Packer 2021 Draft Discussion- Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia; Round 2 Josh Myers, C, Ohio State; 3: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson

[CheezWizHed]

Well, if the janitor found it, it might've been in the trash.

[patrickgpe]

I could see the Packers moving Love if the were 100% committed to Rodgers for the next couple seasons. Nothing they have done has shown that. Jimmy G was the man in waiting for the Pats and they moved him to further commit to Brady. I agree its a bad trade, and you have to remember they traded up to get him, making the trade worse.

[PeaveyFury]

It just seems too much like fanboy stuff to me on the New England side. It's like someone took the draft value chart and added 29's value+ GB's 4th rounder value and the difference was about the value of a mid-2nd. Why does Green Bay do a trade like this that is unnecessarily complicated if you value Love at the value of a 2nd? Just take NE's 2nd. Heck, New England probably prefers that deal too, as it keeps them in the top 15. Just an odd proposal.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It just seems too much like fanboy stuff to me on the New England side. It's like someone took the draft value chart and added 29's value+ GB's 4th rounder value and the difference was about the value of a mid-2nd. Why does Green Bay do a trade like this that is unnecessarily complicated if you value Love at the value of a 2nd? Just take NE's 2nd. Heck, New England probably prefers that deal too, as it keeps them in the top 15. Just an odd proposal.

 

Plus, how smart would it be for the Packers to trade their backup QB with no other QBs on the roster? I am convinced that part of the appeal of drafting Love was to have a young, talented backup QB at their disposal should their veteran late-30s QB get dinged.

[PeaveyFury]

It just seems too much like fanboy stuff to me on the New England side. It's like someone took the draft value chart and added 29's value+ GB's 4th rounder value and the difference was about the value of a mid-2nd. Why does Green Bay do a trade like this that is unnecessarily complicated if you value Love at the value of a 2nd? Just take NE's 2nd. Heck, New England probably prefers that deal too, as it keeps them in the top 15. Just an odd proposal.

 

Plus, how smart would it be for the Packers to trade their backup QB with no other QBs on the roster? I am convinced that part of the appeal of drafting Love was to have a young, talented backup QB at their disposal should their veteran late-30s QB get dinged.

 

I think that's the heart of my logic- I get doing that if you feel you get good value for Love. But here? You're essentially trading 2 players away (Love and the 4th) just to move up, with nothing to backfill. If you get a straight-up pick for him, you can use it either directly to draft his replacement or it allows you to use other draft capital to do so.

 

I guess I'd buy this more if it put the Packers in a position to get a top-10 pick or something that allowed them to get an 'impact guy' on their board. But just to move from the late 1st to the middle? Meh. Maybe the type of trade you make on draft night if a talent unexpectedly falls to that range, but not in advance.

[nodakfan17]

I hate that rumored Love trade.

 

Maybe I’m just scarred from the Packers trading Matt Hasselbeck so they could move up 10 spots and draft Jamal ‘Too Small’ Reynolds.

 

The hay is in the barn. They might as well have an affordable backup with some upside. I wouldn’t trade Love for anything less than a high 2nd rounder with a 5th or 6th attached.

[BillScottCanRake]

I am going to preface this by saying I am neither a cap expert nor do I play one on TV, but...

 

Per spotrac, it appears as though trading or waiving Love this year would cause 9+ million of dead money to be counted against this years cap. That alone would seem to make this trade virtually impossible before even considering some of the other comments in this thread.

[xisxisxis]

I am going to preface this by saying I am neither a cap expert nor do I play one on TV, but...

 

Per spotrac, it appears as though trading or waiving Love this year would cause 9+ million of dead money to be counted against this years cap. That alone would seem to make this trade virtually impossible before even considering some of the other comments in this thread.

Okay, ignoring the cap issue and the fact that the Packers would only have 1 QB signed. If the trade was Love + GB 4th Rounder for NE Pats #15 would you do it?

[patrickgpe]

I hate that rumored Love trade.

 

Maybe I’m just scarred from the Packers trading Matt Hasselbeck so they could move up 10 spots and draft Jamal ‘Too Small’ Reynolds.

 

The hay is in the barn. They might as well have an affordable backup with some upside. I wouldn’t trade Love for anything less than a high 2nd rounder with a 5th or 6th attached.

i think its generous to say thats a rumored trade. Supposedly a janitor found it on a piece of paper. The packers didn't trade up to get him just to sell low on him a year later. Granted Rodgers winning MVP did have to put some kind of wrinkle in their plans, but I don't see it.

