Packer 2021 Draft Discussion- Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia; Round 2 Josh Myers, C, Ohio State; 3: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson

[PeaveyFury]

Wisconsin's pro day was today, and at first glance it doesn't sound like there was anything of surprise/significance. Not terribly shocking since it's really not a high-profile group of UW guys coming out this year.

[HiAndTight]

So what's Jones gonna be worth? A 3rd?

 

 

Or a 4th, I don't know. But now there are reports they're trying to re-sign him.

 

Seems like having him under the franchise tag, thereby extending the window to have exclusive negotiating rights would be much longer, but maybe that was a gesture of goodwill by the Packers and they're close to a deal. They were apparently close to one earlier this year in terms of AAV, just not with guaranteed money.

 

 

I am pretty confident I know a little bit about football and I'm far more confident that everyone working in the Packers front office knows a HELLUVA lot more than I do, but I don't get not tagging him and still trying to extend him right before Free Agency.

 

Keep in contact with the guy. Let him go see what the offers look like and then bring him back. As great as he is, he did deal with injuries his first two years...so a 5 year 60 million dollar deal with 30 guaranteed...that just doesn't make any sense to me. But again...I'm just a fan. So I'll trust the guy who actually know what they're doing will figure it out.

[HiAndTight]

comp picks out, packers get a 4th, 5th, and 6th.

I'll assume the 4th for Bulaga, 5th for Martinez, and 6th for Fackrell?

 

The 4th was for Martinez, and the 5th was for Bulaga. Bulaga was downgraded value-wise for having 10 accrued seasons before signing as a free agent.

 

We do get the 1st of the 5th round picks for Bulaga. So...that's something.

 

 

This is another thing I don't understand. He didn't accrue his 10th season until he got to SD. So why does that impact his compensation? He would have been a 4th if he only had 9 seasons...but they count the season after he leaves the team? Meh, strange way to factor it in.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

comp picks out, packers get a 4th, 5th, and 6th.

I'll assume the 4th for Bulaga, 5th for Martinez, and 6th for Fackrell?

 

The 4th was for Martinez, and the 5th was for Bulaga. Bulaga was downgraded value-wise for having 10 accrued seasons before signing as a free agent.

 

We do get the 1st of the 5th round picks for Bulaga. So...that's something.

 

 

This is another thing I don't understand. He didn't accrue his 10th season until he got to SD. So why does that impact his compensation? He would have been a 4th if he only had 9 seasons...but they count the season after he leaves the team? Meh, strange way to factor it in.

 

I agree. I was under the assumption that he'd garner a 4th for sure, but I think it was Silverstein that pointed out that 10th season thing. And get this ... it doesn't apply to QBs that have 10 accrued seasons, which is why the Pats got a 3rd for Brady.

 

Bulaga was drafted in 2010, so he did play 10 seasons for the Packers.

[HiAndTight]

of course not, that would be insane. it was more of a tongue in cheek comment. And yes, Lowry is a good player who signed an extension and got unrealistic expectations. Plus he was a 4th round pick not a 1st or 2nd, so he should have different expectations.

 

 

That's how I took it since I said I like Northwestern guys and Iowa Guys.

 

I actually still kinda like Lowry. It's Lancaster that I think is truly terrible. But Lowry's at least a guy you can count on to play hard, play smart, do his job. He got overpaid when they extended him and he's just a backup.

 

 

But when you get a player who has all those traits, but instead of being a short-armed DE, they're an extremely athletic, long CB?

 

Newsome seems like one of those guys that ends up being a rock solid, #2-type boundary corner for like 10 seasons. He was previously projected by many as a 2nd rounder, but he may have run himself into the first yesterday.

 

Exactly what we need on the other side of Jaire. Should provide the opportunity to get quite a few picks playing on the other side of him and he sounds like a guy who could step in and start right out of the gate.

 

Now watch this guy end up as a 3rd round pick and the Packers pass on him 3 times like Josh Jones last year when he was projected at this time to go in the 20's.

[HiAndTight]

 

I agree. I was under the assumption that he'd garner a 4th for sure, but I think it was Silverstein that pointed out that 10th season thing. And get this ... it doesn't apply to QBs that have 10 accrued seasons, which is why the Pats got a 3rd for Brady.

 

Bulaga was drafted in 2010, so he did play 10 seasons for the Packers.

