Packer 2021 Draft Discussion- Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia; Round 2 Josh Myers, C, Ohio State; 3: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson

[CheezWizHed]

Since things are starting to warm up on the draft front, I thought I'd start a new thread to discuss.

 

Packers should have 10 picks in the draft:

- Their original 7

- 3 comp picks - probably in the 4th, 5th, and 6th rounds

 

Obviously, they need to go BPA. But in terms of need, an ideal draft would have:

- A CB and WR in the first two rounds.

- Double up (one early, one late) on drafting CBs.

- 4th round OT and RB.

- 5th round MLB

- Need to squeeze a DT in there also (3rd?)

 

With needs at RB, MLB, DL and OT, seems like they could use a bunch of 4th round picks as they seem to have some success there for those positions.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Good story this morning from Pete Dougherty this morning on the prospect of a "tag and trade" deal with Aaron Jones. He said two personnel men he talked with said Jones should fetch a 2021 2nd round pick in a trade. With so many positions that could use an infusion of high-end talent, I think this is the route they will likely go.

[PeaveyFury]

But in terms of need, an ideal draft would have:

- A CB and WR in the first two rounds.

 

With Bakh out and Turner's cap number more problematic each year, I honestly think they're setting up to draft a tackle sooner rather than later, possibly in the 1st round where there'll be talent at the end of the round on the line as there always is.

 

Obviously, there's a lot that can/will happen in free agency, but I'd expect a lineman to be on of their first picks.

[Mr Southpaw]

Using https://www.lines.com/nfl/drafts/2021 and https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2020-pick-trade-value-chart-creating-a-blueprint-for-draft-moves-by-using-past-trades/ as a guide this is what I would do today March 1, 2021.

 

1(30) Trade down to Denver get 2(41) and 3(73)

2 (41) Alex Leatherwood OT Alabama (From Denver)

2 (62) Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota

3 (65) Creed Humpfrey OC Oklahoma (Sign and Trade A Jones to Jacksonville)

3 (73) Roger McCreary CB Auburn (From Denver)

3 (94) Shawn Wade CB Ohio State

4 (126) Zamir White RB Georgia

4 (Comp) Kryisis Tonga DT BYU

5 (158) Buddy Johnson ILB Texas A&M

5 (Comp) Ronnie Perkins DE Oklahoma

6 (189) Tyler Vrabel OT Boston College

6 (Comp) Jordon Scott DT Oregon

7 (221) Elerson Smith OLB Northern Iowa

[CheezWizHed]

But in terms of need, an ideal draft would have:

- A CB and WR in the first two rounds.

 

With Bakh out and Turner's cap number more problematic each year, I honestly think they're setting up to draft a tackle sooner rather than later, possibly in the 1st round where there'll be talent at the end of the round on the line as there always is.

 

Obviously, there's a lot that can/will happen in free agency, but I'd expect a lineman to be on of their first picks.

 

My first edit included an OT with CB/WR in the first three rounds... then I "settled" for a 4th round OT since we seem to do well there. I also expect to find an OT (Wagner or the like) in FA to band-aide a bit. That seems more possible than finding a CB or WR to band-aide the starter spot.

[Brock42]

From what I see, the value of this draft is definitely in the 2nd round.

I have 21-22 players with 1st round grades and after that, about 40 players around the same grade. I don’t see the Packers moving up.

So, unless there is a player they are enamored with at #29, I see a

trade down to 40 range and pickup a 2021 3rd or 2022 2nd. With that,

A sign and trade for Aaron Jones could pick us up another 2nd and

If we tender Tonyan for a 2nd could pick us up another 2nd.

These would be the players I would target based on our needs and talent:

CB Asante Samuel Jr Florida State

CB Greg Newsome Northwestern

 

DT Alim McNeil North Carolina State

DT Marvin Wilson Florida State

 

OT Liam Eichenberg Norte Dame

OT Dillon Radunz North Dakota State

 

WR Rondale Moore Purdue

WR Kadarius Toney Florida

 

Love playing GM. Fun to speculate!

[wallus]

He said two personnel men he talked with said Jones should fetch a 2021 2nd round pick in a trade.

 

If you can truly get a 2nd round pick for Jones, that is a massive no brainer. I would be happy with a 3rd however. It is likely they would get a 4th round comp pick if they let him go in free agency.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

He said two personnel men he talked with said Jones should fetch a 2021 2nd round pick in a trade.

