Report: Rodgers wants new contract (Update: May not want to return in 2021)

[CheezWizHed]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

[CheezWizHed]

Brett Favre isn’t even in the same zip code as Aaron Rodgers...but that’s just my opinion.

 

Mississippi vs. California... Nope.

[JET15]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

 

Yeah, well, ditto for Mr Starr and the abuse and crappy equipment he had.

 

RIP Bart. Always #1 in my book

[JET15]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

 

Yeah, well, ditto for Mr Starr and the abuse and crappy equipment he had.

 

RIP Bart. Always #1 in my book

[DuWayne Steurer]

Personally I don't think Favre is even that close to Rodgers. The stats maybe inflated a bit for Rodgers, but not that much, and I'm not one to rely much on championships or title appearances, but just the eye test and body of work make Rodgers the clearly superior player in my eyes.

 

I don't think Rodgers plays well in Favre's era nor vice-versa. Both were what we needed when we needed them.

 

What does this even mean? Their eras are barely separated and they played against each other for 3 years. Rodgers is one of the most accurate passers of all time. He would have done just fine in "Favre's era" and vice versa. They both had other worldly skills and rocket arms. People always mention the eras in regards to the stats as if Favre played in the 1960s. It's such an overstated thing.

 

 

In 2020, the league averaged 65.2 % on completions, and 3800 yards passing per game, and a 2.2% int rate.

 

Just 13 years ago, Brett's last year in GB, the league averaged 61.2 % completions (pretty significant), 3400 yards passing, and had a 3.1% interception rate.

 

It's not a HUGE change, but it's significant. The league is definitely slanting more towards accurate, risk averse passing, and passing more.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Personally I don't think Favre is even that close to Rodgers. The stats maybe inflated a bit for Rodgers, but not that much, and I'm not one to rely much on championships or title appearances, but just the eye test and body of work make Rodgers the clearly superior player in my eyes.

 

I don't think Rodgers plays well in Favre's era nor vice-versa. Both were what we needed when we needed them.

 

What does this even mean? Their eras are barely separated and they played against each other for 3 years. Rodgers is one of the most accurate passers of all time. He would have done just fine in "Favre's era" and vice versa. They both had other worldly skills and rocket arms. People always mention the eras in regards to the stats as if Favre played in the 1960s. It's such an overstated thing.

 

 

In 2020, the league averaged 65.2 % on completions, and 3800 yards passing per game, and a 2.2% int rate.

 

Just 13 years ago, Brett's last year in GB, the league averaged 61.2 % completions (pretty significant), 3400 yards passing, and had a 3.1% interception rate.

 

It's not a HUGE change, but it's significant. The league is definitely slanting more towards accurate, risk averse passing, and passing more.

[HiAndTight]

I refuse to believe the Packers front office is stupid enough to somehow tick off a legend QB, have him win a MVP, tick him off more, and then he never plays for them again.

 

I don’t care who the QB is...you can’t be dumb enough to let that happen. If it does Love either wins them a Super Bowl or Gute and Co. go down as the biggest idiots in Green Bay history.

 

They're most of the way there...I certainly hope you're right though.

[HiAndTight]

I refuse to believe the Packers front office is stupid enough to somehow tick off a legend QB, have him win a MVP, tick him off more, and then he never plays for them again.

 

I don’t care who the QB is...you can’t be dumb enough to let that happen. If it does Love either wins them a Super Bowl or Gute and Co. go down as the biggest idiots in Green Bay history.

 

They're most of the way there...I certainly hope you're right though.

[OldHeidelberg]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

 

It could be I just don’t remember it right but the idea that Favre took a pounding in his career I think is based on him playing through some injuries and of course the saints game. They both played behind some pretty good lines and had seasons where they took a lot of sacks. I think one thing they had in common is being good at moving in the pocket and avoiding awkward hits.

[OldHeidelberg]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

 

It could be I just don’t remember it right but the idea that Favre took a pounding in his career I think is based on him playing through some injuries and of course the saints game. They both played behind some pretty good lines and had seasons where they took a lot of sacks. I think one thing they had in common is being good at moving in the pocket and avoiding awkward hits.

[HiAndTight]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

 

 

Right...he wouldn't have been able to play through a lot of those hits. But to say you don't think he'd have played well in his era? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

The change with QB's becoming more protected came in two phases when Brady got hurt and you couldn't go low on a QB, and then when Rodgers got hurt and they said you couldn't drive through the tackle on a sack.

 

But it's not like Rodgers hasn't been hit or that Joe Montana was some iron man. Rodgers is a better QB than Favre regardless of the era and it's not particularly close.

 

Rodgers career would probably be coming to and end if it hadn't already if he'd played in Favre's era, but I can't see another reason why Rodgers would have less success than Favre at any point.

[HiAndTight]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

 

 

Right...he wouldn't have been able to play through a lot of those hits. But to say you don't think he'd have played well in his era? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

The change with QB's becoming more protected came in two phases when Brady got hurt and you couldn't go low on a QB, and then when Rodgers got hurt and they said you couldn't drive through the tackle on a sack.

