3B Trade Targets

[wibadgers23]

I think the poster meant the comp pick for Brosseau, not Rios?

[brewmann04]

What realistic 3rd base prospects are still around

[SRB]

Urias is almost surely a much better prospect than Rios, even at 3B. I guess Urias/Rios > Arcia/Urias, but still I would not give up a lot for just another promising question mark.

[nate82]

If the Brewers can't get Rios, how about Mike Brosseau from the Rays. Projected .796 OPS and good power. The Rays have an abundance of infs. and he wouldn't be expensive to get. Young and controllable for years.

 

Trade our comp pick for him.

 

Why would the Dodgers give up a major league player for a Competitive Balance Draft Pick? They’re system is already the best in the game and they’re built to win now.

 

Because the Dodgers are not just building for now but also down the line. Friedman has said this a lot when they are making acquisitions. They are not just looking at this year but also 5, 10, 15 years down the road.

[Eye Black]

What about trading with the Astros for Aledmys Díaz?

 

He's a bench bats for the Astros, but can play around the diamond. He's a RHH with reverse splits. For his career Díaz has a batting line of .287 BA / .334 OBP / .487 SLG against RHP (that's over a sample of 1116 plate appearances against RHP).

[DR28]

I would love to acquire Kyle Seager but damn I did not know this.......

 

He's owed:

2021 $18,500,000

2022 *$15,000,000 $15M Team Option Option may increase to $20m and buyout may range from $0 to $3m

 

Doubt M's would kick in any money.

 

But Wong/Cain/Yelich/Hiura/Seager/Garcia/Narvaez would be very nice!! Perfectly balanced lineup and bunch of power 3-7.

 

 

 

Since we more than likely won't be getting Seager, see if Shaw can revert back to his 17-18 seasons and call it good... Shaw/Robertson or Shaw/Urias gives us good production at 3B.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm not sold that Shaw can return close to his 2017-18 form. With the way teams take away hits from lefty pull hitters, he could start pressing again pretty quickly. But he does make more sense than Gyorko. With Vogelbach relegated to part time , they need another LH power bat in the lineup

[KeithStone53151]

What about trading with the Astros for Aledmys Díaz?

 

He's a bench bats for the Astros, but can play around the diamond. He's a RHH with reverse splits. For his career Díaz has a batting line of .287 BA / .334 OBP / .487 SLG against RHP (that's over a sample of 1116 plate appearances against RHP).

 

I've always felt he's a bit underrated and I think that would be a solid target. Obviously cost would determine whether the trade is feasible or not

[reillymcshane]

What about trading with the Astros for Aledmys Díaz?

 

He's a bench bats for the Astros, but can play around the diamond. He's a RHH with reverse splits. For his career Díaz has a batting line of .287 BA / .334 OBP / .487 SLG against RHP (that's over a sample of 1116 plate appearances against RHP).

 

I've always felt he's a bit underrated and I think that would be a solid target. Obviously cost would determine whether the trade is feasible or not

I had forgotten about the guy. Seems like a reasonable guy to look into.

[Devinep]

The rays always fart out infielders so they still have extra. With Lowe and Wendle as 2B/3B starters, I wonder if Mike Brosseau or Yandy Diaz are available for a decent price

[MadThinker88]

The rays always fart out infielders so they still have extra. With Lowe and Wendle as 2B/3B starters, I wonder if Mike Brosseau or Yandy Diaz are available for a decent price

 

Yandy Diaz would be a VERY GOOD target as well as a great guy to have on your side during a brawl...

[DR28]

The rays always fart out infielders so they still have extra. With Lowe and Wendle as 2B/3B starters, I wonder if Mike Brosseau or Yandy Diaz are available for a decent price

 

Highly unlikely... Both are RHH of platoons... Yes they traded away Snell but Rays are still going after it, they arent blowing everything up.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think the most obvious target is Kyle Seager, but I also think that if the Brewers were truly interested in him, he would have been a Brewer last offseason, instead of the Gyorko/Sogard/Holt murder's row we ended up going with.

 

The modus operandi this year seems to be grabbing former top prospects in that 24-28-year-old range who haven't been able to find a firm footing in MLB quite yet. Maikel Franco certainly fits that description, as does Jeimer Candelario. One name I've seen a little on social media that I don't believe has been mention here, though, is Rafael Devers. I don't know what the cost would be, but he'd be a perfect fit for this lineup. Likely very wishful thinking, though.

[Jopal78]

I think the most obvious target is Kyle Seager, but I also think that if the Brewers were truly interested in him, he would have been a Brewer last offseason, instead of the Gyorko/Sogard/Holt murder's row we ended up going with.

