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This columnist from the LA Times says the Broncos may have traded Von Miller with an eye on Aaron Rodgers. It gives them a few extra bargaining chips (2nd and 3rd rounders).

 

I hope Rodgers stays with the Packers, but if they can’t work out an extension beyond 2022, then I think they need to trade him or risk letting him get away for a 3rd round compensatory pick (I don’t think they can franchise him based on the terms of his re-worked agreement).

 

The starting bid would almost certainly be 3 first rounders (2022-2024). The extra 2nd and 3rd might give Denver an inside track.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-line-von-miller-trade-023438579.html

 

I’m still high on this season and cautiously optimistic that Rodgers will remain a Packer.

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This columnist from the LA Times says the Broncos may have traded Von Miller with an eye on Aaron Rodgers. It gives them a few extra bargaining chips (2nd and 3rd rounders).

 

I hope Rodgers stays with the Packers, but if they can’t work out an extension beyond 2022, then I think they need to trade him or risk letting him get away for a 3rd round compensatory pick (I don’t think they can franchise him based on the terms of his re-worked agreement).

 

The starting bid would almost certainly be 3 first rounders (2022-2024). The extra 2nd and 3rd might give Denver an inside track.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/commentary-line-von-miller-trade-023438579.html

 

I’m still high on this season and cautiously optimistic that Rodgers will remain a Packer.

 

Right. Would Rodgers even agree to go to a team in the Broncos that is CLEARLY rebuilding?

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RE: Rodgers to Denver

 

Even though Rodgers doesn’t have a no-trade clause, any team that trades for him will almost certainly want him to agree to a long-term extension as a condition of the trade (hence, Rodgers still has a good deal of leverage).

 

I think Denver makes sense for the following reasons: 1) It sends Rodgers to the AFC; 2) The Broncos were successful with maximizing Peyton Manning’s final years (a fact I’m sure is not lost on Rodgers); 3) I don’t think Rodgers has much respect for NFL brass and regards himself as smarter than most decision makers, but I do think he considers John Elway a peer; and 4) the Broncos are projected to have $77 million in cap space for 2022.

 

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos/

 

Again, I’m still hoping for the best as it pertains to the current year and Rodgers’ long term future in Green Bay.

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RE: Rodgers to Denver

 

Even though Rodgers doesn’t have a no-trade clause, any team that trades for him will almost certainly want him to agree to a long-term extension as a condition of the trade (hence, Rodgers still has a good deal of leverage).

 

I think Denver makes sense for the following reasons: 1) It sends Rodgers to the AFC; 2) The Broncos were successful with maximizing Peyton Manning’s final years (a fact I’m sure is not lost on Rodgers); 3) I don’t think Rodgers has much respect for NFL brass and regards himself as smarter than most decision makers, but I do think he considers John Elway a peer; and 4) the Broncos are projected to have $77 million in cap space for 2022.

 

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos/

 

Again, I’m still hoping for the best as it pertains to the current year and Rodgers’ long term future in Green Bay.

 

But if he thought McCarthy was stale, just wait until he gets around that fossil the Broncos have coaching for them.

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sounds like the Jaylon Smith era in Packerland is over....his release could also signal other internal roster moves getting some injured guys back active - or a pending trade that needs a roster spot.

 

Probably simply means he's done. It was a no-risk flyer. Him being inactive against the Cardinals was a dead giveaway that the experiment wasn't going well.

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sounds like the Jaylon Smith era in Packerland is over....his release could also signal other internal roster moves getting some injured guys back active - or a pending trade that needs a roster spot.

 

Probably simply means he's done. It was a no-risk flyer. Him being inactive against the Cardinals was a dead giveaway that the experiment wasn't going well.

 

Oh, I'd agree it's likely because he's done in terms of being an impact linebacker against the run at a position the Packers have a need - but making this move right before the trade deadline is likely that they're going to be doing something of note that requires a roster spot on the 53 man. It could be as simple as making a spot for Adams coming off the COVID list in a couple days, but one would think that move wouldn't happen until later in the week.

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Then I'd want to know how those grades are achieved. The whole book on Smith was that he can't cover, like at all. Any system that shows him to be a + pass defender is highly suspect. He fell out of favor last season when teams went heavy isolating him in pass coverage. GB signed up to shore up run defense and in limited action he didn't pass the eye test there either. He's just done, I think.
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GB signed up to shore up run defense

 

Are you certain you don't have that reversed? He's only graded out as a plus run defender twice in his career, and not since 2019. Otherwise, he's pretty consistently rated as a plus coverage guy.

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there are t usually that many trades at the deadline in the NFL.
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Practice Squad QB Kurt Benkert has COVID per Kurt Benkert.

 

I hope the QB room practices social distancing. :(

 

 

I mean, Rodgers was posting Instagram videos of himself as John Wick at a Halloween party over the weekend... pretty sure the only people worried about limiting random exposures of players at this point are fans.

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GB signed up to shore up run defense

 

Are you certain you don't have that reversed? He's only graded out as a plus run defender twice in his career, and not since 2019. Otherwise, he's pretty consistently rated as a plus coverage guy.

 

I don't know where you're getting this from, I can assume PFF, but that is just not what Jaylon Smith is. I only know this because my best friend is a Cowboys fan and that has been his reputation for at least a couple of seasons.

 

Here's a mailbag where Cowboys writers discuss this: https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mailbag-jaylon-smith-improving-in-pass-coverage

 

Here is blog that details signing him to play run defense but notes he can't cover: https://lombardiave.com/2021/10/06/packers-analyzing-jaylon-smith-signing/

 

Here is another data point from another blog on this topic:

 

"Over the past four seasons, Smith was targeted 197 times in coverage. He allowed 151 of those balls to be caught for 1,376 yards while surrendering nine touchdowns in coverage.

 

Are those numbers good? No."

 

Here is the Dallas news on the topic, nothing that he simply doesn't run anymore so his one-time value as a run defender isn't even there anymore. https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2021/10/14/film-room-dallas-cowboys-defense-is-no-longer-a-liability-and-this-is-the-key-reason-why/

 

I've always been a skeptic of PFF grading defenders, and I don't know what PFF is seeing or how they even get to their rankings. But I do know that Jaylon Smith wasn't signed by GB to play coverages.

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But I do know that Jaylon Smith wasn't signed by GB to play coverages.

 

Might be a case where neither of us is wrong. If Green Bay was signing Smith to play the run, they shouldn't be shocked that it ended poorly, since he hasn't done so consistently well for the majority of his career.

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