 

If you can truly get a 2nd round pick for Jones, that is a massive no brainer. I would be happy with a 3rd however. It is likely they would get a 4th round comp pick if they let him go in free agency.

 

Agreed. If the Dolphins are as interested as many are saying they are, I'd try to get #50 out of them.

[patrickgpe]

Teven Jenkins is a guy i really like at 29. I disagree with the position that the packers need to look at WR early. I think CB/ OT makes the most sense. Seems to be a few OT's that could be around at the end of the 1st, Leatherwood, Darrisaw, Mayfield and Jenkins.

[HiAndTight]

Teven Jenkins is a guy i really like at 29. I disagree with the position that the packers need to look at WR early. I think CB/ OT makes the most sense. Seems to be a few OT's that could be around at the end of the 1st, Leatherwood, Darrisaw, Mayfield and Jenkins.

 

 

I totally agree. If someone like Darrisaw is on the board around 20, I could see the Packers going up and getting him. Someone who could start the next 10 years at RT..but can also play LT.

 

I don't like Leatherwood as a Tackle though. I think he could be a Gabe Jackson type of guard, but not a starter in the NFL at Tackle.

Mayfield is very similar to Byan Bulaga...Iowa.

 

And the more I read about Jenkins, the better he sounds.

 

Spencer Brown though. Just throwing his name in there. If the Packers were to trade back...which I'm kinda skeptical they'll do with 10 picks, but lets say they do, that's a guy I'd target in the 2nd.

[HiAndTight]

He said two personnel men he talked with said Jones should fetch a 2021 2nd round pick in a trade.

 

If you can truly get a 2nd round pick for Jones, that is a massive no brainer. I would be happy with a 3rd however. It is likely they would get a 4th round comp pick if they let him go in free agency.

 

 

Sure. I love Jones and what he does for this offense, but that pick could be Etienne. 4 more years of a really good back and move on again.

 

I'm a little skeptical you could get a 2nd for him though. Teams don't like to part with early picks. You're going to give up a 2nd for the right to pay a RB? I hope it's true though.

I'd trade him for a 2nd or a 3rd I think, otherwise, bring him back on the tag if that works out with the cap. I have no idea who else the Packers may want to target.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

From what I see, the value of this draft is definitely in the 2nd round.

I have 21-22 players with 1st round grades and after that, about 40 players around the same grade. I don’t see the Packers moving up.

So, unless there is a player they are enamored with at #29, I see a

trade down to 40 range and pickup a 2021 3rd or 2022 2nd. With that,

A sign and trade for Aaron Jones could pick us up another 2nd and

If we tender Tonyan for a 2nd could pick us up another 2nd.

These would be the players I would target based on our needs and talent:

CB Asante Samuel Jr Florida State

CB Greg Newsome Northwestern

 

DT Alim McNeil North Carolina State

DT Marvin Wilson Florida State

 

OT Liam Eichenberg Norte Dame

OT Dillon Radunz North Dakota State

 

WR Rondale Moore Purdue

WR Kadarius Toney Florida

 

Love playing GM. Fun to speculate!

 

Very good take. 2nd round really is the value of the draft.

Samuel would be a big get IMO. Play maker there.

If they end up getting 2 seconds from Jones/Tonyen, they would have a shot at moving up if they saw value there. But I’d almost rather get 3 second round quality players.

[wallus]

Draft priorities: CB, OL, DL

 

I would pick up a cheap vet to split carries with Dillon. I also like our TEs so I wouldn't invest anymore in that that position. If there is a great value, then pick up a WR.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

From what I see, the value of this draft is definitely in the 2nd round.

I have 21-22 players with 1st round grades and after that, about 40 players around the same grade. I don’t see the Packers moving up.

So, unless there is a player they are enamored with at #29, I see a

trade down to 40 range and pickup a 2021 3rd or 2022 2nd. With that,

A sign and trade for Aaron Jones could pick us up another 2nd and

If we tender Tonyan for a 2nd could pick us up another 2nd.

