Justin Turner

[OldSchoolSnapper]

This would probably be pretty easy to look up but how old was ARam when we signed him. I remember thinking he was past his prime and that ended up being a pretty good signing for us. Plus were able to still ship him out once he wasn't needed. I think Turner would be very similar signing plus now we have the DH in sight.

 

What's funny is that A-Ram was arguably better all-around than Fielder who we had just lost. It was the pitching on the '12 that sunk them. Specifically the pen if memory serves. But that offense was very, very good. Sorry to derail.

[Outlander]

This would probably be pretty easy to look up but how old was ARam when we signed him. I remember thinking he was past his prime and that ended up being a pretty good signing for us. Plus were able to still ship him out once he wasn't needed. I think Turner would be very similar signing plus now we have the DH in sight.

 

I hope people aren’t forgetting how good Ramirez was for us. Ridiculous first season, all star in his 2nd year and was traded in 2nd half of 3rd year putting up 31 homers.

 

If Turner is anywhere near that, give the guy any 3 year deal. Now.

Misremembering a little bit. He no doubt had a monster first year and probably would have his second year as well but had constant knee injuries and only played about half his games. His third year his offensive production dipped quite a bit and he was a shell of his former self his 4th year when the Brewers traded him away.

[Simba2020]

This would probably be pretty easy to look up but how old was ARam when we signed him. I remember thinking he was past his prime and that ended up being a pretty good signing for us. Plus were able to still ship him out once he wasn't needed. I think Turner would be very similar signing plus now we have the DH in sight.

 

I hope people aren’t forgetting how good Ramirez was for us. Ridiculous first season, all star in his 2nd year and was traded in 2nd half of 3rd year putting up 31 homers.

 

If Turner is anywhere near that, give the guy any 3 year deal. Now.

Ramirez was fantastic for us the first year of his contract and mediocre the next two years although he still posted solid batting averages both years. He was 33 years old when he first played a game for the Brewers. We exercised an option on him for year 4 when he was 36 to begin the season turning 37 in the middle of it. He fell off considerably in 2015, was eventually traded and then retired.

 

The falloff was pretty swift. Who's to say Turner won't fall off just as dramatically at basically the same age as Ramirez? Obviously nobody can know for certain but there is no way I'd go past two years on a contract. He hasn't exactly been that durable in his career either averaging just 120 games the last 4 years (after pro-rating 2020). Personally, I would pass.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The Ramirez is just making me realize how long it's been since this team had a viable 3B they developed. Cirillo? I'm not going to count Bill Hall.

[wallus]

I look at Turner as a way for us to be the clear favorites to win the division this year and possibly next. We have nobody really knocking on the door that would challenge him in the next 2 seasons.

 

My only concern is signing a player that might not want to be here. (If reports are correct that he wants to stay in LA)

[Simba2020]

The Ramirez is just making me realize how long it's been since this team had a viable 3B they developed. Cirillo? I'm not going to count Bill Hall.

I think Cirillo is about it in franchise history depending on what position you want to assign Molitor, Sheffield and Braun.

[AJOHNSON104]

Molitor played a decent amount of 3B and would likely be the best we've had. Cirillo probably next. Don Money was pretty good, but that is also a long time ago. Since Cirillo it has basically been A-Ram and not much else. A few guys had a good year or two like McGehee, Seitzer, Shaw. Could really use a long term solution at the position, but then again they need one at 1B, too. I like Turner, I just think he's too old and don't think he's taking a 1-2 year deal to play in Milwaukee.

[CheezWizHed]

Hard to say we developed Seitzer or Shaw. [sarcasm]And how quickly we forget Wes Helms?[/sarcasm] (maybe that was on purpose?)

 

Taylor Green, Matt Gamel, Lucas Erceg... a lot of promise but never actually finding a 3B out of them.

[TURBO]

I'm guessing at this point, that Erceg can be chalked up to a complete and total bust? Man, I really thought he would be our 3B of the future when he was in Appleton.

 

Back to Turner, as much as I want him, I think it would be a financial disaster to sign him for more than 2 years. If it takes more than 2, I'm assuming we are out of the conversation to begin with.

 

How about a one year deal for 18 million? Doubt he'd be up for that since he wants to cash out on his last contract, but it would be great for us, less risk and it wouldn't kill us the next 2-3 years...

[monty57]

I'm guessing at this point, that Erceg can be chalked up to a complete and total bust? Man, I really thought he would be our 3B of the future when he was in Appleton.

