Report: Rodgers wants new contract (Update: May not want to return in 2021)

[homer]

I think it's ok to look at aggregated mock drafts, see a guy is predicted to go at 90, gets picked at 60 and consider it a reach. At the end of the day, if they hit on said player it's fine and hindsight is 20/20 and what not. I have a bigger issue with trading up and relinquishing assets given the imperfect nature of drafting. Doing that means you have to be even better at drafting since you have fewer bites at the apple.

[SeaBass]

I think it's more than fair for the person earlier to criticize trading up for Love and forfeiting the 4th round pick that maybe could have been used to select Deguara, or even to better enable them to use other picks to move up to take him after using their own 3rd on a different player. They'd still presumably still have the 4th or would have used it to move up.

 

The Love pick in general is rightfully a lightning rod for everything that happened in that draft. Nearly everything hinges on what amount of success he has in determining if the 2021 draft was good or bad. Hopefully Dillon and Deguara come through and justify their selections, that would help neutralize picking Love if he disappoints, but the big cost of drafting Love is what happens with Rodgers and it could be a season or two before we really have the context to say if drafting Love worked or was an awful move at an awful time.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I've accepted at this point that people will never stop doing the "We have this guy, we don't NEED that guy!" thing, but it blows my mind still. Literally every season, there is some position we are "deep" at, then 3 weeks into the season we realize we really aren't for any number of reasons, regression, injury, etc., and suddenly it's a position of need. The best way to build a team is simply to get as many good players together as possible. Yeah, there is some common sense to be used as far as filling as filling a roster, but hybrid FB/TE, blockers, WRs, LBs...you can really never have too many of them.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Anyone who doesnt believe Deguara was a reach can just stop commenting on the draft selections. In what world are we in where GB needed a HB/FB/TE hybrid at the moment of the 3rd round pick? They drafted Jace Sternburger the season before in 3rd round who yes is a TE but fit this mold with Deguara. On top of they just drafted Dillon a RB in 2nd rd? Can anyone here name a similar player type that Deguara is supposedly filling who's an NFL All-Pro/HoF?

 

We picked Martin in the 5th rd where it looks a run of some good quality LBs were taken immediately following Deguara. As well as a couple good producing Offensive Tackles. Deguara is just a system player for MLF's offensive scheme. He's 6'2" small stature for a TE that make a big impact in the NFL. Huge Reach when you at that moment had 3TEs and 3RBs to select somebody who likely doesn't catch more than 40 passes ever in a season. He likely doesnt even take 70pct or higher snaps in games without RBs being injured. A good selected LB or O-Line will out-produce what at best you get from Deguara's position with it not even being their best.

 

Wow ... suffice it to say, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. But regarding the idea that Sternberger and Deguara are in the same mold, I'm not real sure how you came to that conclusion. At all. Jace Sternberger is a prototypical 6'5", 255 lb receiving TE. Josiah Deguara is a 6'1 1/2", 240 lb H-Back/FB. They are very, very different. Yes, Sternberger was deployed to do some of the same types of things that Deguara was drafted to do last year, but that is not his ideal skillset.

[brewcrewdue80]

Anyone who doesnt believe Deguara was a reach can just stop commenting on the draft selections. In what world are we in where GB needed a HB/FB/TE hybrid at the moment of the 3rd round pick? They drafted Jace Sternburger the season before in 3rd round who yes is a TE but fit this mold with Deguara. On top of they just drafted Dillon a RB in 2nd rd? Can anyone here name a similar player type that Deguara is supposedly filling who's an NFL All-Pro/HoF?

 

We picked Martin in the 5th rd where it looks a run of some good quality LBs were taken immediately following Deguara. As well as a couple good producing Offensive Tackles. Deguara is just a system player for MLF's offensive scheme. He's 6'2" small stature for a TE that make a big impact in the NFL. Huge Reach when you at that moment had 3TEs and 3RBs to select somebody who likely doesn't catch more than 40 passes ever in a season. He likely doesnt even take 70pct or higher snaps in games without RBs being injured. A good selected LB or O-Line will out-produce what at best you get from Deguara's position with it not even being their best.

 

Wow ... suffice it to say, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. But regarding the idea that Sternberger and Deguara are in the same mold, I'm not real sure how you came to that conclusion. At all. Jace Sternberger is a prototypical 6'5", 255 lb receiving TE. Josiah Deguara is a 6'1 1/2", 240 lb H-Back/FB. They are very, very different. Yes, Sternberger was deployed to do some of the same types of things that Deguara was drafted to do last year, but that is not his ideal skillset.

 

Jace played in 2019 and the way he was used is exactly how one sees JD being used. He wasnt lined up at TE it was more often than not in a motion to chip a DE and run a route out in to the flat

 

 

I'm still interested in anyone who can name me the player you would hope Deguara is a mold of.

