Packer 2021 Draft Discussion- Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia; Round 2 Josh Myers, C, Ohio State; 3: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson

[nodakfan17]

The more highlights I watch of Amari Rodgers the more I wonder how the heck he lasted until the 3rd round. Does he get downgraded for having a really, really, good quarterback or something?

I’m going to guess he gets downgraded due to his size and the ACL tear from 2 years ago. Sounds like the Packers still had a second round grade on him. I like the pick, FWIW.

 

Tee Martin wasn’t big by QB standards (6’2’’), but still taller. I bet Rodgers is a first rounder if he had his dad’s height.

[PinaMadness]

I give the Packers draft a C. I give everybody else's draft a C. I give every draft class in history a C. Because the vast majority of the time, half the guys don't pan out, being at best serviceable backups for a few years before they're out of the league.

[patrickgpe]

That rational logic has no place here

[homer]

I like this Uphoff guy they picked up as an UDFA.

[CheezWizHed]

I give the Packers draft a C. I give everybody else's draft a C. I give every draft class in history a C. Because the vast majority of the time, half the guys don't pan out, being at best serviceable backups for a few years before they're out of the league.

 

I grade this comment a C.

 

But in a few years, there will be A drafts and F drafts... so you're probably more accurate than anyone else giving out the As and Bs.

[xisxisxis]

As Rodney Dangerfield put it so well in "Back to School",

 

You got a C? A, B, C ... you're in the top 3!

[PinaMadness]

As Rodney Dangerfield put it so well in "Back to School",

 

You got a C? A, B, C ... you're in the top 3!

Great movie.

[patrickgpe]

Walterfootball gave the packers draft an F because they didn’t draft a receiver in the 1st and “reached” for Rodgers in the 3rd. I’m about done with that website, he is taking himself way too seriously

[xisxisxis]

I liked his comment:

 

"Despite adding two blockers in the first four rounds, I don't think they did enough to improve their collapsing offensive line. "

 

What collapsing offensive line?

 

Then this part:

 

"They largely failed to address needs; they reached on players; they allowed the Bears to land a franchise quarterback; and they drove Aaron Rodgers out of town. How is that not worthy of a failing grade?"

 

What? They drafted a Center who is projected ready to go as a starter Day 1 which allows them to Slide Jenkins into the LT spot until Back returns. Allowing the Bears to land a franchise quasterback?

 

Does he think teams can veto other teams picks? He thought the Packers should have traded away multiple 1sts/early round picks to get into the 7/8 range to get ahead of the Bears. Anyone who makes that kind of statement has NO credibility. An internet troll has more credibility...

 

Drove Aaron Rodgers out of town? Idiot...

[homer]

Wow. That Bears comment tops every stupid draft comment out there by a mile. I want to sign up for his website just to leave a message on how galactically stupid that is but I am certain that site is crawling with viruses - some web-based and some living.

[areacodes]

His comments on the Broncos draft were equally cringeworthy. Talking about how it was okay that they didn’t draft a QB because of the Rodgers rumors and that the Broncos have done a good job of building a talented roster around Rodgers.

 

“the Broncos did well to add talent around Rodgers, which is a vast departure from what the Packers have been doing. The Broncos didn't need a receiver from all the talent they obtained at the position in 2019, so they secured a running back, Javonte Williams, to split the workload with Melvin Gordon.”

[patrickgpe]

I feel like 20 years ago the post draft grades were based on filling needs (ie I can't believe the packers took a OT when they needed a RB and player X was available, you get a C). , now if don't follow that bloggers draft boards you get dinged. Granted none of this matters, and its mostly just fun and banter for fans, but that website that I have been reading for probably 20 years, is pretty much unreadable these days. (to the point I think Walter, is no longer the original Walter????)

[GAME05]

All the talk about 5th and 6th rounders filling needs or 'Why'd they take a TE in the 7th round when they're deep in that area?' is also pretty comical to me. At that stage in the draft I'm happy enough that they're still on the team a year later.

[SeaBass]

Late round draft choices and UDFAs, if they make the active roster at all, are much more likely to be contributing on special teams than in the base offense or defense. A few break through as diamonds in the rough but they're basically lottery tickets or developmental players on the practice squad.

[reillymcshane]

There's nothing wrong with grading drafts. Obviously, a team has immediate and future needs to address. And the spot they pick makes a difference. And there are often other factors in play.

 

Grades should NOT be about will a team have better picks than other teams. It's about getting value with the currency you have.

 

In the end, is a team acquiring players that equate to draft slot? Are they addressing areas of need (future, immediate, etc.)? Finding value and filling need generally is going to be looked on favorably.