[patrickgpe]

I am going to preface this by saying I am neither a cap expert nor do I play one on TV, but...

 

Per spotrac, it appears as though trading or waiving Love this year would cause 9+ million of dead money to be counted against this years cap. That alone would seem to make this trade virtually impossible before even considering some of the other comments in this thread.

Okay, ignoring the cap issue and the fact that the Packers would only have 1 QB signed. If the trade was Love + GB 4th Rounder for NE Pats #15 would you do it?

i would

[nodakfan17]

I am going to preface this by saying I am neither a cap expert nor do I play one on TV, but...

 

Per spotrac, it appears as though trading or waiving Love this year would cause 9+ million of dead money to be counted against this years cap. That alone would seem to make this trade virtually impossible before even considering some of the other comments in this thread.

Okay, ignoring the cap issue and the fact that the Packers would only have 1 QB signed. If the trade was Love + GB 4th Rounder for NE Pats #15 would you do it?

And watch Love go to New England, win a Super Bowl, and have to hear about what a superior organization they are from the East Coast media until the day I die? No thank you.

[adambr2]

For #15? Yeah I'd do it. You'd be wise to extend Rodgers after I think.

[PeaveyFury]

I am going to preface this by saying I am neither a cap expert nor do I play one on TV, but...

 

Per spotrac, it appears as though trading or waiving Love this year would cause 9+ million of dead money to be counted against this years cap. That alone would seem to make this trade virtually impossible before even considering some of the other comments in this thread.

 

Love has one of those weird contracts where his dead cap if TRADED is different than if he's released. If he's traded, it's only like $2m extra in cap for 2021.

[PeaveyFury]

Okay, ignoring the cap issue and the fact that the Packers would only have 1 QB signed. If the trade was Love + GB 4th Rounder for NE Pats #15 would you do it?

 

Yes, that I'd do for sure. In my completely unqualified opinion as a talent evaluator, I'd think a first or second would be enough motivation for GB to consider moving him. A mid-first? Yep.

[nodakfan17]

Love for #15? Absolutely.

 

Love + #29 + 4th Rounder for #15? Hard pass.*

 

* unless the Packers privately believe he’s a bust; then get what you can while that information is still internal.

[xisxisxis]

I would do it too, but I think what we've seen from the Packers since the drama queen commented on his situation 5 minutes after losing the NFCCG is that the Packers are saying he's the man while their actions have been to keep open the option of moving on from him in 2022. If that's the case they aren't going to be tempted to deal Love.

[nodakfan17]

If trading Love this offseason was a good possibility, I think the Packers probably would have retained Tim Boyle.

[HiAndTight]

I am going to preface this by saying I am neither a cap expert nor do I play one on TV, but...

 

Per spotrac, it appears as though trading or waiving Love this year would cause 9+ million of dead money to be counted against this years cap. That alone would seem to make this trade virtually impossible before even considering some of the other comments in this thread.

 

Love has one of those weird contracts where his dead cap if TRADED is different than if he's released. If he's traded, it's only like $2m extra in cap for 2021.

 

 

It's just because the salaries are guaranteed. I'm pretty sure that's how it is with just about all rookie deals since the rookie contract scale. The #26 pick will probably get roughly the same contract next year. It was a little surprising to find that they're doing this a bit more often with these extensions like with Goff, but that's another topic.

[HiAndTight]

For #15? Yeah I'd do it. You'd be wise to extend Rodgers after I think.

 

 

I think I'd do it as well...but it's probably not a smart trade.

 

Edit-I just saw the question you're responding to was JUST for Love+4th for 15. That's kinda a no-brainer. I thought this was still Love, 29+4th for NE's 1st. I'd do both, but Love and a 4th for the 15th pick would make it a lot-lot easier to make that decision.

 

But as a fan who's so sick of losing, 15 gives you a better shot at finding an immediate starter, and from a personal standpoint, it moves you up to a spot where you're still capable of making another trade and moving up to get Sewell. A guy I think will be a dominant HOF caliber LT for a long time.

 

It's pretty fantastical and obviously not something the Packers are likely to do(or they'd have converted Rodgers roster bonuses at the very least this off-season).

 

But it's an interesting scenario.

[adambr2]

Love for #15? Absolutely.

