Lorenzo Cain injury thread

[JET15]

I think another player other than Hiura needs to go down and figure out why he can't hit anymore - Yelich. He is almost an automatic out right now.

He's in a bad slump, and he definitely hasn't played up to his contract the past year, but he certainly hasn't been the worst hitter on the roster either.

 

So, if you want to use a very small sample size, yes he's been awful the past couple weeks, but Garcia, Peterson, Narvaez, Pina, and Hiura have all been worse during that time period. If you extend it to the past month, he's 2nd worst on the team, but that has more to do with how hot the rest of the team has been and he has a much more respectable 90 wRC+ during that time period, which you can withstand for a month while you hope he returns to form. If you extend it to the full season, he's actually the least automatic out, as even with the recent slump he still has the highest OBP on the team for the year.

 

It's frustrating to watch because you know what he can be, but despite his struggles, I think he hasn't been *as bad* as people have been making him out to be and you need to stick with him through it.

 

On the positive side, JBJ has quietly become an average offensive player recently. Which, if he can keep it up along with his defense, makes him a very valuable player moving forward. And it's getting very hard to keep Taylor out of the lineup as well. Mixing and matching and playing the hot hands with Yelich, Cain, Garcia, JBJ, and Taylor could be very solid the rest of the year.

 

If Cain comes up for PIT, I'd like to see him in the lineup against the lefty in game 1.

 

And give Yeli a few games off to get his head on right. Huira has to go down again. Not much of a choice there. Take advantage of reverse splits with Tellez and how he's seeing the ball.

 

Wong 2B

Adames SS

Taylor LF

Garcia RF

Urias 3B

Cain CF

Tellez 1B

Pina C

[logan82]

Honestly cut Cain and eat the deal. We really only expected one or two good years out of the contract we signed him to.

[bork]

Probably Hiura going down, but with the move back to a 5-man rotation they effectively gain a reliever, making it easier to go with a 13-man pitching staff again so it's also possible they send down a reliever.

 

I assume Perdomo is going down when Williams is activated, likely the same day as Cain. After that, there really aren't any obvious choices for pitchers to send down. It also sounds like it won't be a true 5-man rotation. It sounds like Houser will be piggybacking with a rotating starter who will get a shorter start.

[Lathund]

Probably Hiura going down, but with the move back to a 5-man rotation they effectively gain a reliever, making it easier to go with a 13-man pitching staff again so it's also possible they send down a reliever.

 

I assume Perdomo is going down when Williams is activated, likely the same day as Cain. After that, there really aren't any obvious choices for pitchers to send down. It also sounds like it won't be a true 5-man rotation. It sounds like Houser will be piggybacking with a rotating starter who will get a shorter start.

 

Gustave seems like a good candidate to get sent down too. And whether it's a piggyback or not, it still frees things up more. With a 14 man pitching staff, with a 6-man rotation you have 8 pitchers to cover the relief innings. With a 5-man rotation you have 9 pitchers to cover it. Even if that extra man is used in a piggyback, that's still fewer innings to cover for the rest; you'd count on getting maybe 7 innings from the piggyback as opposed to 5 from the starter alone (Seeing as part of the reason to use it would be to limit workloads) Which means 2 fewer innings to cover each time through the rotation compared to before. That doesn't sound like much, but it's basically the workload of one full-time reliever.

 

Brewers have liked to go with the extra pitcher and short bench, and with how little Hiura has played recently it does seem like the most likely option. But another reliever going down is a very realistic possibility.

[djoctagone]

lorenzo cain will be activated for tonight's game.

[Hopper]

With 40 games left to play, it looks like Cain will not even come close to 100 games played.

He has played in 47 so far this season.

With 40 left, the most possible is 87.

He will surely get some rest days in the last 40.

Probably another nagging injury or IL stay.

I'd say 80 games will be his cap.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

With 40 games left to play, it looks like Cain will not even come close to 100 games played.

He has played in 47 so far this season.

With 40 left, the most possible is 87.

He will surely get some rest days in the last 40.

Probably another nagging injury or IL stay.

I'd say 80 games will be his cap.

 

What's your point? Long-term contracts are what they are. Everyone knew the risks. If Cain helps them win 100, and is a stud in the postseason, his nagging injuries and the amount of games he has played this year won't matter in the slightest.

[Hopper]

My point is that I stated that he would not play 100 games this year, and was told I was wrong.

That is my point, my point is that!

He will not be playing 100 games, far less, and the same will more than likely be true next year as well.

[brewtank34]

Not sure why Hopper is getting defensive. You didn’t mention that in your original post this morning. Not sure how you expect readers to remember something that Hopper said earlier in the season of you don’t quote yourself within your post. Lessons to learn from

[djoctagone]

lorenzo cain was pulled from the game after his amazing catch because of right groin pain.

[djoctagone]

general body soreness for lorenzo cain. he is not in today's starting lineup.

[djoctagone]

lorenzo cain says that he'll return soon.

[sveumrules]

I'll put Cain down for say 115 games, a 96 wRC+, about +3 on the bases & around 9 runs saved in the field for 2021, which probably shakes out somewhere in the neighborhood 2.5 to 3.0 WAR.

 

Missed on the games (only 78), but did pretty good on the batting line (97 wRC+), base running (+4 BRef / +1.8 FG) and defense (+6 DRS / +4.1 UZR) shaking out to 1.8 fWAR / 2.2 bWAR.

 

Over the first four years of his contract Lorenzo has posted 9.2 fWAR / 12.0 bWAR for a little over 46 million dollars, which shakes to something like 4-5 million per WAR so far.

 

Hopefully he's got a little October magic left in those old bones.

[djoctagone]

an injury suffered in spring training that was unknown to most of us until yesterday . . .