Packer 2021 Draft Discussion- Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia; Round 2 Josh Myers, C, Ohio State; 3: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson

[CheezWizHed]

These uber-short guys are always an injury concern in the NFL (both Moore and the Western MI WR that is getting a lot of buzz). I'd feel more comfortable taking a gadget type player early if our WR room was more solid or if they were a 4th round pick.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah would be one heck of a fun piece to add to the puzzle. Not super sure how he'd fit in the new Joe Barry defense, but dang that guy is explosive.

[HiAndTight]

These uber-short guys are always an injury concern in the NFL (both Moore and the Western MI WR that is getting a lot of buzz). I'd feel more comfortable taking a gadget type player early if our WR room was more solid or if they were a 4th round pick.

 

 

I'd be surprised if you found a correlation between injury and height.

[reillymcshane]

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah would be one heck of a fun piece to add to the puzzle. Not super sure how he'd fit in the new Joe Barry defense, but dang that guy is explosive.

I saw one mock with the Packers moving up to draft him.

[patrickgpe]

If there is a player that the packers like they do have the picks to move up

[CheezWizHed]

If there is a player that the packers like they do have the picks to move up

 

Not terribly far though. They have a lot of picks, but mostly low value.

[LouisEly]

If there is a player that the packers like they do have the picks to move up

 

Not terribly far though. They have a lot of picks, but mostly low value.

And they only have 30 players under contract for 2022 and are already at $219M cap value. They will need a lot of low-cost players next season and the Packers don't like to rely on rookies - they have said the biggest jump a player makes is from year one to year two, and I think they want to get as many rookies in this year because next year the entire bench is probably going to have to be year 1-2 guys.

[CheezWizHed]

I wonder if we might actually trade down? OT is pretty thin, but we don't have any one spot that is an absolute "need to have". I'd think if a few key players are off the board (Newsome, Cosmi, etc..), they might trade back.

[GAME05]

That's my thinking, too. They're not one player away this coming season, and an extra 2nd now should give them a little more depth just in case they can't re-sign some of the big-name players the following offseason. Plus they need depth more than they have one big hole to fill.

[HiAndTight]

That's my thinking, too. They're not one player away this coming season, and an extra 2nd now should give them a little more depth just in case they can't re-sign some of the big-name players the following offseason. Plus they need depth more than they have one big hole to fill.

 

I don't know, this team is as close to being one player away as any Packers team in recent memory. They bring back 21 of 22 starters, plus young guys pushing for time.

 

They'll also be adding multiple players if they trade up or not.

 

My only guess with regard to the Packers...they'll pick someone nobody guesses they'd pick. Of Gutey's first round picks, I don't think anyone thought they'd take Gary, Savage or Love. People talked about Love, but I don't think anyone actually thought they'd pick him. Alexander was the closest we've come, but I think just as many people guessed we'd take Jackson in the 1st round that year as Alexander.

 

Even past the first round, the Packers have been extremely unpredictable. They traded up for Jenkins. I hated that trade, moving up for a guard early in the 2nd round. But it was a great pick in retrospect.

AJ Dillon when last year was supposed to be the year they picked a WR'er.

Deguara in the 3rd last year.

 

 

I just hope they address weaknesses in this draft. I'll take a guy who's more ready this year(Mayfield for example) as opposed to someone who may have big upside and could help out more in the future like say Kwity Paye.

 

Just give the Packers and Rodgers the best chances while the window is still open as it appears to be closing pretty quickly.

[reillymcshane]

I wonder if we might actually trade down? OT is pretty thin, but we don't have any one spot that is an absolute "need to have". I'd think if a few key players are off the board (Newsome, Cosmi, etc..), they might trade back.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried. Everything is pretty fluid. You never know who's going to drop. And if you have players you like a lot who will be there on a trade down - go for it.

 

Of course, you need to have someone else to play along on any trade. But you should try.

[reillymcshane]

If there is a player that the packers like they do have the picks to move up

 

Not terribly far though. They have a lot of picks, but mostly low value.

The Athletic had the Packers trade with Tennessee - getting pick No. 22 (Tennessee's 1st rounder) in exchange for Nos. 29 and 92 (our 1st and 3rd picks).

 

Packers then take LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah.

[HiAndTight]

I wonder if we might actually trade down? OT is pretty thin, but we don't have any one spot that is an absolute "need to have". I'd think if a few key players are off the board (Newsome, Cosmi, etc..), they might trade back.

 

 

It is a little strange to me how much different Gutey has operated than Ted.

With Ted, this feels like a no-brainer.