These would be the players I would target based on our needs and talent:

CB Asante Samuel Jr Florida State

CB Greg Newsome Northwestern

 

DT Alim McNeil North Carolina State

DT Marvin Wilson Florida State

 

OT Liam Eichenberg Norte Dame

OT Dillon Radunz North Dakota State

 

WR Rondale Moore Purdue

WR Kadarius Toney Florida

 

Love playing GM. Fun to speculate!

 

Very good take. 2nd round really is the value of the draft.

Samuel would be a big get IMO. Play maker there.

If they end up getting 2 seconds from Jones/Tonyen, they would have a shot at moving up if they saw value there. But I’d almost rather get 3 second round quality players.

 

I'd be extremely surprised if anyone gave up a 2nd to sign Tonyan as an RFA. Not gonna happen. But they should still tender him at that level.

[GAME05]

Miami giving up some pick to get Jones I think would be a good move on their part. Yeah, a pricey RB for a developing team, but there's value to getting Tua sure-fire receivers to really see what he can do and take that "Maybe he just doesn't have enough weapons around him" variable out of the equation. And with Miami maybe moving down they're gonna be loaded and could afford to spend for Jones. And Jones would fit great in Miami.

 

If we could actually get a 2nd for Jones (that seems high, though) and traded back, having three 2nds would be great.

 

I keep seeing GB trading down. They've got a need for three more immediate starters but at the same time no need for the superstar kind of starter. I still think they'd be fine to wait another year to draft high on a WR with Funchess coming back, but then maybe Gute is at least feeling some pressure to finally draft one high. Although this year there's sure a good few of them who'd be available. The guy from Perdue could be interesting not as a 70-catch guy but more the dynamic threat to take some heat off of Adams. I could see him with a high YPC but also only 40 receptions on the season.

 

I see the Packers being mocked a LB a lot, but that seems a lot more like a luxury pick than a need pick. CB and OT seem like more immediate needs.

 

Is re-signing King going to be expensive that re-signing him isn't realistic? I can't imagine re-signing Sullivan to go cheaper and making him the starter is a realistic option.

[LouisEly]

Using https://www.lines.com/nfl/drafts/2021 and https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2020-pick-trade-value-chart-creating-a-blueprint-for-draft-moves-by-using-past-trades/ as a guide this is what I would do today March 1, 2021.

 

1(30) Trade down to Denver get 2(41) and 3(73)

2 (41) Alex Leatherwood OT Alabama (From Denver)

2 (62) Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota

3 (65) Creed Humpfrey OC Oklahoma (Sign and Trade A Jones to Jacksonville)

3 (73) Roger McCreary CB Auburn (From Denver)

3 (94) Shawn Wade CB Ohio State

4 (126) Zamir White RB Georgia

4 (Comp) Kryisis Tonga DT BYU

5 (158) Buddy Johnson ILB Texas A&M

5 (Comp) Ronnie Perkins DE Oklahoma

6 (189) Tyler Vrabel OT Boston College

6 (Comp) Jordon Scott DT Oregon

7 (221) Elerson Smith OLB Northern Iowa

I wouldn't trust that site too much. Neither Roger McCreary nor Zamir White nor Tyler Vrabel declared for the draft, and Ronnie Perkins will long gone by day 3.

[LouisEly]

If we tender Tonyan for a 2nd could pick us up another 2nd.

With all of the problems they've had (and all of the money they've thrown at) finding TE's the last decade, why in the hell would you want to get rid of Tonyan?

[Brock42]

It’s interesting with Robert Tonyan. Placing a 2nd round

tender on him will allow the Packers to keep him at an

affordable $3.4 mil. But if another team values him with

a massive contract then let him go, save the money and

collect their 2nd rounder. I’m not as high as others are on

him as as see him as a system player with an MVP QB

throwing to him. The Packers have or will interview 2

tight ends in the upcoming draft that are projected to go

in the 2-4 round range so they may be preparing for the

future.

[Mr Southpaw]

Using https://www.lines.com/nfl/drafts/2021 and https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2020-pick-trade-value-chart-creating-a-blueprint-for-draft-moves-by-using-past-trades/ as a guide this is what I would do today March 1, 2021.

