Would you trade Rodgers for Watson?

[Sixtofan]

Great points! I would love to see what MLF would do with Watson. We would have a crazy “Madden” style offense. Trading an old star for a young star seems like a really good idea to me!

[HiAndTight]

Great points! I would love to see what MLF would do with Watson. We would have a crazy “Madden” style offense. Trading an old star for a young star seems like a really good idea to me!

 

 

The only problem is most Packers fans would still be upset.

 

I know a LOT of fans a generation older than me who still don't totally love Rodgers as a player because of how much they loved Favre.

 

 

Also...while this obviously isn't going to happen, we'd also be able to throw this in the Bears fans faces. They never even talked to Watson....despite going out to North Carolina to meet with Trubisky, just a few hours away from Clemson. To be able to beat them for ANOTHER 15 years with a HOF QB they passed on in the draft...chefs kiss!

[homer]

Considering how Watson reacted to adversity this year, that's a huge red flag. Great talent no doubt but not a no-brainer.

 

Wouldn't the same be said about JJ Watt? He got into it with their HC.

 

Yes. That organization is an unmitigated dumpster fire.

[HiAndTight]

Considering how Watson reacted to adversity this year, that's a huge red flag. Great talent no doubt but not a no-brainer.

 

Wouldn't the same be said about JJ Watt? He got into it with their HC.

 

Yes. That organization is an unmitigated dumpster fire.

 

 

It wasn't long ago they looked like they were a competent QB away from being a true contender. Just about when they drafted Watson. They had Clowney who was a star, the best defensive player in the league, they made good picks. They had back-to-back HOF WR'ers....and then they hired Bill O'Brien.

 

Whoever was in charge of that team, it's pretty easy to look at when the decline started. 2017. The year before, playoffs with a below-average QB, the next year they get their franchise QB and both he and Watt suffer season-ending injuries and that QB, Tom Savage, suffers a concussion, the Texans skirt the NFL's concussion protocol and he suffers a seizure on the sideline. A sign of things to come with that clown O'Brien and their team Chaplain turned team dictator who JJ Watt referred to as an ____ing idiot, they managed to take a team that had enough talent to go up 24-0 on KC last year and just blow it up.

 

 

I think they managed to pass up the Lions, Jets, the Washington Football team, the Knicks, whoever...all in about 24 months. I place the O/U for wins the next 10 years at about 40 for them. I'd be wondering what the hell was wrong with Watson if he was happy down there.

[Fear The Chorizo]

At present, the answer to the question posed in this thread is most definitely no...

[HiAndTight]

At present, the answer to the question posed in this thread is most definitely no...

 

[sarcasm]What if they threw in a first?[/sarcasm]

 

This is supposed to be in blue. I'm not sure why it's not showing up that way, but...it was meant that way.

[CheezWizHed]

yeah, that turned quickly. Now Watson is probably "stuck" with Houston (if he is can play at all) with no one around him.

[HiAndTight]

yeah, that turned quickly. Now Watson is probably "stuck" with Houston (if he is can play at all) with no one around him.

 

 

As a rule, I don't form opinions on ANY accusations until the details come out...

 

But I will say I'm pretty skeptical on this one. The fact that the lawyer is soliciting clients, says it's not about the money after they demanded a settlement and then he was caught lying saying HPD was investigating when they were not and had no knowledge of the incidents.

 

This definitely isn't the weirdest accusation right now*cough*Arnie*cough*Hammer*cough...but just the way this has unfolded and the lawyer handling the case...I don't know.

[CheezWizHed]

Regardless of the truth, it is unlikely that anyone is going to make a large play for Watson (or any play?) with the accusations over his head.

[PinaMadness]

24 accusers have now come forward. How high a number until you start to believe this is either a witch hunt or Watson is a complete psychopath?

[nate82]

I start to get skeptical once that many people are coming forward. Are they all true or are only some true?

 

You have to take into account some are fake or are just doing it for a possibility of a payday. I am not 100% sure on this.

