Arenado to the Cards

[brewerfan82]

Wong signing was one week late. I would have been all over a Hiura for Arenado trade.

 

The Rockies had better be eating $100M of his contract instead of $50M to give up Hiura.

So you're saying there was a chance? Never underestimate the Rockies.

[Underachiever]

I read that the Rockies are paying Arenado's entire 2021 salary. That should make the Cardinal bottom line look real nice this year. And if Arenado walks for his option year, it really means they got him cheap.

[PeaveyFury]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it work out to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

[Underachiever]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it workout to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

That's a shame. Hope the self-appointed BFIB are holding up okay.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it workout to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

 

I love every single part of this post.

[Manty Brewer Fan]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it workout to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

 

Should this move to the optimism thread, because this would be glorious!

[IIAY]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it workout to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

 

2021 stats:

 

Nolan Arenado: .266/.319/.509 827 OPS, 132 OPS+, 2.3 bWAR

Adolis Garcia: .279/.318/.550 867 OPS, 134 OPS+, 2.7 bWAR

Randy Arozarena: .263/.345/.421 766 OPS, 120 OPS+, 2.2 bWAR

Patrick Wisdom: .277/.341/.699 1039 OPS, 182 OPS+, 1.4 bWAR

 

It sure is nice to see players experience success after leaving the Cardinals after so many years of the opposite happening.

[sveumrules]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it workout to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

 

2021 stats:

 

Nolan Arenado: .266/.319/.509 827 OPS, 132 OPS+, 2.3 bWAR

Adolis Garcia: .279/.318/.550 867 OPS, 134 OPS+, 2.7 bWAR

Randy Arozarena: .263/.345/.421 766 OPS, 120 OPS+, 2.2 bWAR

Patrick Wisdom: .277/.341/.699 1039 OPS, 182 OPS+, 1.4 bWAR

 

It sure is nice to see players experience success after leaving the Cardinals after so many years of the opposite happening.

 

Carson Kelly also at 133 OPS+ / 1.8 bWAR, Sandy Alcantara at 128 ERA+ / 2.3 bWAR. Luke Voit has been hurt most of this year, but has posted 138 OPS+ / 4.1 WAR post-STL with the Yankees.

[adambr2]

Is Arenado definitely opting out? Still major risk in doing so. He's been pretty adamant that he doesn't plan to.

 

The Flaherty injury really derailed their season at least to this point. There indeed isn't much depth for them to fall back on.

[tmwiese55]

Good post. Interesting FA decision he'll have, several of the big spenders wouldn't have a need. Probably can rule out both LAs, NYY, Bos, Cubs (need if Bryant leaves but it shows they're likely not spending), SD. Maybe be left with CWS, Mets, Phillies. Maybe ATL? I think Nats have their next big prospect at 3B. Most likely could be a renegotiation with STL to let them save face but he locks in more money? ETA: Stl will have Carpenter off the books after 2022, what a horrible extension that was and was kind of clear at the time. Think he had that one crazy hot streak that tricked them into thinking he wasn't washed Edited June 29, 2021 by tmwiese55

[Roderick]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it workout to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

 

I haven't looked at the details - I assume if he is on the path to opt out, the Cardinals trade him away in July?....

Edited June 29, 2021 by Roderick

[PeaveyFury]

Is Arenado definitely opting out? Still major risk in doing so. He's been pretty adamant that he doesn't plan to.

 

Obviously that's the big question, but with the numbers he's putting up and his crazy good defense, he could easily get a Rendon-like $250m on the open market (and would be a similar age).

 

You'd have to think that if the option wasn't at least of consideration to him, he wouldn't have negotiated to add the SECOND potential opt-out after next year when he agreed to his massive salary deferral.

[PeaveyFury]

I haven't looked at the details - I assume if he is on the path to opt out, the Cardinals trade him away in July?....

 

Possible in theory, but the receiving team would be absorbing all the risk (of him blowing out an ACL in August or September, etc. and having an injured player who DOESN'T opt out), so I don't know what the return would even be?

 

He'd have to waive his NTC again, which would also be a factor.

