Packer 2021 Draft Discussion- Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia; Round 2 Josh Myers, C, Ohio State; 3: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson

[rob42081]

Been a follower for years and I jump in on draft stuff and trade stuff from time to time.. But thanks

[HiAndTight]

Some teams use the interviews to throw other teams off there guys some dont. Basically the only team that adheres to RAS more is the saints. Yosh wasn't drafted by them but ok. Using the metrics for receiver that Gutey apparently has there was only like 5 draftable receivers last year so normally getting attached to any receiver outside the metric is pointless, but this year might change even though i'll believe it when I see it

 

 

No, they didn't draft Yosh, but he was a UDFA they went after pretty aggressively...and I believe he's been on the roster the last two post-seasons.

 

 

Gutey does certainly seem to prioritize size and athleticism more than Thompson did, but I'd be surprised if he had so few WR'ers as draftable last year. If a guy like Huggs would have fallen...and MLF wasn't instant on drafting Love, I'm sure he'd have taken him.

 

I'm guessing these are just loose guidelines...otherwise, Adams himself would likely be off the board if he were in the draft today. Pretty pedestrian RAS and not a particularly big or long WR'er.

[nodakfan17]

Good story this morning from Pete Dougherty this morning on the prospect of a "tag and trade" deal with Aaron Jones. He said two personnel men he talked with said Jones should fetch a 2021 2nd round pick in a trade. With so many positions that could use an infusion of high-end talent, I think this is the route they will likely go.

Apologies if I missed this, but don’t they have to be under the cap by the full RB tag amount to be able to flip Jones? That seems like a tall order, given how COVID has complicated the Packers’ cap situation.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Good story this morning from Pete Dougherty this morning on the prospect of a "tag and trade" deal with Aaron Jones. He said two personnel men he talked with said Jones should fetch a 2021 2nd round pick in a trade. With so many positions that could use an infusion of high-end talent, I think this is the route they will likely go.

Apologies if I missed this, but don’t they have to be under the cap by the full RB tag amount to be able to flip Jones? That seems like a tall order, given how COVID has complicated the Packers’ cap situation.

 

They would have to restructure or extend Rodgers, and restructure Adams, along with make a few other moves. But it could be done. Not super easily, but I think this is the best course of action, rather than just to let him walk for a 2022 4th round comp pick. That's what the article said as well.

[GAME05]

Probably worth the gamble that someone will want to give up a 2nd for Jones. Next-best FA RB is maybe Kenyan Drake, so a pretty big slide to the #2.

 

I'll be curious if GB would be willing to restructure Rodgers at all. Anything Rodgers agrees to would likely be all about making it harder for GB to trade him and securing the remainder of his contract in GB. Is GB willing to give up that sorta-flexibility?

[HiAndTight]

Probably worth the gamble that someone will want to give up a 2nd for Jones. Next-best FA RB is maybe Kenyan Drake, so a pretty big slide to the #2.

 

I'll be curious if GB would be willing to restructure Rodgers at all. Anything Rodgers agrees to would likely be all about making it harder for GB to trade him and securing the remainder of his contract in GB. Is GB willing to give up that sorta-flexibility?

 

 

I think it's worth the gamble even if you keep him. RB's aren't worth the long-term deals because they usually don't play well at the end, not because they don't play well on the front end. 8 million for a full year of Jones and Dillon? That's worth it.

 

Then throw in an extra 2nd, particularly from Jax would REALLY be worth it as it'd be like having 2 firsts.

 

So it's a win-win either way.

[HiAndTight]

Good story this morning from Pete Dougherty this morning on the prospect of a "tag and trade" deal with Aaron Jones. He said two personnel men he talked with said Jones should fetch a 2021 2nd round pick in a trade. With so many positions that could use an infusion of high-end talent, I think this is the route they will likely go.

Apologies if I missed this, but don’t they have to be under the cap by the full RB tag amount to be able to flip Jones? That seems like a tall order, given how COVID has complicated the Packers’ cap situation.

