Packer 2021 Team Discussion (Rodgers Out Vs. Chiefs)

[PeaveyFury]

What this does is create flexibility for the Packers to make additional moves this offseason in what is going to be a pretty big buyers' market. Z. Smith's restructure gets them extremely close to, if not just under the cap, and they still have restructure/extension options with Davante and Rodgers that would enable them to clear a big portion of cap if they do pursue some of the "all-in" moves the fanbase is craving.

 

Factoring in the tenders and the actual number for Jones, they're at about -$2.3 million, NOT factoring in Turner's restructure (because there's NO info out there on what was actually done). If that was a restructure of the full possible amount, they're basically at the cap.

 

To reiterate the point above, a Davante extension and a Rodgers restructure would give them $24 million to use on actual free agents, which is crazy. EDIT: To add clarification that they'd need ~$5million of that $24 million for their draft, so you'd be looking at $18-19 million to use on signings...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

What this does is create flexibility for the Packers to make additional moves this offseason in what is going to be a pretty big buyers' market. Z. Smith's restructure gets them extremely close to, if not just under the cap, and they still have restructure/extension options with Davante and Rodgers that would enable them to clear a big portion of cap if they do pursue some of the "all-in" moves the fanbase is craving.

 

Factoring in the tenders and the actual number for Jones, they're at about -$2.3 million, NOT factoring in Turner's restructure (because there's NO info out there on what was actually done). If that was a restructure of the full possible amount, they're basically at the cap.

 

To reiterate the point above, a Davante extension and a Rodgers restructure would give them $24 million to use on actual free agents, which is crazy.

 

According to Tom Silverstein, the Packers reduced Turner's cap number by $3.56 million. So they are now under. Simply incredible.

[PeaveyFury]

Just to hit on one lingering point on the Jones deal- if you were told back in December or January that the Packers would be able to sign Jones to a 2 year, $20 million extension, which of us here would have thought that was possible?

 

And who would have been (or still is) upset by that number?

[PeaveyFury]

Russ Ball is extremely good at his job.

 

To emphasize this point above, per Tom S. the Packers apparently added two 'voidable' years (basically phantom contract years) to Turner's deal to allow them to prorate the new signing bonus over two additional years. Crazy stuff....

[pacopete4]

Just to hit on one lingering point on the Jones deal- if you were told back in December or January that the Packers would be able to sign Jones to a 2 year, $20 million extension, which of us here would have thought that was possible?

 

And who would have been (or still is) upset by that number?

 

It's crazy, isn't it? What a deal for a huge weapon in this offense. I sure hope that appeases the masses a bit more. And as Ron Robinson's Beard said, Russ Ball is extremely good at his job.

[jerichoholicninja]

Seeing what the Saints and Bucs are doing with perfectly legal cap shenanigans this offseason why does any team ever have cap issues?

[DR28]

Guess we've shown interest in David Andrews, former Pats center.

[DR28]

Damn, Lions acquire Michael Brockers for a 2023 7th rd pick.

 

Would have loved to add Brockers!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Damn, Lions acquire Michael Brockers for a 2023 7th rd pick.

 

Would have loved to add Brockers!

 

Doubt the Packers could have taken on his $10 million cap hit. They will be able to make some moves, but if they are going to take on a hit like that, the guy better be more of a difference maker than Brockers is.

[DR28]

Damn, Lions acquire Michael Brockers for a 2023 7th rd pick.

 

Would have loved to add Brockers!

 

Doubt the Packers could have taken on his $10 million cap hit. They will be able to make some moves, but if they are going to take on a hit like that, the guy better be more of a difference maker than Brockers is.

 

Ahhh, didnt know that, nevermind then.

[pacopete4]

Packers’ Draft Picks

Round 2, pick 1 (#33): CB Kevin King

Round 2, pick 29 (#61): S Josh Jones

Round 3, pick 29 (#93): DT Montravius Adams

Round 4, pick 1 (#108): OLB Vince Biegel

Round 4, pick 27 (#134): RB Jamaal Williams

Round 5, pick 31 (#175): WR DeAngelo Yancey

Round 5, pick 38 (#182): RB Aaron Jones

Round 6, pick 28 (#212): OL Kofi Amichia

Round 7, pick 20 (#238): RB Devante Mays

Round 7, pick 29 (#247): WR Malachi Dupre

 

 

This has become one of those whoa, this was awful, drafts.