 

But it's not like Rodgers hasn't been hit or that Joe Montana was some iron man. Rodgers is a better QB than Favre regardless of the era and it's not particularly close.

 

Rodgers career would probably be coming to and end if it hadn't already if he'd played in Favre's era, but I can't see another reason why Rodgers would have less success than Favre at any point.

[CheezWizHed]

Especially early in his career, Favre normally played poorly (too amped up) until he took a big hit. Fans (myself too) used to root for him to take a good lick and he'd play much better. He was also pretty well known to pop up immediately after a big sack and congratulate the sacker - basically taking away some of the momentum of the sack.

[CheezWizHed]

Especially early in his career, Favre normally played poorly (too amped up) until he took a big hit. Fans (myself too) used to root for him to take a good lick and he'd play much better. He was also pretty well known to pop up immediately after a big sack and congratulate the sacker - basically taking away some of the momentum of the sack.

[HiAndTight]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

 

It could be I just don’t remember it right but the idea that Favre took a pounding in his career I think is based on him playing through some injuries and of course the saints game. They both played behind some pretty good lines and had seasons where they took a lot of sacks. I think one thing they had in common is being good at moving in the pocket and avoiding awkward hits.

 

 

Favre also took more hits by playing stupid, not throwing the ball away, etc...but, there were quite a few hits that Favre took that'd get a player ejected from a game now. Favre was pretty incredible at being able to play through some of them. I thought Greg Lolyd had killed him in a pre-season game when he was unblocked and put the crown of his helmet into Favre's chin.

 

So I think Favre genuinely took a lot more abuse while playing(just listen to him now). Some of Rodgers would have been smart enough to avoid though. And at this point, Rodgers would probably look just about washed up(so that would have at least worked out better than pissing off one of the greatest QB's this much).

[HiAndTight]

Rodgers would not have withstood the pounding that Favre took. QBs are far more protected now. Pretty much the pivot was right around the Viking/NO NFC championship game.

 

This era seems to be predicated on more complicated offenses, minimizing INT and maximizing completion percentages.

 

Both would've been good in the other's timeframe, but I don't think they would've have nearly as good of a career than they had.

 

It could be I just don’t remember it right but the idea that Favre took a pounding in his career I think is based on him playing through some injuries and of course the saints game. They both played behind some pretty good lines and had seasons where they took a lot of sacks. I think one thing they had in common is being good at moving in the pocket and avoiding awkward hits.

 

 

Favre also took more hits by playing stupid, not throwing the ball away, etc...but, there were quite a few hits that Favre took that'd get a player ejected from a game now. Favre was pretty incredible at being able to play through some of them. I thought Greg Lolyd had killed him in a pre-season game when he was unblocked and put the crown of his helmet into Favre's chin.

 

So I think Favre genuinely took a lot more abuse while playing(just listen to him now). Some of Rodgers would have been smart enough to avoid though. And at this point, Rodgers would probably look just about washed up(so that would have at least worked out better than pissing off one of the greatest QB's this much).

[CheezWizHed]

Right...he wouldn't have been able to play through a lot of those hits. But to say you don't think he'd have played well in his era? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

Nope. I said they would not have had as good of careers as they had. It is hard to compare players head to head. Yes, their careers overlapped, but situations are different.

[CheezWizHed]

Right...he wouldn't have been able to play through a lot of those hits. But to say you don't think he'd have played well in his era? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

Nope. I said they would not have had as good of careers as they had. It is hard to compare players head to head. Yes, their careers overlapped, but situations are different.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

In 2020, the league averaged 65.2 % on completions, and 3800 yards passing per game, and a 2.2% int rate.

 

Just 13 years ago, Brett's last year in GB, the league averaged 61.2 % completions (pretty significant), 3400 yards passing, and had a 3.1% interception rate.

 

It's not a HUGE change, but it's significant. The league is definitely slanting more towards accurate, risk averse passing, and passing more.

 

Bit of cherry picking to take 2020 when Rodgers is 37 and was a lock for the HOF like 5 years ago.

 

I don't think anyone will argue that teams pass more than they did in 1997 but I'm not even looking at the stats to say Rodgers is better. He does more things than Favre and does just about every one of them better, besides turn the ball over. Accuracy and mobility aren't close, he has a better deep ball, I guess he gets hurt more...and I call baloney on Rodgers couldn't take a pounding. Rodgers has taken plenty of bad hits.

 

I dunno how anyone can look at Rodgers and say he couldn't play in the 90s...it sounds a bit extreme. It's fair to say his stats are inflated over Favre's, which I said first, but the two aren't all that close IMO when you're talking value added to a team

 

The great divide is the turnovers. There was more tolerance for them in the 90s but the gap between them transcends it. It's enormous.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

In 2020, the league averaged 65.2 % on completions, and 3800 yards passing per game, and a 2.2% int rate.

 

Just 13 years ago, Brett's last year in GB, the league averaged 61.2 % completions (pretty significant), 3400 yards passing, and had a 3.1% interception rate.

 

It's not a HUGE change, but it's significant. The league is definitely slanting more towards accurate, risk averse passing, and passing more.