 

 

 

If we were the Saints, we'd sign 4 or 5 different FA's this off-season after extending Linsley, Jones, Adams, and whoever else they wanted to.

 

It really shouldn't be that difficult. They're talking to Rodgers agent(or at least have talked to him). They can save a big chunk of it by just restructuring him like they did Bakhtiari, and then doing the same with Za'Darius Smith.

 

Then extend Adams and they should be fine.

 

They're planning on bringing Peston Smith back, but hopefully, they've talked to him and his agent about taking a pay cut. That dude has to know he did not play like a guy who should get 16 million this year.

 

Plus, one of these days, the NFL is going to have to tell teams what the actual cap is.

[LouisEly]

I'm going to save everyone some time, and maybe ruin the fun when it comes to the draft.. Gutey telegraphs his draft strategy for the most part.

1- If they bring you in for a meeting(now virtual) that means if you are there at a pick in there value range they will prolly pick you.. In the previous 3 drafts there has been only 6 players picked they didn't interview.. This is a Ted Thompson thing

Since the beginning of the TT era, the Packers have never brought in a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. The highest they have drafted anyone they brought in has been the 3rd round.

[HiAndTight]

I'm going to save everyone some time, and maybe ruin the fun when it comes to the draft.. Gutey telegraphs his draft strategy for the most part.

1- If they bring you in for a meeting(now virtual) that means if you are there at a pick in there value range they will prolly pick you.. In the previous 3 drafts there has been only 6 players picked they didn't interview.. This is a Ted Thompson thing

Since the beginning of the TT era, the Packers have never brought in a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. The highest they have drafted anyone they brought in has been the 3rd round.

 

 

Really? I guess he's using a pretty broad term when he says interview as they interview or talk to a lot of players. They talked to Love a few times last year, but I don't believe they ever brought him in for an interview.

 

But it's a little surprising to hear they haven't brought in a pick in the first two rounds since Thompson took over.

[LouisEly]

They did talk to Love, but I'm pretty sure it was virtual.

 

But prior to 2020, the highest they have ever drafted someone they brought in was Jace Sternberger (3rd) and Oren Burks (3rd). They also spoke with Deguara (3rd) last year, but again, pretty sure it was virtual.

[HiAndTight]

They did talk to Love, but I'm pretty sure it was virtual.

 

But prior to 2020, the highest they have ever drafted someone they brought in was Jace Sternberger (3rd) and Oren Burks (3rd). They also spoke with Deguara (3rd) last year, but again, pretty sure it was virtual.

 

 

I guess that's the sticking point then. What's an "interview." They interview 60 people at the combine(though that may have dropped last year) and they're "in contact" with SO many more players, it seems like you end up talking to just about every player...so it wouldn't be surprising if they'd just had a phone call with someone they picked...not much different from a zoom call. So if that's the criteria, I'd be more surprised if they had picked someone they hadn't talked to.

 

I did find this article. It mentions that Oren Burks was the highest drafted player they'd actually picked since 2013.

 

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/nfl-draft-2019-packers/2019/4/3/18293967/the-packers-usually-acquire-several-players-who-take-pre-draft-visits-to-green-bay

 

I wasn't questioning you, that just struck me as kinda odd. Almost intentional, trying to not give away who they want to pick.

[HiAndTight]

Rashod Bateman ran a 4.39(4.37 hand-timed) at a recent unsanctioned Combine-type event(one NFL personnel are banned from attending).

 

Given his strengths are supposed to be his toughness, hand catching, and NFL-ready route-running, and savvy...while the knock against him is his big-play ability, I wonder what this will do to his draft status.

 

Viewed as an early to mid 2nd in this draft, could this push him up...or could this make him a bigger target for the Packers to use the extra picks they've got to go up and get him?

 

Also, for whatever reason, it looks like Waddle is moving past Smith in several mock drafts as Ruggs moved past Jeudy last year.

 

 

I still believe they should take an OT, especially given how good of a class this is for OT's, and OL in general, but last year was the year of the WR'er and the Packers took 3 OL and a QB in the 1st, so who knows what they'll do.