 

Love + #29 + 4th Rounder for #15? Hard pass.*

 

* unless the Packers privately believe he’s a bust; then get what you can while that information is still internal.

 

From what I read the proposal was Love+4th rounder for #15 overall. No #29 involved. If #29 had to go back that would make me a no as well.

[HiAndTight]

Love for #15? Absolutely.

 

Love + #29 + 4th Rounder for #15? Hard pass.*

 

* unless the Packers privately believe he’s a bust; then get what you can while that information is still internal.

 

From what I read the proposal was Love+4th rounder for #15 overall. No #29 involved. If #29 had to go back that would make me a no as well.

 

 

I misunderstood as well. I jumped from the original trade to you answering "would you do it," and skipped over the Packer's 1st being taken out.

 

A Packers draft with Darrisaw and Newsome in the first and then Rondale Moore in the 2nd. One can dream.

[HiAndTight]

The Packers may get lucky this year because it appears that OT is very deep and CB incredibly deep; unfortunately, DT is looking very thin.

 

Aside from 1st round possibilities (Newsome, Horn, Stokes, Samuel; Surtain and Farley will likely be long gone), some quality CBs that could be available in the late 2nd round or later: Tyson Campbell, Melifonwu, Adebo, Trill Williams, Aaron Robinson, Mukuamu, Molden, St. Juste, Wade among others.

 

Some quality day-3 possibilities: Robert Rochell, Thomas Graham, Bryan Mills, Shakur Brown

 

My personal round-3-or-later guy that nobody has been talking about: Nate Hobbs of Illinois. Compare his pro-day numbers to Jaire Alexander's combine numbers:

 

Alexander: 70.25" height, 192 lbs, 4.38 40, 35" vert, 127" broad, 3.98 SS, 6.71 3-cone

Hobbs: 71.5" height, 189 lbs, 4.39 40, 40.5" vert, 135" broad, 3.96 SS, 6.68 3-cone

That's alot of guys for at least one of them to not slide down to 29. It happens every year where players slide down further in the draft than they should (like Rodgers). Then again I'm not a draft expert either.

 

 

That could be Farley this year. It seems unlikely as he was considered the top CB in this class, but as you pointed out, guys fall every year. His back surgery could be enough to scare teams away. At least in the top 10-15 and that's how slides start.

[nodakfan17]

Love for #15? Absolutely.

 

Love + #29 + 4th Rounder for #15? Hard pass.*

 

* unless the Packers privately believe he’s a bust; then get what you can while that information is still internal.

 

From what I read the proposal was Love+4th rounder for #15 overall. No #29 involved. If #29 had to go back that would make me a no as well.

 

FWIW, I read a rumor with the 29th pick included.

 

I would trade Love plus a 4th rounder for #15, but would not make that trade if #29 was involved.

[Underachiever]

Love for #15? Absolutely.

 

Love + #29 + 4th Rounder for #15? Hard pass.*

 

* unless the Packers privately believe he’s a bust; then get what you can while that information is still internal.

 

From what I read the proposal was Love+4th rounder for #15 overall. No #29 involved. If #29 had to go back that would make me a no as well.

 

 

I misunderstood as well. I jumped from the original trade to you answering "would you do it," and skipped over the Packer's 1st being taken out.

 

A Packers draft with Darrisaw and Newsome in the first and then Rondale Moore in the 2nd. One can dream.

Do you believe that Rondale Moore will stay healthy? I have nothing to base it on, but just think he will have a tough time staying on the field. Maybe because he has only played seven games the last two years. 2018 was a long time ago. Then again, I was sure that TJ Watt was going to be injured a lot, so what do I know.

[HiAndTight]

Do you believe that Rondale Moore will stay healthy? I have nothing to base it on, but just think he will have a tough time staying on the field. Maybe because he has only played seven games the last two years. 2018 was a long time ago. Then again, I was sure that TJ Watt was going to be injured a lot, so what do I know.

 

 

I can only hope. I'm not even a little qualified to answer that...BUT, I have torn an ACL and came back just as strong as I was before, so as a fan, I wouldn't write a guy off because of a couple lower leg injuries. But there are so many more unknowns with so many guys taking a year off.

 

So I'm just looking at it as the type of athlete he is, the fit he'd be with the Packers, the guy who goes into motion and gets the ball at or near the LOS early in his career while he develops as a WR'er.

 

And then without the injuries, he'd almost certainly be gone before the Packers picked.