 

 

Ah...my bad. I'd forgotten he'd missed all of a season with an injury and just counted the years he'd played.

[CheezWizHed]

Still seems odd to downgrade compensation for vets. Losing someone of value is losing someone of value. Does it really matter their age or tenure?

[HiAndTight]

Still seems odd to downgrade compensation for vets. Losing someone of value is losing someone of value. Does it really matter their age or tenure?

 

There are a lot of things that don't make sense to me with comp picks. If a player has an option and the team turns it down, they can still get a comp pick for that player. A vet being worth less as long as it's not a QB.

 

Also, I believe they changed this rule, but you could cut players before week 10 so it wouldn't have an impact on comp picks. I remember the Bears doing this with Mike Davis a few years ago.

 

I have a feeling the Packers are planning on getting 2 3rd round picks next year for Linsley and Jones and that will likely play a role in any FA they may sign.

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents

 

I think we're likely to see more Jordan Lewis(CB-Dallas) type signings to near minimum contracts. Though one guy that sounds really-really intriguing is Hassan Reddick. Went from a bust as an off-ball LB'er until the Cards played him at OLB'er where he was like Khalil Mack.

 

Prove me wrong Gutey. Clear some cap space and fill a hole before the draft so we're not trying to fix 4 glaring holes in the draft.

[LouisEly]

Still seems odd to downgrade compensation for vets. Losing someone of value is losing someone of value. Does it really matter their age or tenure?

I think it's meant to be a small incentive to resign veterans. If a guy might net you a 3rd or 4th you might let him walk, but if the most you can get is a 5th then maybe you think about resigning him.

[HiAndTight]

Still seems odd to downgrade compensation for vets. Losing someone of value is losing someone of value. Does it really matter their age or tenure?

I think it's meant to be a small incentive to resign veterans. If a guy might net you a 3rd or 4th you might let him walk, but if the most you can get is a 5th then maybe you think about resigning him.

 

 

I guess that makes sense, but teams do this with younger players. One of the reasons the Pats let Trent Brown and Trey Flowers leave a few years ago was because they were going to net them 3rd round picks.

 

Like the QO, it's being used differently than initially intended. It was meant as a way to compensate the less attractive teams who were trying to retain talent, but struggling to do so.

 

Not it seems like the smart teams have years they try to add comp picks and years they know they won't, so they're more aggressive.

 

For instance...lets say you're almost certain to get 2 3rd round picks as compensation. It would seem as though the chances you sign a big name FA is pretty low.

[brewcrewdue80]

Where GB is in regards to cap space, do the draft picks become something to consider? If GB trades down out of a 1st, do comparable trade value equal more, less, or equal value to what rookie pay will be? How about vice versa? Trading up with multiple picks save money paying upgraded pick for 1 over paying the 2-3 picks you gave up?

[PeaveyFury]

Where GB is in regards to cap space, do the draft picks become something to consider? If GB trades down out of a 1st, do comparable trade value equal more, less, or equal value to what rookie pay will be? How about vice versa? Trading up with multiple picks save money paying upgraded pick for 1 over paying the 2-3 picks you gave up?

 

I suppose it would depend on the trade/return, but the expected cap hit of, say, a 2nd and a 3rd would provide a negligible decline in their expected cap expense if getting that for their 1st. Packaging their 1st and 2nd to move up to the late teens or so would probably increase the expected cap some, but not by gigantic amount.

 

I think their total cap pool is expected to be $9 million.

[HiAndTight]

I just saw a mock on the NFL Network that had Penei Sewell drop into the Teens.

 

People were talking about him being a Ogden level type LT prospect last season, now I'm seeing him move down draft boards. I wonder at what point is makes sense to try and trade up if you target someone you think is worth it.

 

Start him out at RT, then move him back to LT in a few years when Bahk's done. Of course it's extremely unlikely, but if you identify a guy who you believe can make that type of impact?

 

Atlanta in 2011 had the 26th pick. They traded their 1st(26), 2nd(59), 4th(118) and their 1st the following year.

 

That's a TON to give up obviously, but just throwing it out there. With 10 picks this year, including an extra pick in the 4th, 5th and 6th...and Gutekunst's propensity for moving up, I wouldn't mind seeing the Packers do this.

 

The Eagles would be an obvious team as they've already committed to going with Hurts this year at #6, but Denver at #9 or the Giants at #11 could also be teams we could work with.

