Justin Turner

[SRB]

Weren't the Dodgers just under the luxury tax last season?

 

They were over according to Cots, but who knows how accurate that is since the luxury tax also incorporates complicated benefits-related stuff, and I'm not sure if the Covid season changed things.

 

It seems like if they spend any more money and go over by >$40M then it won't even matter if they are a second-year offender though, in terms of the penalty.

 

If they were under last season (or if 2020 is not counted, since they were under in 2019?) then spending any more money would have a much bigger impact, as they would go from 32% (20% + 12%), to 42.5%.

 

(No idea of I'm calculating any of those correctly.)

[titletownking]

So it’s evident we need harsher penalties for both exceeding the luxury tax and failing to meet a salary floor. Difference between teams 1-30 should never be $200 million+

[KCBrewerfan34]

Maybe the Dodgers pass on Turner now, give Lux a chance or whoever.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Dodgers also have Edwin Rios to play 3B.

 

However, I still think Dodgers bring back fan and clubhouse favorite Justin Turner since they are over the luxury tax already, unfortunately.

[DR28]

Dodgers also have Edwin Rios to play 3B.

 

However, I still think Dodgers bring back fan and clubhouse favorite Justin Turner since they are over the luxury tax already, unfortunately.

 

I thought I read something about if $50 million over or something, huge taxes and loss of draft picks.

[brewerfan82]

Found this: http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-tax#:~:text=A%20club%20exceeding%20the%20Competitive,a%2050%20percent%20luxury%20tax.

 

Important parts seems to be:

 

A club exceeding the Competitive Balance Tax threshold for the first time must pay a 20 percent tax on all overages. A club exceeding the threshold for a second consecutive season will see that figure rise to 30 percent, and three or more straight seasons of exceeding the threshold comes with a 50 percent luxury tax. If a club dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset. So, a club that exceeds the threshold for two straight seasons but then drops below that level would be back at 20 percent the next time it exceeds the threshold.

 

Clubs that exceed the threshold by $20 million to $40 million are also subject to a 12 percent surtax. Meanwhile, those who exceed it by more than $40 million are taxed at a 42.5 percent rate the first time and a 45 percent rate if they exceed it by more than $40 million again the following year(s).

 

Beginning in 2018, clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead.

 

Edit: Sorry didn't see this already posted earlier!

[DR28]

Read that signing Bauer does not change Dodgers pursuit of Turner... Must be fricken nice to have oodles of money.

[brewerfan82]

Read that signing Bauer does not change Dodgers pursuit of Turner... Must be fricken nice to have oodles of money.

That's just Turner's agent using the Dodgers to drive up the price for the Brewers. Right? Anyone?

[Warning Track Power]

Read that signing Bauer does not change Dodgers pursuit of Turner... Must be fricken nice to have oodles of money.

Baseball has forever been broken. Why is it any surprise to anyone that MLB is third in terms of popularity to the NFL and NBA? Garbage league run by garbage people and the players Union is worse.

[pacopete4]

I’ll take a major stoppage of play if it meant fixing the economics of baseball.

[DR28]

With that news above, I'm definitely bringing down my excitement and chances that we land Turner.

 

I'm sure we'll get the news this weekend they re-signed him.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I'm pretty sure the Dodgers have some significant money coming off the books following the 2021 if they really need to reset their luxury tax threshold - they also have a glut of prospect talent in their system that could help with enticing other teams to take on bloated veteran salaries if they wanted to try and free up room for Bellinger, Seager, Buehler extensions that will most likely be happening.

 

In short, it's nice to be the Dodgers in this baseball economic marketplace - just like it's nice to be the Yankees...for the markets that actually need gameday attendance with fans to even act like a mid market (ala Milwaukee), it makes the gap between haves and have-nots economically even wider when it comes to using $$ to acquire talent.

[brooks_quichenick]

Read that signing Bauer does not change Dodgers pursuit of Turner... Must be fricken nice to have oodles of money.

Baseball has forever been broken. Why is it any surprise to anyone that MLB is third in terms of popularity to the NFL and NBA? Garbage league run by garbage people and the players Union is worse.

 

You're going to need to show your work if you somehow come to the conclusion that the Players Union is "worse" than the billionaire ownership and the league office that operates to advance the interests of those owners.

[SRB]

I could be wrong about how the luxury tax actually works, but if it is true that the Dodgers were under the luxury task last year, then for the Dodgers to match a 2/$30M offer by the Brewers, it would cost them about $10M in penalties plus the lower draft pick.