[tigerbrew]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it workout to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

 

2021 stats:

 

Nolan Arenado: .266/.319/.509 827 OPS, 132 OPS+, 2.3 bWAR

Adolis Garcia: .279/.318/.550 867 OPS, 134 OPS+, 2.7 bWAR

Randy Arozarena: .263/.345/.421 766 OPS, 120 OPS+, 2.2 bWAR

Patrick Wisdom: .277/.341/.699 1039 OPS, 182 OPS+, 1.4 bWAR

 

It sure is nice to see players experience success after leaving the Cardinals after so many years of the opposite happening.

 

Kolten Wong is a good example of hitting well after leaving the Cards. Currently Wong has a higher BA, OBP and OPS than Arenado.

 

If I'm not mistaken, the trade for Arenado lead to the Cards not picking up Wong's option resulting in Wong becoming a FA and the Brewers getting him.

[clancyphile]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it work out to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

 

Tears of regret from the Cardinals taste sweet.

 

Y'know, the Brewers could make bank on a mug/tumble labeled "Cardinal Tears" - maybe do one for the Cubs, too.

 

Arenado could easily opt out and do one of two things:

1. Find a big-spending team for that big extension.

2. On what is a bit of a "down" year for him, sign some form of Grandal-esque "prove it" deal with a contender, THEN go for a bigger payday.

 

In fact, I'd love to see #2 happen for 2022.

 

2b: Wong

1b: Hiura

lf: Yelich

3b: Arenado

c: Narvaez

ss: Adames

rf: Hummel

cf: Cain/Bradley

 

A Brewers fan can dream, right?

[Eye Black]

Arenado could easily opt out and do one of two things:

1. Find a big-spending team for that big extension.

2. On what is a bit of a "down" year for him, sign some form of Grandal-esque "prove it" deal with a contender, THEN go for a bigger payday.

Arenado has opt outs in his contract after both 2021 and 2022. He’s set to make $35 million per year if he doesn’t opt out, so if he had any indication he was going to need a “prove it” deal he would just take the Cardinals money for another year.

[Sixtofan]

I don’t know why he would opt out with the looming uncertainty of the cba in the off-season. It would seem like an unnecessary risk when he can wait until after 2022.

[PeaveyFury]

I don’t know why he would opt out with the looming uncertainty of the cba in the off-season. It would seem like an unnecessary risk when he can wait until after 2022.

 

Opportunity cost. One more year = one more chance to suffer an injury or show signs of age-related decline.

[JackNicholson1974]

Re: opting out.

 

By my quick estimation he will have 5 years and 167 million left on the deal? Is that correct? I read an article that said he had 6/199 before this season. If he opts out, is some handing him 35 million over 5 years? That’s what it might take to even equal his salary. Maybe I’m reading this wrong:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.denverpost.com/2021/04/15/nolan-arenado-cardinals-contract/amp/

 

Arenado had been set to be paid $199 million over the remaining six seasons of a $260 million, eight-year contract he signed with the Rockies: $35 million annually from 2021-24, $32 million in 2025 and $27 million in 2026.

[PeaveyFury]

Re: opting out.

 

By my quick estimation he will have 5 years and 167 million left on the deal? Is that correct? I read an article that said he had 6/199 before this season. If he opts out, is some handing him 35 million over 5 years?

 

Rendon got 7/$245 million at basically the same age, so I think it's very possible.

[Pugger]

Worth a bump, just to discuss a point raised in another thread- do the Cards look back on this trade with some regret right now? They're a pitching-starved team that gave up a pitcher that is performing VERY well (Gomber) and a bunch of other pieces for a guy that is performing so well that he's likely to opt out after this year.... all while falling further and further behind in the standings. Playoff odds for the Cards right now are about 3-4% per various projections.

 

Odd to think that a guy you trade for could potentially put up MVP-caliber numbers and have it work out to be a poor trade for you, but the Cards may be headed that way.

 

This couldn't happen to a more deserving club. They have been a pain in the tail forever so seeing them struggle makes me smile.

[markedman5]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/10/nolan-arenado-to-opt-in-to-remainder-of-cardinals-contract.html