 

Back to Turner, as much as I want him, I think it would be a financial disaster to sign him for more than 2 years. If it takes more than 2, I'm assuming we are out of the conversation to begin with.

 

How about a one year deal for 18 million? Doubt he'd be up for that since he wants to cash out on his last contract, but it would be great for us, less risk and it wouldn't kill us the next 2-3 years...

 

If I recall correctly, one of the main reasons Cain signed was that we added the extra year. I think that's been the case in other situations as well (maybe A-Ram?). I'd guess that the reason we're still in conversations with Turner is that Attanasio is willing to add the extra year.

 

To your first sentence, I saw some bombs Erceg hit in Spring Training and the minors and had high hopes for him. Too bad he stalled out. That we have no "heir apparent" sitting in the minors is probably one reason the Brewers may be willing to add the extra year for Turner. Even if he regresses and is overpaid, he's still not blocking anyone.

 

I'm torn on the potential signing. I should hate it, as I never like signing older players to multi-year deals, but for some reason I'm excited about the notion. I think it's just that I've never been more ready for a baseball season to start than I am right now, and he would be an exciting player to watch this season. Plus, it will get Cubs fans even more depressed as they watch their team fall apart if the lowly Brewers are spending and they aren't.

 

I guess I'm at the point of: The Brewers would probably be better off not signing him to a 3- or 4-year deal, but I'll be excited to watch him play if they decide to go for it. At least they wouldn't be thinning out the already thin farm.

[Eye Black]

Hard to say we developed Seitzer or Shaw. [sarcasm]And how quickly we forget Wes Helms?[/sarcasm] (maybe that was on purpose?)

 

Taylor Green, Matt Gamel, Lucas Erceg... a lot of promise but never actually finding a 3B out of them.

As far as Brewers developed third baseman, Brett Lawrie did have 15.6 WAR through age 26... just obviously not for the Brewers. He was also never nearly as incredible of a hitter as he looked in his brief debut season in the majors at 21-years old.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm guessing at this point, that Erceg can be chalked up to a complete and total bust? Man, I really thought he would be our 3B of the future when he was in Appleton.

 

Back to Turner, as much as I want him, I think it would be a financial disaster to sign him for more than 2 years. If it takes more than 2, I'm assuming we are out of the conversation to begin with.

 

How about a one year deal for 18 million? Doubt he'd be up for that since he wants to cash out on his last contract, but it would be great for us, less risk and it wouldn't kill us the next 2-3 years...

 

I wouldn't go that far as labeling it financial disaster. A financial disaster would be Yelich not returning to his form. Remember it's quite likely that under the new CBA, the DH will return in 2022 and Turner to this point has aged quite well. Let him DH for the most part in his last couple years. Not saying he's the next Nelson Cruz, but he'll likely be able to hit enough to justify his lineup spot. Turner's annual salary is not going to be debilitating. It's going to be closer to an Aramis Ramirez type deal. Ramirez was expensive in his last year but not a disaster.

[brewtank34]

Frankly I’m just getting p*sssd off the more this Turner thing plays out. Just sign already! So many other free agent/moves are pending based on his decision. Just get it done so other teams and players can work out their deals.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Frankly I’m just getting p*sssd off the more this Turner thing plays out. Just sign already! So many other free agent/moves are pending based on his decision. Just get it done so other teams and players can work out their deals.

 

The Dodgers haven't even made a roster move yet to announce the Bauer signing. They are at the point where they are going to have to drop good, talented players who are on their 40-man in order to fit in any new acquisitions. It makes me think that they are perhaps working on a trade to alleviate the logjam. I'm guessing it will be two players on their 40-man for non 40-man players, which would free up space for Bauer and Turner.

[Jopal78]

How much regression is really likely by signing Turner to a 3 year contract? He's not a "power hitter" in the classic sense of putting up a .500+ slugging percentage every year.

 

Rather, Turner is a very good all-round baseball player. He makes good contact: his hard hit% in 2020 would have lead the Brewers and his 2019 mark would have been 3rd on the team. He doesn't strike out much having gone over 100 only once in his career. He knows what he is doing at the plate: his OBP the last 3 years is .389 (age 33, 34 and 35) which would be second on the Brewers after Yelich. Plus, he also historically has been strong and scoring runners from 3rd with less than two outs, which again is a product of having a good approach at the plate, which isn't something that regresses as suddenly as power for example.