 

Of course, everyone person and organization has different rankings, so grading is subjective.

 

Example: Cleveland landed Greg Newsome at #26. ESPN had him rated as the #24 player and The Athletic had him rated as #18. The team has a need for DBs - so that's a positive. The Browns then drafted LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah in the 2nd round (52nd overall pick). ESPN had him ranked #12 and The Athletic #14. Owusu-Koramoah fills a need for Cleveland - and fits their scheme really well. To me, this is a really good draft (just looking at the first two picks). To me it would be a high grade. But it's a grade based on certain criteria. And I'm using ESPN and The Athletic for key data. Some people will poo poo that and have other data. That's fine. Three years from now, we can do another round of grades - but the criteria will be different.

 

Now, I'm not going to defend some of the idiots who post grades using stupid guidelines (such as the Broncos getting good grades because they picked guys that Aaron Rodgers will like).

 

In the end, there are a lot of nuances that the data don't always show. So you do have to look at things critically. The Packers, for instance, badly wanted a CB. They picked a guy that might have been a little bit down the overall ranks, but they knew that if they didn't pull the trigger then - they'd lose out on the guy they wanted. Nothing wrong with that.

[homer]

There's a guy out there that collects all the mock drafts and creates an expected draft position based on the aggregate. Kind of like a crowd sourced mock.

 

https://grindingthemocks.shinyapps.io/Dashboard/

[PeaveyFury]

There's a guy out there that collects all the mock drafts and creates an expected draft position based on the aggregate. Kind of like a crowd sourced mock.

 

https://grindingthemocks.shinyapps.io/Dashboard/

 

Jordan Love- bit of a steal at 26!

 

Seriously, thanks for sharing- good stuff!

[xisxisxis]

There's a guy out there that collects all the mock drafts and creates an expected draft position based on the aggregate. Kind of like a crowd sourced mock.

 

https://grindingthemocks.shinyapps.io/Dashboard/

Thanks, I tried googling for exactly that and didn't get it.

 

Does anyone know if any of these Draft "Experts" ever get hired by a NFL team and get taken out of the public domain like multiple Baseball Analytics guys? It seems if any of them had sufficient knowledge that complements or supplements any teams current personnel they would get hired. Walter seems to be closer to be admitted to an alzheimer's unit than getting hired by a NFL team.

[homer]

There's a guy out there that collects all the mock drafts and creates an expected draft position based on the aggregate. Kind of like a crowd sourced mock.

 

https://grindingthemocks.shinyapps.io/Dashboard/

Thanks, I tried googling for exactly that and didn't get it.

 

Does anyone know if any of these Draft "Experts" ever get hired by a NFL team and get taken out of the public domain like multiple Baseball Analytics guys? It seems if any of them had sufficient knowledge that complements or supplements any teams current personnel they would get hired. Walter seems to be closer to be admitted to an alzheimer's unit than getting hired by a NFL team.

 

I don't know if any of the draft guys do but I know of one or two football analytics guys that have.

[homer]

There's a guy out there that collects all the mock drafts and creates an expected draft position based on the aggregate. Kind of like a crowd sourced mock.

 

https://grindingthemocks.shinyapps.io/Dashboard/

Thanks, I tried googling for exactly that and didn't get it.

 

Does anyone know if any of these Draft "Experts" ever get hired by a NFL team and get taken out of the public domain like multiple Baseball Analytics guys? It seems if any of them had sufficient knowledge that complements or supplements any teams current personnel they would get hired. Walter seems to be closer to be admitted to an alzheimer's unit than getting hired by a NFL team.

 

 

 

So speaking of Walter football...

[patrickgpe]

 

 

 

So speaking of Walter football...

 

that was for Round 1 only. Where I took umbrage of was in the later rounds when he trashed teams for not following his draft board. Also you grade a team an F for their draft while not giving any individual pick less than a C-.

[homer]

 

 

 

So speaking of Walter football...

 

that was for Round 1 only. Where I took umbrage of was in the later rounds when he trashed teams for not following his draft board. Also you grade a team an F for their draft while not giving any individual pick less than a C-.

 

Oh they are still terrible but I wanted them to be terrible at everything. Looks like two of their guys got lucky.

[nodakfan17]

The Jaguars’ GM said the NFL made them wait on the clock for 7 minutes before taking Trevor Lawrence. So I guess the NFL really was messing with us in the name of selling more commercials (shocker). I thought it was the vanity of the owners dragging this process out (ie they want the broadcasters to talk about their team for the full allotted 10 minutes).

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jacksonville-jaguars-nfl-made-wait-draft-pick-select-clemson-trevor-lawrence-urban-meyer-trent-baalke-174239391.html