 

Bit of cherry picking to take 2020 when Rodgers is 37 and was a lock for the HOF like 5 years ago.

 

I don't think anyone will argue that teams pass more than they did in 1997 but I'm not even looking at the stats to say Rodgers is better. He does more things than Favre and does just about every one of them better, besides turn the ball over. Accuracy and mobility aren't close, he has a better deep ball, I guess he gets hurt more...and I call baloney on Rodgers couldn't take a pounding. Rodgers has taken plenty of bad hits.

 

I dunno how anyone can look at Rodgers and say he couldn't play in the 90s...it sounds a bit extreme. It's fair to say his stats are inflated over Favre's, which I said first, but the two aren't all that close IMO when you're talking value added to a team

 

The great divide is the turnovers. There was more tolerance for them in the 90s but the gap between them transcends it. It's enormous.

[HiAndTight]

Especially early in his career, Favre normally played poorly (too amped up) until he took a big hit. Fans (myself too) used to root for him to take a good lick and he'd play much better. He was also pretty well known to pop up immediately after a big sack and congratulate the sacker - basically taking away some of the momentum of the sack.

 

 

Well, I don't remember rooting for the big hit personally, but I definitely remember him coming out and throwing a 110 MPH fastball that would get stuck right in Jackie Harris' facemask...(or go just WAY over his head...Josh Allen like).

 

 

The man was insanely tough for a QB. There's no question about that.

[HiAndTight]

Especially early in his career, Favre normally played poorly (too amped up) until he took a big hit. Fans (myself too) used to root for him to take a good lick and he'd play much better. He was also pretty well known to pop up immediately after a big sack and congratulate the sacker - basically taking away some of the momentum of the sack.

 

 

Well, I don't remember rooting for the big hit personally, but I definitely remember him coming out and throwing a 110 MPH fastball that would get stuck right in Jackie Harris' facemask...(or go just WAY over his head...Josh Allen like).

 

 

The man was insanely tough for a QB. There's no question about that.

[HiAndTight]

Right...he wouldn't have been able to play through a lot of those hits. But to say you don't think he'd have played well in his era? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

Nope. I said they would not have had as good of careers as they had. It is hard to compare players head to head. Yes, their careers overlapped, but situations are different.

 

 

You said you didn't think Rodgers would have played well in Favre's era.

 

 

If you said you don't think he'd put up the same type of numbers he has or that he may have gotten more injured, that I'd agree with...but I see no reason he wouldn't have been the best QB of that era as well.

[HiAndTight]

Right...he wouldn't have been able to play through a lot of those hits. But to say you don't think he'd have played well in his era? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

Nope. I said they would not have had as good of careers as they had. It is hard to compare players head to head. Yes, their careers overlapped, but situations are different.

 

 

You said you didn't think Rodgers would have played well in Favre's era.

 

 

If you said you don't think he'd put up the same type of numbers he has or that he may have gotten more injured, that I'd agree with...but I see no reason he wouldn't have been the best QB of that era as well.

[DuWayne Steurer]

In 2020, the league averaged 65.2 % on completions, and 3800 yards passing per game, and a 2.2% int rate.

 

Just 13 years ago, Brett's last year in GB, the league averaged 61.2 % completions (pretty significant), 3400 yards passing, and had a 3.1% interception rate.

 

It's not a HUGE change, but it's significant. The league is definitely slanting more towards accurate, risk averse passing, and passing more.

 

Bit of cherry picking to take 2020 when Rodgers is 37 and was a lock for the HOF like 5 years ago.

 

I don't think anyone will argue that teams pass more than they did in 1997 but I'm not even looking at the stats to say Rodgers is better. He does more things than Favre and does just about every one of them better, besides turn the ball over. Accuracy and mobility aren't close, he has a better deep ball, I guess he gets hurt more...and I call baloney on Rodgers couldn't take a pounding. Rodgers has taken plenty of bad hits.

 

I dunno how anyone can look at Rodgers and say he couldn't play in the 90s...it sounds a bit extreme. It's fair to say his stats are inflated over Favre's, which I said first, but the two aren't all that close IMO when you're talking value added to a team

 

The great divide is the turnovers. There was more tolerance for them in the 90s but the gap between them transcends it. It's enormous.

 

in 2007, the league average completion % was 61.2. In 1997 it was 56.2 %. I'm not cherry picking anything. The league is trending more and more towards accurate, risk averse passing.

 

FWIW, Brett's career INT% was 3.3 percent. Sure, the gulf between Rodgers and Favre in that category is big. Rodgers has the lowest INT% of all time. So compare the guy who throws the fewest INT's ever, against a guy who played a decade + earlier, when INT's were accepted at a 67% higher rate, and yes, you'll have a pretty big divide.

 

I also didn't say that Rodgers couldn't play in the 90's..... but it was a different game. I'd be willing to put a quarter on the fact that Rodgers and Brees wouldn't have been playing in 95 or 97 putting up 68-70 percent completion rates. It was a short time ago, sure, but the way the NFL changes rules and defenses and offenses adjust, the game does change stylistically at a pretty rapid pace (comparitively)