[CheezWizHed]

Did you give up on Nijman already?

[reillymcshane]

So, answer this one if you like.

 

If the Packers had players of EQUAL value at all positions available for our 1st round pick - what position would you select.

 

I'm not asking what person you'd pick - but what position you would fill (again, assuming you valued each player equally).

 

Just curious.

[HiAndTight]

Did you give up on Nijman already?

 

 

Ha! Nah...just bored and speculating. Seeing if anyone would agree.

 

And I don't see an excess of supremely athletic Tackles being a problem in the near future.

[HiAndTight]

So, answer this one if you like.

 

If the Packers had players of EQUAL value at all positions available for our 1st round pick - what position would you select.

 

I'm not asking what person you'd pick - but what position you would fill (again, assuming you valued each player equally).

 

Just curious.

 

 

OT

Then CB

Then DE

 

So we'll probably draft Travis Etienne in the first round(and trade up to do it).

[nate82]

So, answer this one if you like.

 

If the Packers had players of EQUAL value at all positions available for our 1st round pick - what position would you select.

 

I'm not asking what person you'd pick - but what position you would fill (again, assuming you valued each player equally).

 

Just curious.

 

[sarcasm]QB, QB and then QB[/sarcasm]

 

would be an interesting offseason on this board.

[brewcrewdue80]

I just saw a mock on the NFL Network that had Penei Sewell drop into the Teens.

 

People were talking about him being a Ogden level type LT prospect last season, now I'm seeing him move down draft boards. I wonder at what point is makes sense to try and trade up if you target someone you think is worth it.

 

Start him out at RT, then move him back to LT in a few years when Bahk's done. Of course it's extremely unlikely, but if you identify a guy who you believe can make that type of impact?

 

Atlanta in 2011 had the 26th pick. They traded their 1st(26), 2nd(59), 4th(118) and their 1st the following year.

 

That's a TON to give up obviously, but just throwing it out there. With 10 picks this year, including an extra pick in the 4th, 5th and 6th...and Gutekunst's propensity for moving up, I wouldn't mind seeing the Packers do this.

 

The Eagles would be an obvious team as they've already committed to going with Hurts this year at #6, but Denver at #9 or the Giants at #11 could also be teams we could work with.

 

Well Gute has moved up in 1st rd each of last 2 seasons. Think he's got the bolded covered when it's his guy.

[HiAndTight]

I just saw a mock on the NFL Network that had Penei Sewell drop into the Teens.

 

People were talking about him being a Ogden level type LT prospect last season, now I'm seeing him move down draft boards. I wonder at what point is makes sense to try and trade up if you target someone you think is worth it.

 

Start him out at RT, then move him back to LT in a few years when Bahk's done. Of course it's extremely unlikely, but if you identify a guy who you believe can make that type of impact?

 

Atlanta in 2011 had the 26th pick. They traded their 1st(26), 2nd(59), 4th(118) and their 1st the following year.

 

That's a TON to give up obviously, but just throwing it out there. With 10 picks this year, including an extra pick in the 4th, 5th and 6th...and Gutekunst's propensity for moving up, I wouldn't mind seeing the Packers do this.

 

The Eagles would be an obvious team as they've already committed to going with Hurts this year at #6, but Denver at #9 or the Giants at #11 could also be teams we could work with.

 

Well Gute has moved up in 1st rd each of last 2 seasons. Think he's got the bolded covered when it's his guy.

 

 

Actually, he moved up every season. Savage, Jaire and Love.

 

But I'm suggesting giving up a boatload of picks to move up from the backend of the 1st to move into the top 10.

 

I don't actually think there's any chance they'd actually do it...but there's no combine, and we can only talk about so many mock drafts. So, just seeing what people would think if they actually did it. Though I'm guessing people would be more excited for Chase or a skill position player.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

So, answer this one if you like.

 

If the Packers had players of EQUAL value at all positions available for our 1st round pick - what position would you select.

 

I'm not asking what person you'd pick - but what position you would fill (again, assuming you valued each player equally).

 

Just curious.

 

Offensive Tackle

Cornerback

Middle Linebacker

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

So, answer this one if you like.

 

If the Packers had players of EQUAL value at all positions available for our 1st round pick - what position would you select.

 

I'm not asking what person you'd pick - but what position you would fill (again, assuming you valued each player equally).