[adambr2]

Packers’ Draft Picks

Round 2, pick 1 (#33): CB Kevin King

Round 2, pick 29 (#61): S Josh Jones

Round 3, pick 29 (#93): DT Montravius Adams

Round 4, pick 1 (#108): OLB Vince Biegel

Round 4, pick 27 (#134): RB Jamaal Williams

Round 5, pick 31 (#175): WR DeAngelo Yancey

Round 5, pick 38 (#182): RB Aaron Jones

Round 6, pick 28 (#212): OL Kofi Amichia

Round 7, pick 20 (#238): RB Devante Mays

Round 7, pick 29 (#247): WR Malachi Dupre

 

 

This has become one of those whoa, this was awful, drafts.

 

I dunno. Jones was a home run and Williams a serviceable RB. King as much as I've bemoaned him did some nice things at times over his tenure. Adams is an OK contributor against the run. Biegel was starting to become a solid NFL contributor before getting hurt last year, albeit not with us.

 

I guess the thing that hurts the most about this draft is that it was the "we passed on TJ Watt" draft, but pound for pound I would guess it's a similar hit to miss ratio to most drafts.

[LouisEly]

I guess the thing that hurts the most about this draft is that it was the "we passed on TJ Watt" draft, but pound for pound I would guess it's a similar hit to miss ratio to most drafts.

Right up there with the "we passed on Troy Vincent" draft and just ahead of the "we passed on Chris Chambers" draft.

 

Passing on Badgers has not worked out well for the Packers.

[PinaMadness]

Still better than 2015.

[balsamlaker]

It is going to be interesting to see what Kyle Fuller gets for a contract. One could argue with his last couple of years, a team may be able to get him for a deal similar to Desmond King's, but it only takes one team to overpay.

[HiAndTight]

Packers’ Draft Picks

Round 2, pick 1 (#33): CB Kevin King

Round 2, pick 29 (#61): S Josh Jones

Round 3, pick 29 (#93): DT Montravius Adams

Round 4, pick 1 (#108): OLB Vince Biegel

Round 4, pick 27 (#134): RB Jamaal Williams

Round 5, pick 31 (#175): WR DeAngelo Yancey

Round 5, pick 38 (#182): RB Aaron Jones

Round 6, pick 28 (#212): OL Kofi Amichia

Round 7, pick 20 (#238): RB Devante Mays

Round 7, pick 29 (#247): WR Malachi Dupre

 

 

This has become one of those whoa, this was awful, drafts.

 

I dunno. Jones was a home run and Williams a serviceable RB. King as much as I've bemoaned him did some nice things at times over his tenure. Adams is an OK contributor against the run. Biegel was starting to become a solid NFL contributor before getting hurt last year, albeit not with us.

 

I guess the thing that hurts the most about this draft is that it was the "we passed on TJ Watt" draft, but pound for pound I would guess it's a similar hit to miss ratio to most drafts.

 

I agree. It's really not that bad...until you factor in Watt. I remember making a thread at the time asking what people thought about it. Watt, King and a couple other prospects where at positions of need for the Packers(though CB was easily the biggest need) and most people were happy to pick up the extra 1st.

 

But man...just imagine where we'd be if we had him. Forgetting the trickle-down effect and just assume we don't sign Preston. You have a MUCH better shot at getting JJ, you Z and maybe the best Edge in the game with Gary on his way up. You're also going to have to pay him 30 million a year in the near future, but I guess that's part of the game.

 

 

I knew I wanted the Packers to draft JJ Watt. I was not nearly so certain with TJ Watt. I didn't think he was THAT good. I thought he was a little built up because of his name. Turns out, that couldn't have been further from the truth. I remember him making a pick his rookie year. He dropped in the flat, the QB threw a deep out and Watt jumped up and picked it off like someone was using him in Madden.

[HiAndTight]

It is going to be interesting to see what Kyle Fuller gets for a contract. One could argue with his last couple of years, a team may be able to get him for a deal similar to Desmond King's, but it only takes one team to overpay.

 

 

I was thinking he'd get a deal closer to what Hill got in Cleveland, but the deeper into FA we go, the fewer teams have money or as big of a need.