 

1(30) Trade down to Denver get 2(41) and 3(73)

2 (41) Alex Leatherwood OT Alabama (From Denver)

2 (62) Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota

3 (65) Creed Humpfrey OC Oklahoma (Sign and Trade A Jones to Jacksonville)

3 (73) Roger McCreary CB Auburn (From Denver)

3 (94) Shawn Wade CB Ohio State

4 (126) Zamir White RB Georgia

4 (Comp) Kryisis Tonga DT BYU

5 (158) Buddy Johnson ILB Texas A&M

5 (Comp) Ronnie Perkins DE Oklahoma

6 (189) Tyler Vrabel OT Boston College

6 (Comp) Jordon Scott DT Oregon

7 (221) Elerson Smith OLB Northern Iowa

I wouldn't trust that site too much. Neither Roger McCreary nor Zamir White nor Tyler Vrabel declared for the draft, and Ronnie Perkins will long gone by day 3.

 

I think listed sources and I said "as a guide this is what I would do today March 1, 2021.", so it could be read for the inaccuracies that it had in it. FYI... there are no UW football players listed on that sight either.

 

Thanks anyway for your feedback.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It’s interesting with Robert Tonyan. Placing a 2nd round

tender on him will allow the Packers to keep him at an

affordable $3.4 mil. But if another team values him with

a massive contract then let him go, save the money and

collect their 2nd rounder. I’m not as high as others are on

him as as see him as a system player with an MVP QB

throwing to him. The Packers have or will interview 2

tight ends in the upcoming draft that are projected to go

in the 2-4 round range so they may be preparing for the

future.

 

TE really seems like a rough position to simply throw a rookie into and expect them to compete. I agree that if some team throws a huge contract at Tonyan, you have to think long and hard about letting him go, but I doubt that is going to happen. Pretty rare that restricted free agents actually change teams, especially those tendered at that 2nd round level.

[pacopete4]

I don't even try to guess on their draft choices anymore and I'm okay with that. Between barely watching college football anymore and the fact that the Packers just have a knack of nabbing players that many do not have on their boards.

[patrickgpe]

Its been very rough sailing on the TE front since Bubba Franks left. Seems like #12 and Bobby have good chemistry, lets not piss off our HOF QB anymore for a measly 2nd round pick.

[CheezWizHed]

Here is why I was interested in getting a WR in the early rounds. All of our WRs beyond Adams (and maybe MVS) are successful because of Rodgers. We have limped along with the group and it has been good enough to beat most teams. But the teams that beat us generally are able to take away Adams and rush the passer. No one else can get open by the time the pass rush is on us. Drafting a WR rarely has much of an impact the first year, but it does happen. Regardless, we have lacked talent at WR for years and the biggest key to taking the next step offensively is a solid #2 WR. Funchess isn't it (and no guarantees he comes back anyway).

 

OT is a need to and if that is the BPA when we pick, it will be a good choice. But I think it will be easier to get a stopgap RT in FA (resign Wagner or similar) and draft one in the 4th round than finding a WR that would fill our need.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Here is why I was interested in getting a WR in the early rounds. All of our WRs beyond Adams (and maybe MVS) are successful because of Rodgers. We have limped along with the group and it has been good enough to beat most teams. But the teams that beat us generally are able to take away Adams and rush the passer. No one else can get open by the time the pass rush is on us. Drafting a WR rarely has much of an impact the first year, but it does happen. Regardless, we have lacked talent at WR for years and the biggest key to taking the next step offensively is a solid #2 WR. Funchess isn't it (and no guarantees he comes back anyway).

 

I have no problems with the Packers' receiving corps. Just because most of them are not high picks, it doesn't mean they aren't talented. Guys with the talent of MVS, St. Brown, Lazard and Funchess would play anywhere. They are obviously not Adams-level talented (no one is), but they are talented guys.

 

I think it is more than likely they draft WR early, and perhaps multiple WRs, because, as of right now, Adams, MVS, St. Brown and Funchess are unrestricted free agents after the 2021 season, while Lazard will be a restricted free agent.

[CheezWizHed]

Regarding TE, I see Tonyan a bit like Chmura with Favre. A decent player that would be ok elsewhere, but accentuated well in the system and with his QB. I don't see someone giving up a 2nd for him.

 

If we do draft a TE in the 3rd/4th rounds, that will probably speak more to Sternberger than Tonyan.

 

If our Offense has two Tonyan-like TEs (very good, but not a Pro-Bowl lock), two starting WRs, Williams/Dillon and the OL blocks about the same as last year... that is a flexible offense and a flexible offense is a dangerous one.