 

Wonder if Gutey will become a little less aggressive as time moves on. He was hired by Wolf but learned under TT. So far, he's been much more Wolf than Thompson.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-broncos-bears-trade-up-for-qbs

[HiAndTight]

If there is a player that the packers like they do have the picks to move up

 

Not terribly far though. They have a lot of picks, but mostly low value.

The Athletic had the Packers trade with Tennessee - getting pick No. 22 (Tennessee's 1st rounder) in exchange for Nos. 29 and 92 (our 1st and 3rd picks).

 

Packers then take LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah.

 

A Safety/LB'er hybrid in the 1st...he could be a helluva player, but not sure he'd be the guy I'd like to see them target if they move up. I just don't see the need there as much as I do at CB/OT.

 

That said, he does seem like a bigger, more physical version of Mathieu.

[LouisEly]

That's my thinking, too. They're not one player away this coming season, and an extra 2nd now should give them a little more depth just in case they can't re-sign some of the big-name players the following offseason. Plus they need depth more than they have one big hole to fill.

They were in the NFCCG. A healthy Bakh minus a boneheaded DC and they probably win that game. Spend their top two picks on OT and CB and they're as good as any other team in the NFC.

[CheezWizHed]

I wonder if we might actually trade down? OT is pretty thin, but we don't have any one spot that is an absolute "need to have". I'd think if a few key players are off the board (Newsome, Cosmi, etc..), they might trade back.

 

 

It is a little strange to me how much different Gutey has operated than Ted.

With Ted, this feels like a no-brainer.

 

Wonder if Gutey will become a little less aggressive as time moves on. He was hired by Wolf but learned under TT. So far, he's been much more Wolf than Thompson.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-broncos-bears-trade-up-for-qbs

 

Wolf traded back quite often... he was famous of saying he wanted more bites of the apple. But Wolf was more variable than TT (trading up and down, signing FAs, trading low picks for vet players to fill gaps).

 

I think Gute has been far more unpredictable of the three.

[brewcrewdue80]

Is a trade for #15 that cost Love, 29 and 4th rd pick idea smoking? When did NE throw in their 2022 1st rd pick? Because only that might entice me to do it. Do they have #15 in the 2nd? That would have to be included for me to consider it. Youre talking 3 picks for 14spots moved up? #24-29 and the 4th equal a 15? Talk about doing NE a favor while screwing yourselves even further from that 2020 draft fiasco. NE would have had to use a lot of draft capitol to reach the first rd to get Love and 4yrs plus 5th option. GB basically saves them from that loss, Love has a 5th option and has spent a year learning behind a Goat of a QB. Just asinine to give up 3 for 1 because any success Love gives NE will be worth more than the 15 they move up to. NE would have to give up their 2nd or ideally 2022s 1st rd.

[HiAndTight]

That's my thinking, too. They're not one player away this coming season, and an extra 2nd now should give them a little more depth just in case they can't re-sign some of the big-name players the following offseason. Plus they need depth more than they have one big hole to fill.

They were in the NFCCG. A healthy Bakh minus a boneheaded DC and they probably win that game. Spend their top two picks on OT and CB and they're as good as any other team in the NFC.

 

 

Exactly. They were in it and it wasn't like the prior two. Just another good player at either of those position and they likely play in the SB.

 

I'm not even going to talk about the DC. I've spent enough time and energy!

[HiAndTight]

I wonder if we might actually trade down? OT is pretty thin, but we don't have any one spot that is an absolute "need to have". I'd think if a few key players are off the board (Newsome, Cosmi, etc..), they might trade back.

 

 

It is a little strange to me how much different Gutey has operated than Ted.

With Ted, this feels like a no-brainer.

 

Wonder if Gutey will become a little less aggressive as time moves on. He was hired by Wolf but learned under TT. So far, he's been much more Wolf than Thompson.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-broncos-bears-trade-up-for-qbs

 

Wolf traded back quite often... he was famous of saying he wanted more bites of the apple. But Wolf was more variable than TT (trading up and down, signing FAs, trading low picks for vet players to fill gaps).

 

I think Gute has been far more unpredictable of the three.

 

 

Wolf would trade back more in the middle rounds. The only early picks he traded, he traded away or he used to trade up(George Teague I believe he moved up to get) but I'm also taking his Favre trade...which seemed insane at the time. He traded a mid 1st for a QB who went in the 2nd the previous season and was a disaster that first year. Not because he threw 2 picks in 5 passes but for other reasons.

 

That trade would be similar to getting the 10th pick in this draft for Jordan Love.