 

Packers have to be interested and hopefully this can be one of those rare times we sign someone another team from the division cut.

 

Xavier Rhodes is still a FA as well, right? He bounced back last year. Don't think he's as good of a fit as Fuller as he better suited to a zone heavy scheme, but could be a short term solution.

[PeaveyFury]

Guess we've shown interest in David Andrews, former Pats center.

 

Back to New England this morning, apparently.

[PeaveyFury]

Still better than 2015.

 

I do think there's a 'Thompson's last drafts were bad' mentality among Packer fans that is largely incorrect, but it's impossible to call that 2015 draft anything but poor. Obviously, Randall never clicked, due at least in some part to whatever his issue was with McCarthy.

 

I thought Ryan would be a solid LB.

[patrickgpe]

Packers’ Draft Picks

Round 2, pick 1 (#33): CB Kevin King

Round 2, pick 29 (#61): S Josh Jones

Round 3, pick 29 (#93): DT Montravius Adams

Round 4, pick 1 (#108): OLB Vince Biegel

Round 4, pick 27 (#134): RB Jamaal Williams

Round 5, pick 31 (#175): WR DeAngelo Yancey

Round 5, pick 38 (#182): RB Aaron Jones

Round 6, pick 28 (#212): OL Kofi Amichia

Round 7, pick 20 (#238): RB Devante Mays

Round 7, pick 29 (#247): WR Malachi Dupre

 

 

This has become one of those whoa, this was awful, drafts.

 

I dunno. Jones was a home run and Williams a serviceable RB. King as much as I've bemoaned him did some nice things at times over his tenure. Adams is an OK contributor against the run. Biegel was starting to become a solid NFL contributor before getting hurt last year, albeit not with us.

 

I guess the thing that hurts the most about this draft is that it was the "we passed on TJ Watt" draft, but pound for pound I would guess it's a similar hit to miss ratio to most drafts.

it would have been a homerun draft if they just drafted Watt, Williams and Jones. You can't expect perfection, but 2 pro-bowlers is more than one can expect in any draft.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Packers’ Draft Picks

Round 2, pick 1 (#33): CB Kevin King

Round 2, pick 29 (#61): S Josh Jones

Round 3, pick 29 (#93): DT Montravius Adams

Round 4, pick 1 (#108): OLB Vince Biegel

Round 4, pick 27 (#134): RB Jamaal Williams

Round 5, pick 31 (#175): WR DeAngelo Yancey

Round 5, pick 38 (#182): RB Aaron Jones

Round 6, pick 28 (#212): OL Kofi Amichia

Round 7, pick 20 (#238): RB Devante Mays

Round 7, pick 29 (#247): WR Malachi Dupre

 

 

This has become one of those whoa, this was awful, drafts.

 

I dunno. Jones was a home run and Williams a serviceable RB. King as much as I've bemoaned him did some nice things at times over his tenure. Adams is an OK contributor against the run. Biegel was starting to become a solid NFL contributor before getting hurt last year, albeit not with us.

 

I guess the thing that hurts the most about this draft is that it was the "we passed on TJ Watt" draft, but pound for pound I would guess it's a similar hit to miss ratio to most drafts.

it would have been a homerun draft if they just drafted Watt, Williams and Jones. You can't expect perfection, but 2 pro-bowlers is more than one can expect in any draft.

 

Josh Jones started 13 games for the Jags last year, and if I remember right from the few games I watched the Jags, he was OK.

[PeaveyFury]

 

Josh Jones started 13 games for the Jags last year, and if I remember right from the few games I watched the Jags, he was OK.

 

I do wonder if Jones got a bit of a raw deal since he was drafted for Capers' scheme then ended up as a bad fit in Pettine's.

 

I suppose it's similarly possible to wonder if Jackson will get a better chance under Barry's scheme as well....

[homer]

Josh Jones started out like a house on fire and just fell off a cliff.

[LouisEly]

Some guys need to get released in order to get that wake up call to get their head out of their rear end. They think that just because they were drafted means they are good enough to play and don't have to work hard.

[PeaveyFury]

I'm kind of keeping an eye on the wire today, as today is the best day for the Packers to restructure Rodgers if they're going to, as his modestly large roster bonus is due on the 3rd day of the league year. If they don't restructure today, it's a good indicator that they want to keep their 2022 out in play...