[nodakfan17]

It’s odd to me that there are only civil charges against Watson ... not criminal.

[nate82]

It’s odd to me that there are only civil charges against Watson ... not criminal.

 

Not really odd. It is really hard to get victims to come forward and actually press real charges. So the other course of action is to bring civil charges. In a civil case the accusers don't have to testify and can remain anonymous. In a criminal charge I believe the accusers have to face the accused. Which means they are in the public.

 

So most sexual assault charges at least the high profile ones are normally done in a civil case.

[nodakfan17]

Makes sense. Thank you.

[HiAndTight]

It’s odd to me that there are only civil charges against Watson ... not criminal.

 

Not really odd. It is really hard to get victims to come forward and actually press real charges. So the other course of action is to bring civil charges. In a civil case the accusers don't have to testify and can remain anonymous. In a criminal charge I believe the accusers have to face the accused. Which means they are in the public.

 

So most sexual assault charges at least the high profile ones are normally done in a civil case.

 

 

That's not really why these cases end up in criminal court rather than civil court. Women in Civil Court are subjected to just about the same amount of scrutiny.

 

Civil Cases are more likely because the burden of proof is lower, because victims often wait a long time before reporting a crime, which often means they have no recourse through criminal court like most of Bill Cosby's victims. I've never heard of a case in which 24 women accused one man and the police hadn't filed a single report and hadn't taken a single statement prior to the lawsuit.

 

The biggest difference, to win a civil case, you just need the majority of the jury to side with you...not every single juror. With he said-she said cases in which there is no DNA, there is almost no criminal recourse. Also, many of the accusations are not actually criminal as far as I understand. They're awful...subjecting women to very difficult working environments, but to prove that exposing yourself during a massage in which you're usually naked with just a towel covering you, especially in your own home, that doesn't meet any criminal standard that I know of.

 

I don't have an agenda here and I don't want to get political or infer I don't believe Women. We all know how celebrities have a sense of entitlement(or they can).

 

I'm just really to believe Tony Buzbee and the way this played out. All but one of the accusations say that he refused to cover himself during a massage. The other accuses him of sexual assault.

 

 

But really where the civil vs criminal argument falls apart in this case, after Watson turned down a "settlement" deal for 30,000 dollars(that number comes from a Houston Paper), that's when the Lawyer contacted the Police...who he said are now investigating(though at the time he said that, the Houston Police Dept still had not opened any investigations and knew nothing about this).

 

 

A criminal investigation would only strengthen a civil case. So it doesn't make sense they wouldn't have started with a criminal complaint before offering a settlement. It IS very common for a victim to go to a lawyer before contacting the Police(and smart).

[HiAndTight]

Regardless of the truth, it is unlikely that anyone is going to make a large play for Watson (or any play?) with the accusations over his head.

 

 

There are reports that at least 6 teams are still actively pursuing Watson....for whatever that's worth.

[CheezWizHed]

But are they sharks smelling blood in the water? Teams might try to find a major bargain with Houston with the hope that Watson clears the accusations and they get a HOF level QB for dirt cheap. If I were Houston, I'd hold onto Watson for a year - even if he refuses to play for them this year.

[HiAndTight]

But are they sharks smelling blood in the water? Teams might try to find a major bargain with Houston with the hope that Watson clears the accusations and they get a HOF level QB for dirt cheap. If I were Houston, I'd hold onto Watson for a year - even if he refuses to play for them this year.

 

A good question. I'm guessing these teams have investigators working on every facet of this.

 

 

I usually think it's funny when someone accused of something like this brings out women to dispute it. Like, "hey, look at all these women I DIDN'T sexually assault/harrass, that's proof I'm a good guy." Like an accused murderer showing all the people who aren't dead as though that's proof of something.

[nodakfan17]

The fact that he’s used at least 40 massage therapists (21 who have accused him of indecent behavior and 19 who have defended him) is concerning. I’d understand if he had 4-5 on a short list, but 40?

