Packer 2021 Team Discussion (Rodgers Out Vs. Chiefs)

[homer]

Linsley signing with Chargers. Gonna be highest paid center in the league.

[Underachiever]

Linsley signing with San Diego. Gonna be highest paid center in the league.

Man, the Padres are signing everybody!

[PeaveyFury]

Linsley's currently projected as a 4th round comp pick based on the deal.

[homer]

Linsley signing with San Diego. Gonna be highest paid center in the league.

Man, the Padres are signing everybody!

 

Ha! Oops.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Not signing Linsley is a good move.

[HiAndTight]

 

They signed 'lesser tier' free agents in Wagner and Kirksey during the tampering period last year as well, so it's not as though they have to be in on the big guys first, which they're obviously unlikely to be regardless.

 

Wouldn't be surprised at all if they sign one of the many solid slot corners before Wednesday.

 

That's true, I just associate the top name guys with the early tampering period.

 

And there are reports they've talked to several DL and CB's.

[CheezWizHed]

Glad for Linsley going to the Chargers. I heard it was NYJ - yikes! Here is getting somewhere with a good young QB and reunion with Bulaga.

[HarveysWBs]

Not signing Linsley is a good move.

 

Absolutely a good move, if that is the market rate. I like the Jones deal better by a wide margin, and that is even taking into consideration the dubious value of second contracts for running backs. Perhaps the general consensus against RB contracts have swung too far in the conservative direction. For a guy who has put up the numbers Jones has to get a contract that isn't even in the top 5 for his position indicates that the market correction on backs is probably approaching its nadir (granted, one should probably take contracts in this weird free agency season with a heaping grain of salt).

 

Linsley is a great player, and was an awesome deal, particularly at his 5th-round draft price and original contract, but unless Turner/Runyan/whoever totally falls on his face in there, I don't think many Packers fans will rue this day.

[HiAndTight]

Glad for Linsley going to the Chargers. I heard it was NYJ - yikes! Here is getting somewhere with a good young QB and reunion with Bulaga.

 

 

Same here. He's going to a very talented team with a very good young QB, and he's getting paid top dollar and he's getting it up front. I'd be pretty excited if I was a SD sports fan. They're young and exciting in both Baseball and Football.

 

Jets fans however...well, according to Larry David, fans from across the Country just can't handle all their disappointment. And yet, it's one of Watson's preferred teams.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't really love signing Jones but at 26 it's very different than if he were 28. They'll be done with him by 30 if not sooner and if he's like most RBs his career ends there.

 

Linsley was an absolute no for me. You just don't sign OL hitting 30 to a new long-term deal. You're paying for what he's done, not what he will do, which is what I really prefer to get out of FA. I prefer deals such as the ones the Smiths got, where you identify a younger player who might be undervalued and maybe overpay him on the chance his best football is ahead of him. Linsley's best football isn't ahead of him.

[homer]

Glad for Linsley going to the Chargers. I heard it was NYJ - yikes! Here is getting somewhere with a good young QB and reunion with Bulaga.

 

 

Same here. He's going to a very talented team with a very good young QB, and he's getting paid top dollar and he's getting it up front. I'd be pretty excited if I was a SD sports fan. They're young and exciting in both Baseball and Football.

 

Jets fans however...well, according to Larry David, fans from across the Country just can't handle all their disappointment. And yet, it's one of Watson's preferred teams.

 

you made the same mistake I did. Chargers are in LA now (but you are right....the Dodgers are exciting)

[GAME05]

Man, the Padres are signing everybody!

 

Ok that was darn funny.

 

 

I'm far more upset with Williams leaving than I am happy with Jones returning. I'm a big fan of those sorta clubhouse guys whom everybody wants to be around. He won't get paid a ton, but for a guy who doesn't fumble but is both nimble and powerful, he's going to be a great pickup.

[CheezWizHed]

SD rarely cheered for the Chargers when they were in SD. I doubt they will cheer for them now that they left. .

[HiAndTight]

I don't really love signing Jones but at 26 it's very different than if he were 28. They'll be done with him by 30 if not sooner and if he's like most RBs his career ends there.

