hiura, Wong, Arcia, Urias (unless he's injured), Shaw

C (2): Narvaez, Pina

 

That leaves room for 2 more assuming the small-ish injuries to Cain & Urias are non-issues by the end of camp. I'd think one spot goes to Vogelbach and if that's so, the other goes to one of Taylor, Lopes, Mathias, or Robertson.

 

Fisher & McKinney have some intrigue to them in terms of their prior prospect pedigree but, at the same time, they're both scrap heap pickups & thus most likely 40-man fringe guys at best -- McKinney was claimed off waivers & Fisher was snagged for low cost after he was DFA'd. Bradley wasn't in the mix when they were acquired, and I think Bradley's arrival lowers the odds that either of them makes the Opening Day roster.

 

Let's not forget, too, that once Bradley's officially added to the roster, someone loses their 40-man spot.

 

Speaking of pedigree, I've always like Jordan Zimmermann & hope he's healthy & has enough left in the tank to be a meaningful addition to the pitching staff, whatever role that lands him in.... A mutual friend of mine & recte44 commented that Boxberger has a way of giving up runs most anytime he sees him pitch. Maybe he makes it, but he seems more like "just a guy" at this point. On the other hand, enough of the young guys have ample options left that it wouldn't be the worst idea to give him a shot and eventually let him go if he doesn't do enough to keep it. Having some viable, even promising, depth isn't a bad thing.

[Jopal78]

Boxberger will be on the team. The Brewers seemingly begin every season with a journeyman veteran arm in the bullpen: Albers, JJ Hoover, Alex Wilson, Justin Grimm. Hopefully Boxberger has more left in the tank than those guys

[markedman5]

https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-seeking-flexibility-out-of-bench

[DR28]

I would much rather have Reyes vs Arcia on the bench.

 

My bench would be:

 

Pina or Nottingham

Vogelbach

Reyes

Robertson

 

If we go with 13 pitchers than Fisher gets last bench spot.

[MVP2110]

I would much rather have Reyes vs Arcia on the bench.

 

My bench would be:

 

Pina or Nottingham

Vogelbach

Reyes

Robertson

 

If we go with 13 pitchers than Fisher gets last bench spot.

 

I'm assuming you're forgetting Garcia?

[DR28]

I would much rather have Reyes vs Arcia on the bench.

 

My bench would be:

 

Pina or Nottingham

Vogelbach

Reyes

Robertson

 

If we go with 13 pitchers than Fisher gets last bench spot.

 

I'm assuming you're forgetting Garcia?

 

Crap, yes thank you!

[DR28]

I'll take a stab at this....

 

Pitchers (13)

Woodruff

Burnes

Houser

Lindblom

Anderson

 

Hader

Williams

Peralta

Suter

Topa

Boxberger

Rasmussen

Yardley

 

Hitters (13)

Wong

Yelich

Hiura

Shaw

Cain

Bradley Jr

Narvaez

Urias

 

Pina

Vogelbach

Reyes

Robertson

Garcia

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'll take a stab at this....

 

Pitchers (13)

Woodruff

Burnes

Houser

Lindblom

Anderson

 

Hader

Williams

Peralta

Suter

Topa

Boxberger

Rasmussen

Yardley

 

Hitters (13)

Wong

Yelich

Hiura

Shaw

Cain

Bradley Jr

Narvaez

Urias

 

Pina

Vogelbach

Reyes

Robertson

Garcia

 

I think you are pretty close, except I think Arcia will make the team over Reyes. Arcia is pretty good against lefties as well.

[pacopete4]

Arcia isn't getting cut.

[DR28]

Your both probably right... Then Reyes makes the team over Robertson? But idk Reyes isnt on the 40 man but then Robertson's contract isnt guaranteed I believe, guess Robertson could be DFAd for Reyes...

 

Guess we'll see come 4/1.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Your both probably right... Then Reyes makes the team over Robertson? But idk Reyes isnt on the 40 man but then Robertson's contract isnt guaranteed I believe, guess Robertson could be DFAd for Reyes...

 

Guess we'll see come 4/1.

 

I don't think Reyes makes the initial roster, but his versatility will play. He'll be up with the club at some point. Stearns loves those "do everything" types too much for him to be down long.

[Outlander]

I agree that Reyes is a longshot for the opening roster. However with his options I would imagine he gets added to the 40 man sometime this spring to be called up and is optioned back and forth quite a bit playing a Hernan Perez type role.