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In other news' date=' ESPNs SP+ college football efficiency rankings still has the 3-3 Badgers at #7 in the country. Our YPP differential combined with our quality of opponents means they think we've been unlucky. Or else maybe Graham Mertz actually IS turnover prone. Hard to know.[/quote]

This is exactly why I don't put very much stock in stats. Anyone can make them say what they want them to say.

 

Maybe those stats knew a little more than it seemed? It's amazing how a few absolutely terrible plays in the 3 losses sabotaged the overall perception of the quality of the team as a whole. Turnovers are an incredibly erratic stat.

 

 

Can kind of honestly say they "should have" won the Penn State game. They were (incredibly) beating Notre Dame in the fourth quarter before Notre Dame ripped off 31! straight points, largely due to turnovers and special teams miscues.

 

They were somehow in the Michigan game (down only 3) halway through the third quarter, when the same thing happened. Turnovers, miscues, and ST mishaps sent the train careening out of control and off the tracks.

 

Not saying they could have or should have won either of those games, but the final scores were uglier than the game itself. It is what it is. Three losses are three losses no matter how you slice it. Doesn't matter if you lose by 3 or 30, but they were in those games.

 

Like Merrill Hoge used to say, turnovers are the only stat that matters. Other than that you can throw them out the window.

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PC needs to be fired. How do you even rationalize punting on 4th and 1 down 10 with about 5 minutes left in the game. Then a false start and then now you go for it?

 

PC is just an idiot and needs to be let go. Can't coach can't gameplan and can't make adjustments.

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PC needs to be fired. How do you even rationalize punting on 4th and 1 down 10 with about 5 minutes left in the game. Then a false start and then now you go for it?

 

PC is just an idiot and needs to be let go. Can't coach can't gameplan and can't make adjustments.

 

As much as I would be okay with it it's not going to happen.

We Will keep getting seven or eight wins a year and some mid-level bowl game and be told look at what happened to Nebraska when they fired a coach with a winning record.

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Chryst is far more conservative than I and many want in a coach, but he’s generally been so because he’s had a stifling defense for his entire tenure. You can have far, far worse as a coach. Like Gary Andersen.

 

 

You can have worse in a coach, and I made that argument myself when we had Bert Bielema and people were calling for him to get fired. That being said, knowing that Chryst isn't "the worst" D1 coach (maybe) doesn't mean a team with the aspirations WI should have should settle for a guy like Chryst who honestly, really sucks at in-game management. He's a good recruiter. But he's honestly, a terrible in game manager, and today was a really stark reminder of that.

 

Should he be fired? Obviously I'm not going to say yeah he should or no he shouldn't, but I think the UW athletic leadership needs to take a look at where this program is, right now and ask have a serious conversation with Chryst about the direction, because this season's potential was derailed almost entirely by bad coaching.

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Chryst is far more conservative than I and many want in a coach, but he’s generally been so because he’s had a stifling defense for his entire tenure. You can have far, far worse as a coach. Like Gary Andersen.

 

 

You can have worse in a coach, and I made that argument myself when we had Bert Bielema and people were calling for him to get fired. That being said, knowing that Chryst isn't "the worst" D1 coach (maybe) doesn't mean a team with the aspirations WI should have should settle for a guy like Chryst who honestly, really sucks at in-game management. He's a good recruiter. But he's honestly, a terrible in game manager, and today was a really stark reminder of that.

 

Should he be fired? Obviously I'm not going to say yeah he should or no he shouldn't, but I think the UW athletic leadership needs to take a look at where this program is, right now and ask have a serious conversation with Chryst about the direction, because this season's potential was derailed almost entirely by bad coaching.

 

Agree...Good take.

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Chryst is far more conservative than I and many want in a coach, but he’s generally been so because he’s had a stifling defense for his entire tenure. You can have far, far worse as a coach. Like Gary Andersen.

 

 

You can have worse in a coach, and I made that argument myself when we had Bert Bielema and people were calling for him to get fired. That being said, knowing that Chryst isn't "the worst" D1 coach (maybe) doesn't mean a team with the aspirations WI should have should settle for a guy like Chryst who honestly, really sucks at in-game management. He's a good recruiter. But he's honestly, a terrible in game manager, and today was a really stark reminder of that.