 

Linsley was an absolute no for me. You just don't sign OL hitting 30 to a new long-term deal. You're paying for what he's done, not what he will do, which is what I really prefer to get out of FA. I prefer deals such as the ones the Smiths got, where you identify a younger player who might be undervalued and maybe overpay him on the chance his best football is ahead of him. Linsley's best football isn't ahead of him.

 

 

I don't have any problem with the Packers letting Linsley walk. They prepared for it..if not when they took Jenkins, then certainly when they drafted Hanson, Runyan and Stepaniak.

 

Where I'd disagree is with that rule. I would argue OL are safer signings at or over 30 than say a skill positions. Adams is due to be a FA at pretty much the same age Linsley is now and it seems like a given we'll be extending him..and of course Bahk is a bit older and we just extended him.

 

I think the difference with Linsley is the Packers likely never viewed him as a 1st Team AP caliber Center and they've just always seemed to be able to move from one Center to another. IIRC, Tretter beat him out for the job a couple times before getting injured and Linsley taking over.

 

He's kinda an overachiever. Either way, he was a very good, very reliable center for the Packers and now he's getting a big payday that the Packers couldn't afford. So good for him.

[CheezWizHed]

Glad for Linsley going to the Chargers. I heard it was NYJ - yikes! Here is getting somewhere with a good young QB and reunion with Bulaga. March 15, 6:33PM

 

I swear the Packer online sites read our forum for ideas...

 

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/4-options-the-packers-have-to-replace-corey-linsley/

 

Linsley will reunite with former teammate Bryan Bulaga and help with a promising young quarterback in Justin Herbert. However, Green Bay now has to find a new player to snap the ball to MVP Aaron Rodgers. March 15th, 8:57PM

 

Which of you is Brandon Carwile???

[HiAndTight]

Glad for Linsley going to the Chargers. I heard it was NYJ - yikes! Here is getting somewhere with a good young QB and reunion with Bulaga.

 

 

Same here. He's going to a very talented team with a very good young QB, and he's getting paid top dollar and he's getting it up front. I'd be pretty excited if I was a SD sports fan. They're young and exciting in both Baseball and Football.

 

Jets fans however...well, according to Larry David, fans from across the Country just can't handle all their disappointment. And yet, it's one of Watson's preferred teams.

 

you made the same mistake I did. Chargers are in LA now (but you are right....the Dodgers are exciting)

 

 

I did...it's hard to wrap my head around the LA Chargers. Even after watching the Packers get stomped at a stadium smaller than an Average Texas HS field, the San Diego Chargers just flows out.

 

I wonder how many fans a team retains when they do that. The Raiders from Oakland or the Chargers(though as CheezeWiz pointed out, they didn't exactly have a ferverant fan base in SD when they were there).

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Skill positions just don't get signed after 30 to blockbuster deals though. The vast majority are done by then or playing for mediocre deals as more role type players. Only the very best of them play that long. You can play offensive line effectively into your mid 30s more often than skill positions, absolutely. But that's not the same as signing a C about to be 30 to be the highest paid C in the league.

 

I think Linsley may do well for them, but it's just not a risk and not at a premium position I'd want the Packers to take. I think it's likely he's very good for about 3 years though.

[FVBrewerFan]

There is a limit to cap gymnastics. Packers would have loved to have Linsley back, they're just never going to do a massive deal for an interior lineman, at any age.

 

As for Jones, a little surprised to see so many people don't like it. Almost nobody, including myself, thought he was gone. But he's back at a home town discount. Dillon is a nice RB, Jones is a home run hitter.

 

Really hoping they restructure the others and free up cap space for a good CB and ILB. Then add some talent through the draft, and that's an A+ off-season.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Jones coming back is fine. I think some people thought they'd let him go, start Dillon, get cheap depth, and invest in the defense. I would have preferred that, but in the end, RB money doesn't buy a lot of defense anyway.

[SeaBass]

There's a rumor/feeling that Aaron Jones' contract value over the first two seasons is pretty much equal to what he'd have made if the Packers had used the franchise tag on him for those two seasons. In essence saving the Packers from having to use the tag.