 

In fact, there isn't a 2021 projection for Turner where his OBP is below .360 which even assuming he did regress in years two and three of his contract, more probably true than not he would remain league average in getting on base. Same thing with his slugging percentage, absent a total power failure, even with regression he'd remain league average.

[SRB]

Regression is already being priced into any potential Turner contract, assuming he signs for something like $15 million AAV. If he were 30 and was coming off having a .400+ OBP in three of the last four seasons as a capable infielder, he might be looking at a $30 million AAV mega contract.

[Jopal78]

Frankly I’m just getting p*sssd off the more this Turner thing plays out. Just sign already! So many other free agent/moves are pending based on his decision. Just get it done so other teams and players can work out their deals.

 

The Dodgers haven't even made a roster move yet to announce the Bauer signing. They are at the point where they are going to have to drop good, talented players who are on their 40-man in order to fit in any new acquisitions. It makes me think that they are perhaps working on a trade to alleviate the logjam. I'm guessing it will be two players on their 40-man for non 40-man players, which would free up space for Bauer and Turner.

 

I would imagine the Dodgers are looking to trade David Price (who opted out last year), with Bauer, Kershaw, Buehler, May and Urias there isn't a reason to bump one of them from the rotation for David Price.

 

Price's contract calls for 16 million per season in 2021 and 2022 (Red Sox picking up other half of his 32 million/Season contract). I would imagine the Dodgers are attempting to trade him and in order to move 32 million dollars in contract commitments may have to include some of the lower end players on the 40 man like Luke Raley, etc.

[SRB]

Frankly I’m just getting p*sssd off the more this Turner thing plays out. Just sign already! So many other free agent/moves are pending based on his decision. Just get it done so other teams and players can work out their deals.

 

The Dodgers haven't even made a roster move yet to announce the Bauer signing. They are at the point where they are going to have to drop good, talented players who are on their 40-man in order to fit in any new acquisitions. It makes me think that they are perhaps working on a trade to alleviate the logjam. I'm guessing it will be two players on their 40-man for non 40-man players, which would free up space for Bauer and Turner.

 

I would imagine the Dodgers are looking to trade David Price (who opted out last year), with Bauer, Kershaw, Buehler, May and Urias there isn't a reason to bump one of them from the rotation for David Price.

 

Price's contract calls for 16 million per season in 2021 and 2022 (Red Sox picking up other half of his 32 million/Season contract). I would imagine the Dodgers are attempting to trade him and in order to move 32 million dollars in contract commitments may have to include some of the lower end players on the 40 man like Luke Raley, etc.

 

Brewers get:

SP David Price

3B Edwin Rios

 

Dodgers get:

PTBNL

 

Thoughts? Not sure I would do that actually, as just based on reading things I'm not convinced Rios can stick at 3B. Certainly wouldn't mind having Price though.

[Madhawk23]

The Dodgers haven't even made a roster move yet to announce the Bauer signing. They are at the point where they are going to have to drop good, talented players who are on their 40-man in order to fit in any new acquisitions. It makes me think that they are perhaps working on a trade to alleviate the logjam. I'm guessing it will be two players on their 40-man for non 40-man players, which would free up space for Bauer and Turner.

 

I would imagine the Dodgers are looking to trade David Price (who opted out last year), with Bauer, Kershaw, Buehler, May and Urias there isn't a reason to bump one of them from the rotation for David Price.

 

Price's contract calls for 16 million per season in 2021 and 2022 (Red Sox picking up other half of his 32 million/Season contract). I would imagine the Dodgers are attempting to trade him and in order to move 32 million dollars in contract commitments may have to include some of the lower end players on the 40 man like Luke Raley, etc.

 

Brewers get:

SP David Price

3B Edwin Rios

 

Dodgers get:

PTBNL

 

Thoughts? Not sure I would do that actually, as just based on reading things I'm not convinced Rios can stick at 3B. Certainly wouldn't mind having Price though.

 

Hmmm....this is actually somewhat intriguing. It would help us solve our need for a LHP in the rotation, as well as our need for a 3B. Like you said - I don't know how well Rios can play 3B, but if he can be adequate there - the bat should play, right?

 

I'd almost think that we'd need to have the Dodgers kick in a little $$ though for Price. I know that would then involve us upping the prospects going back to them, but I'm guessing we wouldn't have to give up any of our top 8-10 prospects in this type of a deal.

