Justin Turner

[Lathund]

I just hope MA is involved for the right reasons. As in, Stearns wants JT and MA is doing what he can to make that happen. As opposed to this being a MA-driven signing that Stearns might not want. I doubt it's the latter, as I think MA has seemingly given Stearns a lot of autonomy in recent years. But hey, if MA is willing to go beyond and loosen the purse strings more than he otherwise would, then I'm all for it.

 

If no Turner, then I'm not too keen on the free agent 3B options out there. I would rather adress it via trade (Hader) or see what they have in Green/Robertson/Urias and pivot elsewhere (SP?) with the remaining money. JT himself was a 26 year old who had struggled a bit in his first couple seasons, and not shown much power. Only to unlock it via a swing change. Now there's Robertson who trains at thet same facility as JT in the offseason, with a similar swing, hoping to unlock something. It's unlikely he becomes JT, but at the same time finding the JTs, Max Muncys, Mike Yastrzemskis, Gio Urshelas etc. is something a team should do, particularly when the budget is limited. Now I have no idea how the Brewers actually view Green/Robertson. Are they guys they really believe in and think they can unlock something in? After all, they do have access to far more data than is in the public sphere. Or are they simply guys they brought in mostly for depth? If it's the latter, they need to make some kind of move to improve 3B, but if not then I'd like to see them trust their evaluations.

[Warning Track Power]

For all those wanting to give Justin Turner a 3 year deal, he is only 1 year younger than Ryan Braun. Not saying it's a good idea or a bad one to sign him, just providing some perspective as to his age.

[Underachiever]

Turner is going back to the Dodgers or if the Mets overpay maybe he goes there. The question then becomes do we go sign Franco or let Punch and Judy Urias slug .350 or so at the hot corner.

 

I still think this offense is woefully short to be a contender even in a weak division.

Do you want Turner?

[brewerfan82]

For all those wanting to give Justin Turner a 3 year deal, he is only 1 year younger than Ryan Braun. Not saying it's a good idea or a bad one to sign him, just providing some perspective as to his age.

Valid comparison, however I'd also argue that Turner is aging better than Braun, seems to have a stronger desire to keep playing, and we also have a bigger need for him on this team than Braun:

 

2019-20:

 

That said, I'd love Braun back for a season as well!

[DR28]

Hmmm Dodgers must really not want Turner back, there checking into Garrett Cooper now.

[brewmann04]

It sounds like Turner using the Mets to increase his money.

[Eye Black]

Hmmm Dodgers must really not want Turner back, there checking into Garrett Cooper now.

I wonder if their non-Turner plan could be something like this...

 

vs RHP: Muncy at 1B; Rios at 3B

 

vs LHP: Cooper at 1B; Muncy at 3B

 

Muncy has reverse splits for his career, so better against LHP.

[DR28]

Hmmm Dodgers must really not want Turner back, there checking into Garrett Cooper now.

I wonder if their non-Turner plan could be something like this...

 

vs RHP: Muncy at 1B; Rios at 3B

 

vs LHP: Cooper at 1B; Muncy at 3B

 

Muncy has reverse splits for his career, so better against LHP.

 

Agreed, its gotta be something like that.

 

Ok Justin, it's clear the Dodgers dont want to pay you... Just come to Milwaukee, we want you and we'll pay you handsomely.

[wibadgers23]

My concern now is the Mets swooping in at the last minute and offering Turner a big contract. They missed out on Springer and Bauer so they’re probably itching to do something.

[Fear The Chorizo]

My concern now is the Mets swooping in at the last minute and offering Turner a big contract. They missed out on Springer and Bauer so they’re probably itching to do something.

 

I mean, trading for Lindor and likely offering him the moon in terms of a huge contract extension IS at least a little something, right? Their payroll is right around $190M right now, and that's with Pete Alonso making $575K for 2021...between Lindor's likely extension and what should be every effort on their part to get Alonso under an initial extension that actually pays him something close to his on-field value and buys a year or two of free agency out (he is already 26...might make for contentious arbitration moving forward), the Mets will easily jump up to the luxury tax payroll thresholds without adding any more free agents just with their current roster in the very near future.

 

That being said, if it's between Mets and Brewers, the Mets do obviously have more $ to throw at a 36yr old free agent

[DR28]

My concern now is the Mets swooping in at the last minute and offering Turner a big contract. They missed out on Springer and Bauer so they’re probably itching to do something.

 

I mean, trading for Lindor and likely offering him the moon in terms of a huge contract extension IS at least a little something, right? Their payroll is right around $190M right now, and that's with Pete Alonso making $575K for 2021...between Lindor's likely extension and what should be every effort on their part to get Alonso under an initial extension that actually pays him something close to his on-field value and buys a year or two of free agency out (he is already 26...might make for contentious arbitration moving forward), the Mets will easily jump up to the luxury tax payroll thresholds without adding any more free agents just with their current roster in the very near future.

 

That being said, if it's between Mets and Brewers, the Mets do obviously have more $ to throw at a 36yr old free agent

 

I read on Twitter it doesnt sound like Mets will reach a deal with Turner... Off on years and dollars or something like that.