 

Here's where this is coming from:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/14/packers-could-have-franchise-tagged-aaron-jones-twice-for-19-million-total/

[reillymcshane]

I'm okay with the Jones signing. He probably gave up some FA money - but he wants to be here, which is cool.

 

To me, the thing I would wary about is signing a RB who has had a ton of mileage on him after 4-5 years. That's not Jones. He's got around 650 attempts thus far in his career. That's not that much. Guys like Le'Von Bell will get the ball 900 and 1000 times in their first four years. And while there are always aberrations - such as Frank Gore - most players just start falling apart sooner than later.

 

Thus, Jones should have at least a few more years left in the tank as a high quality back.

 

Jones and Dillon will make a nice tandem next season.

[HiAndTight]

There is a limit to cap gymnastics. Packers would have loved to have Linsley back, they're just never going to do a massive deal for an interior lineman, at any age.

 

As for Jones, a little surprised to see so many people don't like it. Almost nobody, including myself, thought he was gone. But he's back at a home town discount. Dillon is a nice RB, Jones is a home run hitter.

 

Really hoping they restructure the others and free up cap space for a good CB and ILB. Then add some talent through the draft, and that's an A+ off-season.

 

 

The Packers never showed much interest in extending Linsley. Jones on the other hand...it was clear they made it a priority. Again, if they'd have tried to extend Linsley last year, he may have signed a 3/27 type deal. Once he got close to Free Agency this year it was obviously going to be impossible. I also thought Jones was gone when they didn't franchise him, but they clearly had the framework for a deal in place. One in which he probably left some money on the table and the Packers get arguably the best RB duo in the NFL.

 

Linsley will bring stability to a young team with a young QB, but we all agree, the Packers have never valued the Center position enough to make Linsley the highest paid in the NFL.

 

As for other potential signings...I think I'd rather invest in a CB, maybe a WR'er like Samuel. But I like both Martin and Barnes. I'd prefer to see a Safety/LB'er hyrbid. Hamsah Nasirildeen from FSU could be perfect in the 3rd round. He's not going to play CF and he's not going to be able to play in man, but next to Barnes in the Nickel...he could add a lot of versatility to our defense. Simlar profile to Josh Jones, but seems more instinctful.

 

 

The absolute top priority for me though is OT. Even with Bahk, I don't like Turner out there and it doesn't matter if it's Tampa, SF back next year or whoever, we need to protect Rodgers.

[adambr2]

Maybe that’s not the complaint but signing highly talented players to surround Rodgers with for sure has been and they’ve just did it today.it will help them win games. It’s a good thing.

 

 

The thing is, you can be excited to have Aaron Jones back and realize he makes us a better team, and still question whether the money spend on him and the pick spend on Dillon is the best use of our resources.

 

You can be both of those people -- and I'm definitely one.

[PeaveyFury]

Maybe that’s not the complaint but signing highly talented players to surround Rodgers with for sure has been and they’ve just did it today.it will help them win games. It’s a good thing.

 

 

The thing is, you can be excited to have Aaron Jones back and realize he makes us a better team, and still question whether the money spend on him and the pick spend on Dillon is the best use of our resources.

 

You can be both of those people -- and I'm definitely one.

 

You can definitely do that. Or, we can acknowledge that Gute has a pretty good track record of success when he 'goes off the beaten path a bit' and give him the benefit of the doubt, which I understand that most fans aren't willing to do for whatever reason....

[pacopete4]

Maybe that’s not the complaint but signing highly talented players to surround Rodgers with for sure has been and they’ve just did it today.it will help them win games. It’s a good thing.

 

The thing is, you can be excited to have Aaron Jones back and realize he makes us a better team, and still question whether the money spend on him and the pick spend on Dillon is the best use of our resources.

 

You can be both of those people -- and I'm definitely one.

 

You can definitely do that. Or, we can acknowledge that Gute has a pretty good track record of success when he 'goes off the beaten path a bit' and give him the benefit of the doubt, which I understand that most fans aren't willing to do for whatever reason....

 

I also did not see one post of any sort of excitement. It is one thing to acknowledge that spending on a running back may not be the best use of resources but that isn't what happened here with this poster.