[LouisEly]

Northwestern's star CB Greg Newsome II reportedly ran a 4.31 on his first attempt at their pro day.

 

No wonder it was so hard for the Badgers' receivers to get open.

[HiAndTight]

Northwestern's star CB Greg Newsome II reportedly ran a 4.31 on his first attempt at their pro day.

 

No wonder it was so hard for the Badgers' receivers to get open.

 

 

I saw 4.38. 4.31 is absolutely insane for a long, stick CB.

 

Love Northwestern guys like I love Iowa players. They are all so well-coached, disciplined and they do not seem to struggle with the mental aspects of playing at the next level.

 

I would be very happy if the Packers used their top 2 picks on Wildcats. Shore up their OL and their secondary. Could happen. Slater could also go in the 3rd round and Newsome could end up a top 15 pick. We all know how fluid player movement is at this time of the year.

 

But this kid SEEMS like he's got a pretty high floor and an enormous upside.

[patrickgpe]

last NU kid they drafted was Lowry, who has shown some signs but is hardly lighting the world on fire.

[CheezWizHed]

last NU kid they drafted was Lowry, who has shown some signs but is hardly lighting the world on fire.

 

[sarcasm]Good. We want him to play FB and not be a pyromaniac.[/sarcasm]

 

1) Lowry was a good pick. He has struggled lately, but overall a good pick.

2) Lowry's success or struggles has nothing to do with any other NW player. Are you saying the university (where they didn't actually even play together) somehow has a bearing on Lowry or Newsome's success potential?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

last NU kid they drafted was Lowry, who has shown some signs but is hardly lighting the world on fire.

 

[sarcasm]Good. We want him to play FB and not be a pyromaniac.[/sarcasm]

 

1) Lowry was a good pick. He has struggled lately, but overall a good pick.

2) Lowry's success or struggles has nothing to do with any other NW player. Are you saying the university (where they didn't actually even play together) somehow has a bearing on Lowry or Newsome's success potential?

 

It feels like perhaps the contract extension that Lowry signed has placed some unrealistic expectations on him in the eyes of some fans. Lowry is perfectly fine role player in a defense that was designed to highlight certain positions (DE not being one of them). He fills his gap fine, is decent most of the time against the run, and can sometimes get a little push as a pass rusher. He's a try-hard guy who gets the most out of limited athleticism. No defense is going to have a star at every spot, so he's fine as an unassuming member of a solid defensive front. To me, he personifies what comes to mind as a typical Northwestern player (smart, selfless, athletically limited, but gets the most out of his ability). If Newsome was coached up in the same manner, given his obvious athletic gifts, he could be a stud.

[patrickgpe]

of course not, that would be insane. it was more of a tongue in cheek comment. And yes, Lowry is a good player who signed an extension and got unrealistic expectations. Plus he was a 4th round pick not a 1st or 2nd, so he should have different expectations.

[PeaveyFury]

Newsome seems like one of those guys that ends up being a rock solid, #2-type boundary corner for like 10 seasons. He was previously projected by many as a 2nd rounder, but he may have run himself into the first yesterday.

[patrickgpe]

isn't staying healthy his biggest concern? Hard to commit to a 1st round pick for a guy who can't stay on the field

[pacopete4]

Why is the combine even still a thing? Watch the film.

[CheezWizHed]

I think the combine gives a better "apples to apples" comparison.. Everyone is working with one the same drills on the same surface and the same environment. Its just one data point, but still a useful one.

[patrickgpe]

comp picks out, packers get a 4th, 5th, and 6th.

I'll assume the 4th for Bulaga, 5th for Martinez, and 6th for Fackrell?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

comp picks out, packers get a 4th, 5th, and 6th.

I'll assume the 4th for Bulaga, 5th for Martinez, and 6th for Fackrell?

 

The 4th was for Martinez, and the 5th was for Bulaga. Bulaga was downgraded value-wise for having 10 accrued seasons before signing as a free agent.

[homer]

So what's Jones gonna be worth? A 3rd?