 

Then there's the trades he claimed he tried to make. Trading up for Urlacher, Lewis and others.

Trading a 2nd to get Keith Jackson.

 

He was just objectively more aggressive as a GM. Every GM would prefer to have more picks. But he was also less scared of trading mid round picks away. After Levens went down, he traded a 3rd or 4th for a backup RB from New York. Thompson was hesitant to trade a 4th for Moss(then when he finally agreed, the Pats came in and offered a 3rd).

 

 

I think it's a hard argument to make that Wolf was more predictable than Gutey. That's probably due to recency bias. Meanwhile Ted was outstanding at drafting and developing(not always in the 1st, but really good in the middle rounds). Gutey thus far has definitely unpredictable, but he's also swinging for the fences with each 1st rounder. And to his credit, he's hit one on his first in Jaire. Still a little early to tell about Gary, Savage, and Love, but the needle is pointing up for two of them.

[HiAndTight]

Is a trade for #15 that cost Love, 29 and 4th rd pick idea smoking? When did NE throw in their 2022 1st rd pick? Because only that might entice me to do it. Do they have #15 in the 2nd? That would have to be included for me to consider it. Youre talking 3 picks for 14spots moved up? #24-29 and the 4th equal a 15? Talk about doing NE a favor while screwing yourselves even further from that 2020 draft fiasco. NE would have had to use a lot of draft capitol to reach the first rd to get Love and 4yrs plus 5th option. GB basically saves them from that loss, Love has a 5th option and has spent a year learning behind a Goat of a QB. Just asinine to give up 3 for 1 because any success Love gives NE will be worth more than the 15 they move up to. NE would have to give up their 2nd or ideally 2022s 1st rd.

 

 

I'd be shocked if there was any basis for this trade. It just seems too fantastical. A janitor finds a note and that's how the rumor starts?

[patrickgpe]

if they trade Love, I will be more shocked than I normally am on draft night. they moved up to get him. the will not cut him loose so soon. I guess if you can get #15 and there is QB you like better available, but that doesn't take into account the cap hit anyway.

[GAME05]

Bleacher Report said the guy who spoke on finding the note in the trash, years ago had another janitor relative who found a trash-note for another team. This time of year I could probably get 1,000 re-tweets for saying that the Packers were releasing Rodgers because Favre wanted to come back and play a year.

 

If the Packers had a new front office that would be one thing, but having the same guys who drafted him in the first place, trading Love now doesn't make any sense at all. That's a decision better left for next offseason when they decide what to do with Rodgers. Sitting another year probably doesn't hurt Love's value, either. If anything, the run on QBs we might see this year only says the Packers made a good decision last year to grab a good QB when they had the chance.

[brewcrewdue80]

Holy moly I did not know draft pick trade values were so massively upper tilted and ruined by the end of the 1st rd basically. Moving from 4 to 3 would technically cost a 50th selection. But moving from 5 to 4 is equivalent to pick 100? Essentially trade down if youre a top 8 is huge draft capitol. Trading up after is a big loss on draft capitol. You had better win with that pick.

[PeaveyFury]

If the Packers had a new front office that would be one thing, but having the same guys who drafted him in the first place, trading Love now doesn't make any sense at all.

 

It only makes sense if they're completely blown away by something unexpected on draft night. Hence, not impossible to think he could be traded, but very, very unlikely for the reasons you cite and more.

 

A plausible scenario, I suppose, would be an earlier-than-expected run on the QBs and the Broncos called offering #9 for Love (or pick your early-teens team accordingly), you'd think that the Packers jump at that without much thought. Realistic? No. Plausible in theory? Sure. Alternately, and perhaps more likely from a logic standpoint- if a QB-needy team make a gamble that a guy will be there later and they whiff on QBs, you might get offered a high 2nd, which you'd also probably have to at least consider...

[CheezWizHed]

Holy moly I did not know draft pick trade values were so massively upper tilted and ruined by the end of the 1st rd basically. Moving from 4 to 3 would technically cost a 50th selection. But moving from 5 to 4 is equivalent to pick 100? Essentially trade down if youre a top 8 is huge draft capitol. Trading up after is a big loss on draft capitol. You had better win with that pick.

 

If you were to plot it, it looks exponential, which makes sense. But it also varies greatly year to year based on the draft and where the talent dropoffs lie for that particular draft. The old Jimmy Johnson draft guide was leaked but I wonder how much teams used it exactly as it was leaked or if they did their personal tweaks each year. Now-days, I could see using value based analytics to calculate the typical value of a #1 overall pick compared to a #5 (and all others).