 

The modus operandi this year seems to be grabbing former top prospects in that 24-28-year-old range who haven't been able to find a firm footing in MLB quite yet. Maikel Franco certainly fits that description, as does Jeimer Candelario. One name I've seen a little on social media that I don't believe has been mention here, though, is Rafael Devers. I don't know what the cost would be, but he'd be a perfect fit for this lineup. Likely very wishful thinking, though.

 

Yeah, Devers! A pre-arbitration eligible 23 year old starting 3B with a career OPS of .830. The Brewers should send Corbin Burnes, Devin Williams and a throw in lien Corey Ray and get him today.

 

If that fails I’d pivot to Candelario. They could probably get him for just Garett Mitchell and Ethan Small

[Lathund]

I don't really think Franco fits with the rest, as the other players are guys who struggled with fairly limited playing time and then have been demoted and eventually let go. So they're more of a bet that the skill set they've shown in the minors could still translate to the majors; or at least it hasn't yet been proven that it can't. While Franco has almost 3k PAs to prove that he's a below average player.

 

I would assume Devers isn't being mentioned because it's hard to see why the Red Sox would even entertain the idea. He's 24, he put up a 5 rWAR/6 fWAR season in 2019 and the Red Sox only have Sale and Bogaerts on the books after 2022. So would seem like a prime extension candidate for them.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think the most obvious target is Kyle Seager, but I also think that if the Brewers were truly interested in him, he would have been a Brewer last offseason, instead of the Gyorko/Sogard/Holt murder's row we ended up going with.

 

The modus operandi this year seems to be grabbing former top prospects in that 24-28-year-old range who haven't been able to find a firm footing in MLB quite yet. Maikel Franco certainly fits that description, as does Jeimer Candelario. One name I've seen a little on social media that I don't believe has been mention here, though, is Rafael Devers. I don't know what the cost would be, but he'd be a perfect fit for this lineup. Likely very wishful thinking, though.

 

Yeah, Devers! A pre-arbitration eligible 23 year old starting 3B with a career OPS of .830. The Brewers should send Corbin Burnes, Devin Williams and a throw in lien Corey Ray and get him today.

 

If that fails I’d pivot to Candelario. They could probably get him for just Garett Mitchell and Ethan Small

 

I did say wishful thinking. I don't know if Candelario would be that expensive, but he wouldn't be cheap. But this thread is for throwing around ideas, right?

[Warning Track Power]

If that fails I’d pivot to Candelario. They could probably get him for just Garett Mitchell and Ethan Small

This forum would burn to the ground if Mitchell and Small were traded for Candelario. He showed a breakout possibility last year but he still has a career line of .235/.326/.721 slash in 1367 PAs and is already 27. No thanks.

[DR28]

If that fails I’d pivot to Candelario. They could probably get him for just Garett Mitchell and Ethan Small

This forum would burn to the ground if Mitchell and Small were traded for Candelario. He showed a breakout possibility last year but he still has a career line of .235/.326/.721 slash in 1367 PAs and is already 27. No thanks.

 

You would rather put a SS at 3B?

[Warning Track Power]

If that fails I’d pivot to Candelario. They could probably get him for just Garett Mitchell and Ethan Small

This forum would burn to the ground if Mitchell and Small were traded for Candelario. He showed a breakout possibility last year but he still has a career line of .235/.326/.721 slash in 1367 PAs and is already 27. No thanks.

 

You would rather put a SS at 3B?

I'd rather go with Urias, Robertson, Gyorko, Franco, Shaw, Lamb...all players that either on the roster or currently available. More importantly, they don't cost the Brewers 2 of their top 5 prospects from an already weak system.

[Lathund]

If that fails I’d pivot to Candelario. They could probably get him for just Garett Mitchell and Ethan Small

This forum would burn to the ground if Mitchell and Small were traded for Candelario. He showed a breakout possibility last year but he still has a career line of .235/.326/.721 slash in 1367 PAs and is already 27. No thanks.

 

You would rather put a SS at 3B?

 

To me it's more the issue of creating new holes to fill. Nobody really knows what Small or Mitchell would be; they might be stars, they might never make it, they might become role players. You never do know with any one individual prospect, but you have some sort of "average" or "most likely" outcome for them that you have to count on, and so you get a certain production from the farm as a whole even if individuals will exceed or fall short of that. Now, all this is just to preface the usual retort that they're just prospects etc; the point is that while no prospect is ever a certain thing, that's not an argument to just trade everyone. Brewers will need a LoCain replacement soon, and there is always a need for SPs. Look at how hard it is to find a good CF, look at what even mediocre starters command on the open market.