 

Just curious.

 

Corner

Offensive tackle

DE/DT (essentially the same position in this defense)

Inside LB

Slot WR

[patrickgpe]

I doubt he falls past 5, but who knows. That being said, I do not think the packers have the ability to be giving up the farm to move up 15-20 spots. If you do, you better make sure he is a pro-bowler for the next decade.

 

I think the packers can get a good OT at 29 or just have to move up a few spots, not swing for the fences.

[CheezWizHed]

Did you give up on Nijman already?

 

 

Ha! Nah...just bored and speculating. Seeing if anyone would agree.

 

And I don't see an excess of supremely athletic Tackles being a problem in the near future.

 

I thought it was funny because I was just looking back at Nijman's draft profile and thinking about his potential when I see you post about a massive trade-up to draft a tackle. And I knew you were a fan.

 

So, answer this one if you like.

 

If the Packers had players of EQUAL value at all positions available for our 1st round pick - what position would you select.

 

I'm not asking what person you'd pick - but what position you would fill (again, assuming you valued each player equally).

 

Just curious.

 

I'm not as high at the need for a tackle as others. For one, I think it is easier to find a vet RT to step in. And I'm eating my words from last year that Turner was actually good at T. So if we Bahk,Turner,Warner-like vet, 4th round OT, I think we are covered there. Of course, that assumes appropriate injury progress on Bahk's part.

 

IMO our needs in order of priority:

[sarcasm]Punter: Kidding, not kidding.[/sarcasm]

 

CB - I think this is pretty clearly our highest need. King is a FA, Sullivan is potentially (if we don't tender a 2nd round, which isn't a given). Neither was great last year. Jaire island secures the one side, but we currently have Jackson, Hollman, and some PS level players at a position where 3 CBs are typically considered starters. Even if Sullivan is retained, there is a need for a starter and depth. A two CB draft (one high, one low) is not out of the question.

 

WR - This one is a sneaky need. WRs take time to develop most of the time. We have Adam (top tier WR) and a bunch of question marks. I think Lazard and MVS have potential to be #2 WRs, but have a ways to go to get there. Lazard has had injury issues. MVS is developing, but still very inconsistent and doesn't have much for a short route tree. Funchess was regressing before getting injured one year and sitting out another. Taylor has some athletic potential. St. Brown just doesn't impress me at all - lots of athleticism, but showing nothing for it. So picking a WR is more for next year's needs than this year.

 

DL - This is probably equal to WR and for similar reasons. Unless you get someone early in round 1, it seems like DL take a year or so to be impactful. Obviously, this could change if Lowry is cut.

 

OT - As I said above, I think the wiser move here is a veteran OT and a 4th round draft. We seem to do well in the 4th round for whatever reason.

 

MLB and Safety are also needs to build depth, but I wouldn't be looking at a first round pick in any case for either of these.

[HiAndTight]

Did you give up on Nijman already?

 

 

Ha! Nah...just bored and speculating. Seeing if anyone would agree.

 

And I don't see an excess of supremely athletic Tackles being a problem in the near future.

 

I thought it was funny because I was just looking back at Nijman's draft profile and thinking about his potential when I see you post about a massive trade-up to draft a tackle. And I knew you were a fan.

 

 

I'm a fan of his athletic ability. And I'm guessing there is something there that the Packers like as he's been active for the post-season the last two years, but that's just it. Guessing. It's like being a fan of Antoine Kelly and then not seeing any results from him for 3 years. Has he turned into a stud...is he still talented but has major flaws?

 

I'll be a fan until they prove they can't be successful. That could be a big wildcard. Maybe we do nothing at OT and it's because only our FO knows we've got our next stud in place...but I'm not a big enough fan to want to go into the season with him as a starter. I'm also a little skeptical about Turner out there...and even more so if we lose Williams and Lewis as they both helped out a ton in pass protection. I think we covered up for Turner, but maybe that's not giving him the credit he's due.

 

More than anything, I just think if you can lock down those two tackle spots, Rodgers is just about unstoppable. With the running game, Bahk should be back and playing at an elite level with the way ACL's are repaired now and how tackles of his caliber tend to age.

 

It was unquestionably a video game-esque move most likely. [sarcasm]But if I was Gutey...I'd be paying someone right now to see if they could get pics of him in a bong mask and be ready to grab Sewell![/sarcasm]