 

This would help the Dodgers create more space in their 40 man, and also then give them the extra cash to go out and re-sign JT if they want to go that route.

 

Does Price have a no-trade clause?

[Madhawk23]

Hmmm....this is actually somewhat intriguing. It would help us solve our need for a LHP in the rotation, as well as our need for a 3B. Like you said - I don't know how well Rios can play 3B, but if he can be adequate there - the bat should play, right?

 

I'd almost think that we'd need to have the Dodgers kick in a little $$ though for Price. I know that would then involve us upping the prospects going back to them, but I'm guessing we wouldn't have to give up any of our top 8-10 prospects in this type of a deal.

 

This would help the Dodgers create more space in their 40 man, and also then give them the extra cash to go out and re-sign JT if they want to go that route.

 

Does Price have a no-trade clause?

[wntrtxn21]

The Dodgers haven't even made a roster move yet to announce the Bauer signing. They are at the point where they are going to have to drop good, talented players who are on their 40-man in order to fit in any new acquisitions. It makes me think that they are perhaps working on a trade to alleviate the logjam. I'm guessing it will be two players on their 40-man for non 40-man players, which would free up space for Bauer and Turner.

 

I would imagine the Dodgers are looking to trade David Price (who opted out last year), with Bauer, Kershaw, Buehler, May and Urias there isn't a reason to bump one of them from the rotation for David Price.

 

Price's contract calls for 16 million per season in 2021 and 2022 (Red Sox picking up other half of his 32 million/Season contract). I would imagine the Dodgers are attempting to trade him and in order to move 32 million dollars in contract commitments may have to include some of the lower end players on the 40 man like Luke Raley, etc.

 

Brewers get:

SP David Price

3B Edwin Rios

 

Dodgers get:

PTBNL

 

Thoughts? Not sure I would do that actually, as just based on reading things I'm not convinced Rios can stick at 3B. Certainly wouldn't mind having Price though.

 

Hmmm....this is actually somewhat intriguing. It would help us solve our need for a LHP in the rotation, as well as our need for a 3B. Like you said - I don't know how well Rios can play 3B, but if he can be adequate there - the bat should play, right?

 

I'd almost think that we'd need to have the Dodgers kick in a little $$ though for Price. I know that would then involve us upping the prospects going back to them, but I'm guessing we wouldn't have to give up any of our top 8-10 prospects in this type of a deal.

 

This would help the Dodgers create more space in their 40 man, and also then give them the extra cash to go out and re-sign JT if they want to go that route.

 

Does Price have a no-trade clause?

 

I just can't imagine Arnold/Stearns/MA wanting to spend $32M on Price.

[Madhawk23]

I agree that it doesn't seem likely at all that we'd want to pay 32M on Price - but what if we get the Dodgers to pay at least 12M of that, which would knock it down to about 10M per year that we would then owe Price?

 

Brewers get:

Price

Rios

12M

 

Dodgers get:

Zack Brown

Jesus Parra (or some other teenage lottery ticket)

 

Yeah? No?

[brewerfan82]

That'd be awesome. Even if Rios can't stick at 3rd long term, having some combo of him and Hiura covering 1B and DH after this year isn't too shabby either.

[pacopete4]

As nice as it would be to nab Rios, no. I don't want to take on the money with Price for what we most likely would get out of him. I don't feel like bailing the Dodgers out of that one.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I agree that it doesn't seem likely at all that we'd want to pay 32M on Price - but what if we get the Dodgers to pay at least 12M of that, which would knock it down to about 10M per year that we would then owe Price?

 

Brewers get:

Price

Rios

12M

 

Dodgers get:

Zack Brown

Jesus Parra (or some other teenage lottery ticket)

 

Yeah? No?

 

I think I'd much rather tell the Dodgers to pound sand and have both the Red Sox and Dodgers pay Price a total of $64M dollars to do basically nothing for their rosters the next two seasons. LAD does have quite a bit of money coming off their books over the next couple years, but they'll also need to pay the piper to retain some of their young studs as they approach or reach free agency. Until the financial landscape for MLB changes to try and actually balance the economic playing field, I'd like to see big market bullies get stuck with dealing with financial commitments that at least lead to them having to do partial teardowns every so often. When they have to do so, there's always that chance they make enough wrong roster/personnel moves and wind up where the Red Sox and Cubs currently are as large market organizations kind of stuck in limbo with their rosters.