[bergstein24]

My concern now is the Mets swooping in at the last minute and offering Turner a big contract. They missed out on Springer and Bauer so they’re probably itching to do something.

 

They just signed Jonathan Villar. Hopefully, that will take care of that

 

Also, this is my first post, hello everyone!

[PeaveyFury]

I read on Twitter it doesnt sound like Mets will reach a deal with Turner... Off on years and dollars or something like that.

 

It really seems like it's a two-team contest for Turner. He likely wants to go back to LA if all else is equal or close to it, but I'd bet that they're not in the ballpark with their offer right now, and Milwaukee is offering more years. In the end, I think he'll end up having to choose a far inferior deal to stay in LA because he wants to, otherwise I think he signs with Milwaukee.

[AKCheesehead]

I'm sorry to say it but I think he'll sign with Milwaukee because I don't want him to sign with Milwaukee.

[DR28]

I read on Twitter it doesnt sound like Mets will reach a deal with Turner... Off on years and dollars or something like that.

 

It really seems like it's a two-team contest for Turner. He likely wants to go back to LA if all else is equal or close to it, but I'd bet that they're not in the ballpark with their offer right now, and Milwaukee is offering more years. In the end, I think he'll end up having to choose a far inferior deal to stay in LA because he wants to, otherwise I think he signs with Milwaukee.

 

I think so as well.... I guess the Braves are also still involved but I doubt it, they just shelled out for Ozuna.

 

But who knows, every team (except for us) has unlimited funds apparently.

[adambr2]

I'm sorry to say it but I think he'll sign with Milwaukee because I don't want him to sign with Milwaukee.

 

Can I ask why? I figure it isn't my money, he certainly is far better than our existing 3B options and makes us a better team in a division we can win.

 

Hadn't really seen much of the anti-Turner camp so I was just honestly curious on your reasoning.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Probably because he's an old declining player but the Brewers are so barren at the position it really doesn't make a difference.

[wibadgers23]

Probably because he's an old declining player but the Brewers are so barren at the position it really doesn't make a difference.

 

Yeah if they sign him to a 3 year deal, they MIGHT have a 3B in the minors ready to take over by the time the contract is over. That’s how barren 3B has been.

[monty57]

I'm sorry to say it but I think he'll sign with Milwaukee because I don't want him to sign with Milwaukee.

 

I get what you're saying. I'd be excited if they sign him, as it should make the Brewers the favorites to win the division this year. However, multi-year deals to older players usually don't end well, and Brewer fans will probably be wishing they didn't have to pay Turner in three or four years.

 

With the lack of 3B talent in the system, at least he wouldn't be blocking a good prospect from making the majors.

[AKCheesehead]

I'm sorry to say it but I think he'll sign with Milwaukee because I don't want him to sign with Milwaukee.

 

Can I ask why? I figure it isn't my money, he certainly is far better than our existing 3B options and makes us a better team in a division we can win.

 

Hadn't really seen much of the anti-Turner camp so I was just honestly curious on your reasoning.

 

Because of his age. I just cannot envision him living up to the contract he'll get. He's too old.

 

If it takes a 3 year deal, I believe over 3 years Urias may very well amass more WAR than Turner. (if Urias were given the chance to be a starter at 3b, that is)

 

I'd be fine with a 1 year deal but that's about it.

[bergstein24]

He still shows great Statcast numbers on baseballsavant, has a career .369 OBP and doesn't strike out all that much. With the DH more than likely coming to the NL in 2022, it would be easier to stomach a longer-term deal for him.

[brewerfan82]

Because of his age. I just cannot envision him living up to the contract he'll get. He's too old.

Since we don't know what he'll be getting, is there threshhold on a 3 year deal that you'd be okay with? If it was only $10M per year would you still have an issue? $13M per okay?

 

He just doesn't seem to be declining to the point that he wouldn't be at least a nice DH option in year 2 and 3 to me (similar feelings on Braun right now if the DH were in effect).

[Dresden files]

This would probably be pretty easy to look up but how old was ARam when we signed him. I remember thinking he was past his prime and that ended up being a pretty good signing for us. Plus were able to still ship him out once he wasn't needed. I think Turner would be very similar signing plus now we have the DH in sight.

[bergstein24]

This would probably be pretty easy to look up but how old was ARam when we signed him. I remember thinking he was past his prime and that ended up being a pretty good signing for us. Plus were able to still ship him out once he wasn't needed. I think Turner would be very similar signing plus now we have the DH in sight.

 

 

He was going into his age 34 season according to Spotrac. 3 years for $32 million with $6 million deferred.

[titletownking]

This would probably be pretty easy to look up but how old was ARam when we signed him. I remember thinking he was past his prime and that ended up being a pretty good signing for us. Plus were able to still ship him out once he wasn't needed. I think Turner would be very similar signing plus now we have the DH in sight.

 

I hope people aren’t forgetting how good Ramirez was for us. Ridiculous first season, all star in his 2nd year and was traded in 2nd half of 3rd year putting up 31 homers.

 

If Turner is anywhere near that, give the guy any 3 year deal. Now.