 

Should he be fired? Obviously I'm not going to say yeah he should or no he shouldn't, but I think the UW athletic leadership needs to take a look at where this program is, right now and ask have a serious conversation with Chryst about the direction, because this season's potential was derailed almost entirely by bad coaching.

 

If the bad coaching comment was directed at the recruiting of offensive skill position talent over the last 5 years, then I couldn't agree with you more. This is a Big 10 team and at the end of the season Chase Wolf was the #2 QB and Brady Schipper was the #2 RB. That is just pitiful.

 

Or if the bad coaching comment was directed at the horrible, horrible decision to just hand the ball to Mertz and push Coan aside, then I absolutely agree. This was even more egregious because it flew in the face of everything Wisconsin has been about since Alvarez took over...it doesn't matter how stars you have behind your name, the best guy plays. Hopefully Chyrst learned his lesson on this one.

 

But other than that, it's pretty likely the administration will look at how bad this team was early and, as it stands, they still have a chance to win 9 games and had a chance to go to the Big 10 championship game into the final quarter of regular season play. Like it or not, it was a pretty solid job by Chyrst to not have the wheels fall off after those first four games. Add in that Chyrst is a really down-to-earth guy who is universally loved around the campus (couldn't say the same thing about Bielema and Andersen), and there isn't a chance he will be fired. I very much doubt McIntosh will even raise an eyebrow over what happened today. The only thing they will worry about is that chances are probably >80% that Leonhard is gone and, depending on the size/profile of the school he goes to, he could end up taking a good chunk of the coaching staff with him.

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I think the Badgers should make Leonard the head coach, and let him pick a slightly more modern OC.

 

Think the chances of that happening are about 0, but a guy can wish.

 

I like Christ but he’s gotten a little bit stale. He’s not worth keeping if it means we lose Leonard.

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If the bad coaching comment was directed at the recruiting of offensive skill position talent over the last 5 years, then I couldn't agree with you more. This is a Big 10 team and at the end of the season Chase Wolf was the #2 QB and Brady Schipper was the #2 RB. That is just pitiful.

Let's not get carried away here. Remember, at the start of the season Braelon Allen was at best the #4/#5 running back and the only reason Schipper is even playing RB is because the #1, #2, and #3 RBs are either gone for the season or just gone and the #4/#5 RB wasn't healthy enough to play the first half of the season after injuring a meniscus in spring ball.

 

And if you fire a coach with a .744 winning %... what coach is going to want to come in after that? You're sending a message that if you don't win 90% of your games you get fired, and no good coach is going to want to put themselves in that position, certainly for a school that has no track record of winning national championships and is one of the most difficult schools for kids to get admitted to.

 

Hell, Nebraska has a track record of winning national championships (as recently as 1997-98) and look what happened to them after they determined that Frank Solich wasn't good enough after winning 75% (.753 winning % to be precise) of his games and going 9-3 his last year. They've lost at least four games every year since they fired him. Let's not turn Wisconsin into Nebraska.

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This team is drastically in need of a modern offensive coordinator. Someone that can take advantage of an overly aggressive defense and design some mismatches.

 

I concur.

 

I'd like to see them be able to move the ball and score points against teams they don't physically out-match. I think a new offense can still take advantage of the skillset of players the Badgers are able to recruit while offering more answers when they can't knock guys off the ball three and four yards every play.

Chris

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Just saw on Facebook, Las Vegas bowl vs Arizona st. December 30. Is that more or less prestigious than the mayo bowl?
Remember what Yoda said:

 

"Cubs lead to Cardinals. Cardinals lead to dislike. Dislike leads to hate. Hate leads to constipation."

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Could we have a situation where Leonard is offered a HC job somewhere else and PC is fired only to retain Leonard at Wisconsin and not lose him?

 

Although I've heard from inside sources that Leonard loves Wisconsin more than he loves the idea of being the HC somewhere else and wants to remain with the Badgers in whatever capacity.

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Could we have a situation where Leonard is offered a HC job somewhere else and PC is fired only to retain Leonard at Wisconsin and not lose him?

 

Although I've heard from inside sources that Leonard loves Wisconsin more than he loves the idea of being the HC somewhere else and wants to remain with the Badgers in whatever capacity.

 

There is just as good of a chance that the Badgers fire Leonhard instead.

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