 

Without Turner

Bauer = ~35M over, at 32% (20% + 12%) = $11.2M

 

With Turner at $15M AAV

Bauer + Turner = ~50M over, at 42.5% = $14.9M + $6.4M = $21.3M

 

And that's assuming they can get under the payroll tax in 2022 despite Bauer's huge salary.

 

So do the Dodgers value Turner at 2/$40M, or 3/$55M?

[NievesNoNO]

So pretty much we're not really competing against LA dollars, but really only if the Dodgers want to bring him back. I don't think a few million more or even another year is going to do it, honestly. I think it'll have to be fairly significant.

 

Maybe if they bring him back we can trade for Rios

[wibadgers23]

So pretty much we're not really competing against LA dollars, but really only if the Dodgers want to bring him back. I don't think a few million more or even another year is going to do it, honestly. I think it'll have to be fairly significant.

 

Maybe if they bring him back we can trade for Rios

 

Great point. Wonder what it would take to acquire Rios?

[Warning Track Power]

Read that signing Bauer does not change Dodgers pursuit of Turner... Must be fricken nice to have oodles of money.

Baseball has forever been broken. Why is it any surprise to anyone that MLB is third in terms of popularity to the NFL and NBA? Garbage league run by garbage people and the players Union is worse.

 

You're going to need to show your work if you somehow come to the conclusion that the Players Union is "worse" than the billionaire ownership and the league office that operates to advance the interests of those owners.

My point is solely about the competitive playing field. You think it is coincidence that Giannis stays with the Bucks and Rodgers stays with the Packers? If the Brewers had Mike Trout, he’d have been gone once he hit FA. See Fielder, P. as evidence.

 

It’s why MLB continues to get lapped by the well run NFL and NBA.

[Eye Black]

I would be all for the Brewers acquiring Rios.

 

I wouldn't totally rule out that the Dodgers could acquire another top flight shortstop at some point this season with the idea of moving Seager to third base during his final year under contract.

[DR28]

So pretty much we're not really competing against LA dollars, but really only if the Dodgers want to bring him back. I don't think a few million more or even another year is going to do it, honestly. I think it'll have to be fairly significant.

 

Maybe if they bring him back we can trade for Rios

 

We could be against Braves, Mets, etc for Turner as well.

[HarveysWBs]

I think there is about a 90% chance Turner will be re-signing with the Dodgers.

 

Based on what, your own opinion?

 

No, based on science.

[tigerbrew]

This is Turner's last contract so getting top dollar will probably matter most to him, Mark A should increase the offer to seal the deal. The Dodgers haven't signed him because they didn't offer him the top dollar.

[wntrtxn21]

This is Turner's last contract so getting top dollar will probably matter most to him, Mark A should increase the offer to seal the deal. The Dodgers haven't signed him because they didn't offer him the top dollar.

 

There comes a point to a team with limited finances where "top dollar" is way to much to pay to a 36 year old player.

[JohnBriggs12]

This is Turner's last contract so getting top dollar will probably matter most to him, Mark A should increase the offer to seal the deal. The Dodgers haven't signed him because they didn't offer him the top dollar.

 

There comes a point to a team with limited finances where "top dollar" is way to much to pay to a 36 year old player.

 

Turner seems to be one guy who's aging well. I don't think he's going to be a 25-30 HR guy anymore like a Nelson Cruz, but he is an amazing hitter nonetheless and combines a high BA, low strikeout rate, and high OBP. That's a pretty rare combination these days. If you give him 3 years, the 3rd year will be an overpay, but Cain will off the books after 2022 and if the universal DH returns under the new CBA, he can transition to DH.

[Sixtofan]

Agree. I think we get two good years out of Turner but have to pay him for three (or more). I would love it. Urias as the super sub (eventually taking over for Arcia at SS if he turns back into bad Orlando at some point) and this is a solid team.

[LincolnDD]

So pretty much we're not really competing against LA dollars, but really only if the Dodgers want to bring him back. I don't think a few million more or even another year is going to do it, honestly. I think it'll have to be fairly significant.

 

Maybe if they bring him back we can trade for Rios

 

We could be against Braves, Mets, etc for Turner as well.

 

Does Ozuna re-signing take the Braves out of the running? Uncertainty about the DH still plays here, and without it it's Ozuna in left with Riley at third.

 

The Nats still feel like a team to watch closely on Turner.

 

I could also see the Dodgers do something wonky and trade for Kris Bryant since they've already blown past the threshold. Take a bigger hit this year, and then be free of any big money commitment at third after 2021.