[wildcat83]

The fact that he’s used at least 40 massage therapists (21 who have accused him of indecent behavior and 19 who have defended him) is concerning. I’d understand if he had 4-5 on a short list, but 40?

 

This honestly baffles me. He's now had 22 file, 19 support him, and 1 do a story that she was assaulted but not filing. That's already 42 different women just that have made public statements. It looks pretty bad just that he's used that many different massage therapists. If you don't have issues with them, I would think a normal person would use 2-3 different ones... maybe... The sheer volume of therapists that he's used is incredibly odd.

[CheezWizHed]

Especially when he can get a massage at work for free.

[wallus]

Especially when he can get a massage at work for free.

 

Being a top tier professional athlete you would assume he could get any of that other stuff for free too.

[HiAndTight]

Especially when he can get a massage at work for free.

 

Being a top tier professional athlete you would assume he could get any of that other stuff for free too.

 

 

Well...to be fair, you'd have said the same about Darren Sharper. Obviously there is a sense of entitlement with many high profile and wealthy people where they engage in some really awful behavior that most people just can't wrap their heads around. A relatively young, good looking, well educated, wealthy former NFL player and TV personality is sitting in jail for a loooong time right now.

 

That's not passing any judgement on Watson, and I'm not throwing him into a group with Sharper or Winslow Jr(or ALL the other people who have done things like this)...I'm just saying these things don't make sense to normal people.

 

But along those same lines, I don't know how strange it is for someone to schedule that many massages. You'd think you'd have some priorities or hell, put someone on retainer so they are available to you whenever you need them, but maybe it's not rare for high profile athletes. It's help to have an idea of how many or how often Rodgers or Brady schedule massages. Brady in particular talks about how important they are after a workout. Maybe he's had dozens of different women work on him.

[adambr2]

Especially when he can get a massage at work for free.

 

Being a top tier professional athlete you would assume he could get any of that other stuff for free too.

 

 

Well...to be fair, you'd have said the same about Darren Sharper. Obviously there is a sense of entitlement with many high profile and wealthy people where they engage in some really awful behavior that most people just can't wrap their heads around. A relatively young, good looking, well educated, wealthy former NFL player and TV personality is sitting in jail for a loooong time right now.

 

That's not passing any judgement on Watson, and I'm not throwing him into a group with Sharper or Winslow Jr(or ALL the other people who have done things like this)...I'm just saying these things don't make sense to normal people.

 

But along those same lines, I don't know how strange it is for someone to schedule that many massages. You'd think you'd have some priorities or hell, put someone on retainer so they are available to you whenever you need them, but maybe it's not rare for high profile athletes. It's help to have an idea of how many or how often Rodgers or Brady schedule massages. Brady in particular talks about how important they are after a workout. Maybe he's had dozens of different women work on him.

 

I would guess Sharper could have gotten that other stuff for free too. Sadly, I think it's more about the power and thrill for people like that than anything physical. There's no way I can be convinced that someone like Darren Sharper couldn't have had a different woman on any day that would be more than willing. But I think a guy like Sharper needs that power over someone who isn't willing.

 

Hopefully that's not who Watson is...I guess we'll find out.

[HiAndTight]

 

I would guess Sharper could have gotten that other stuff for free too. Sadly, I think it's more about the power and thrill for people like that than anything physical. There's no way I can be convinced that someone like Darren Sharper couldn't have had a different woman on any day that would be more than willing. But I think a guy like Sharper needs that power over someone who isn't willing.

 

Hopefully that's not who Watson is...I guess we'll find out.

 

 

Yeah, it's some sick stuff, but that's kinda what I was alluding to. The type of psychopathy doesn't make sense to most normal people.

 

Bill Cosby was the biggest Comedian in the world for a long time and one of the wealthiest. He'd been drugging and assaulting women for how many decades? I do hope that's not Watson...but I'm not so sure we'll find out. I'd guess this ends with a settlement, NDA's and no charges. The later just because it's gonna be next to impossible to prove anything at this point unless there is documentation and he's already been offered a settlement to make it all go away.