 

So trading away two of your best prospects like that takes away two potential options to fill those holes for free; leaving the team to scramble to fill those spots down the line the same way you now try to fill 3B. So doing such a trade will need to be for a player who is truly worth that, and/or for a trade that brings you past a certain treshold or is the last piece of a championship team.

 

Which brings me to the most important point: Candelario is neither. Maybe he found something in 2020 or maybe he didn't, and it's all BABIP-driven small-sample noise. Either way, he's a 27 year old RHH 3B with a 95 wRC+ with three years of team control remaining. The Brewers already have a 27 year old RHH 3B with three years of (cheaper) team control remaining, who has put up a 97 wRC+ for his career so far.

 

If I had to guess at who will have the better 2021, then I'd lean towards Candelario. But enough of a difference to give up two of our best prospects and add a couple of million in payroll? Not even close. Keep Small (who might even see the majors already in 2021) and Mitchell for the future, and spend that $2m where it can best help. If we had a system like the Padres did, then I'd be a lot more positive towards trades like this. When Mitchell would be our 3rd or 4th best OF prospect, and Small just one among 10 promising arms at AA-AAA level. But we don't. And with how good the Dodgers and Padres and to a lesser extent the Mets and Braves look, this is not a year to go all in. Make incremental improvements, improvements that don't hurt the future, and do what you can to win the division and hope to get some of that Devil Magic in the playoffs.

 

TL;DR version: Candelario is not a good enough player to warrant that kind of trade.

[CheeseheadInQC]

That is why I doubt Candelario gets dealt. It makes no sense for the Tigers to trade him for less than the value if you assume last season was a real breakout. But it doesn’t make sense for any team to pay that price given his previous history and the abbreviated nature of last season.

[DR28]

To me it's more the issue of creating new holes to fill. Nobody really knows what Small or Mitchell would be; they might be stars, they might never make it, they might become role players. You never do know with any one individual prospect, but you have some sort of "average" or "most likely" outcome for them that you have to count on, and so you get a certain production from the farm as a whole even if individuals will exceed or fall short of that. Now, all this is just to preface the usual retort that they're just prospects etc; the point is that while no prospect is ever a certain thing, that's not an argument to just trade everyone. Brewers will need a LoCain replacement soon, and there is always a need for SPs. Look at how hard it is to find a good CF, look at what even mediocre starters command on the open market.

 

So trading away two of your best prospects like that takes away two potential options to fill those holes for free; leaving the team to scramble to fill those spots down the line the same way you now try to fill 3B. So doing such a trade will need to be for a player who is truly worth that, and/or for a trade that brings you past a certain treshold or is the last piece of a championship team.

 

Which brings me to the most important point: Candelario is neither. Maybe he found something in 2020 or maybe he didn't, and it's all BABIP-driven small-sample noise. Either way, he's a 27 year old RHH 3B with a 95 wRC+ with three years of team control remaining. The Brewers already have a 27 year old RHH 3B with three years of (cheaper) team control remaining, who has put up a 97 wRC+ for his career so far.

 

If I had to guess at who will have the better 2021, then I'd lean towards Candelario. But enough of a difference to give up two of our best prospects and add a couple of million in payroll? Not even close. Keep Small (who might even see the majors already in 2021) and Mitchell for the future, and spend that $2m where it can best help. If we had a system like the Padres did, then I'd be a lot more positive towards trades like this. When Mitchell would be our 3rd or 4th best OF prospect, and Small just one among 10 promising arms at AA-AAA level. But we don't. And with how good the Dodgers and Padres and to a lesser extent the Mets and Braves look, this is not a year to go all in. Make incremental improvements, improvements that don't hurt the future, and do what you can to win the division and hope to get some of that Devil Magic in the playoffs.

 

TL;DR version: Candelario is not a good enough player to warrant that kind of trade.

 

First off Candelario is a switch hitter.

 

And second, who's to say it would cost Mitchell and Small... I could see Mitchell as untouchable since he would replace Cain possibly after this year or the next... I could see something like Lutz, Ashby and Payton Henry.

 

I would totally do that deal in a heartbeat... Everything may have finally clicked with Candelario, he's just entering his prime and was once a top 100 prospect I believe... Which is apparently our theme this year.

[Jopal78]

That is why I doubt Candelario gets dealt. It makes no sense for the Tigers to trade him for less than the value if you assume last season was a real breakout. But it doesn’t make sense for any team to pay that price given his previous history and the abbreviated nature of last season.

 

This was my original point when people bring up Jeimar Candelario. Simply because Detroit is rebuilding doesn’t mean they are going to trade away young cost controlled players for a quantity of mediocre prospects from a system like Milwaukee’s.

[MVP2110]

[DR28]

Wow Tom, tell us something we didnt already know.