My guy Chase Claypool is in the mold of an Eric Moulds/Charles Johnson.

 

As to the argument you can't have "enough" of guys like Deguara? Really? Aaron Rodgers doesnt need a team with 3 or 4 Deguara types to make his QB skills work. It'd maybe be a little different if JD was going to be used as a stud ST player who helps the offense, but even using a 3rd rd selection on this type of player? Gotta be near bottom of totem pole when building a roster. And yet 3rd round....

[CheeseheadInQC]

I know I've said it before, but three of the largest "reaches" in that draft class based off of mocks were the three tight ends who got the H-back label. It could very well be a case where the mock drafters and prospect rankers were going off one set of positional values and the NFL teams were going off of another.

[nodakfan17]

I’ve avoided weighing in on this topic daily - mostly because my feelings have changed several times and the whole thing bums me out.

 

Lately, I’m of the opinion they should hold firm. If Rodgers doesn’t want to play for the Packers, then he can write them a $23 million dollar check for the portion of his signing bonus he didn’t earn and wait 3 years for his contract to expire. The cap savings from Rodgers’ ‘retirement’ is significant. Is it worth 3 first round picks? Probably not, but it unilaterally fixes their cap crunch and puts $23 million back in their coffers after what I assume was their worst season (financially) since Lambeau Field was renovated.

[superfly]

After seeing Davante say “I grew up with 0 dollars, im going to show up and earn all of the dollars I signed in my contract,” as far as I’m concerned Rodgers can stay home with Shailene and enjoy his life just as much as see him back. He has no cards to play....Denver? Good luck with that being a better situation. I’m not sure Green Bay fans will be as forgiving to Aaron as they were to Favre, the latter was a much more overall like able person.

[MrTPlush]

After seeing Davante say “I grew up with 0 dollars, im going to show up and earn all of the dollars I signed in my contract,” as far as I’m concerned Rodgers can stay home with Shailene and enjoy his life just as much as see him back. He has no cards to play....Denver? Good luck with that being a better situation. I’m not sure Green Bay fans will be as forgiving to Aaron as they were to Favre, the latter was a much more overall like able person.

 

As in Davante Adams?

 

The guy that lost thousands not showing up to OTAs? Pretty sure, just like Rodgers, Adam’s had $500k+ bonus he gave up to skip.

 

Maybe that’s being misinterpreted, but everyone said Rodgers lost $500k and everything I read said Adam’s had the same bonus in his contract.

[Fear The Chorizo]

After seeing Davante say “I grew up with 0 dollars, im going to show up and earn all of the dollars I signed in my contract,” as far as I’m concerned Rodgers can stay home with Shailene and enjoy his life just as much as see him back. He has no cards to play....Denver? Good luck with that being a better situation. I’m not sure Green Bay fans will be as forgiving to Aaron as they were to Favre, the latter was a much more overall like able person.

 

As in Davante Adams?

 

The guy that lost thousands not showing up to OTAs? Pretty sure, just like Rodgers, Adam’s had $500k+ bonus he gave up to skip.

 

Maybe that’s being misinterpreted, but everyone said Rodgers lost $500k and everything I read said Adam’s had the same bonus in his contract.

 

There are tons of star players across the league who skipped those voluntary workouts - it was a coordinated effort as part of players union cba negotiations. Specifically to Adams, he showed up for the mandatory minicamp to avoid any fines, and the 500k workout bonus he gave up will more than be made up for within his next contract. Honestly if there's any player who currently should be sitting out demanding a new deal on this roster it's probably Adams.

[MrTPlush]

After seeing Davante say “I grew up with 0 dollars, im going to show up and earn all of the dollars I signed in my contract,” as far as I’m concerned Rodgers can stay home with Shailene and enjoy his life just as much as see him back. He has no cards to play....Denver? Good luck with that being a better situation. I’m not sure Green Bay fans will be as forgiving to Aaron as they were to Favre, the latter was a much more overall like able person.

 

As in Davante Adams?

 

The guy that lost thousands not showing up to OTAs? Pretty sure, just like Rodgers, Adam’s had $500k+ bonus he gave up to skip.

 

Maybe that’s being misinterpreted, but everyone said Rodgers lost $500k and everything I read said Adam’s had the same bonus in his contract.

 

There are tons of star players across the league who skipped those voluntary workouts - it was a coordinated effort as part of players union cba negotiations. Specifically to Adams, he showed up for the mandatory minicamp to avoid any fines, and the 500k workout bonus he gave up will more than be made up for within his next contract. Honestly if there's any player who currently should be sitting out demanding a new deal on this roster it's probably Adams.

 

Adam’s said he sat out to be with his daughter born in September, not the coordinated effort.

 

I don’t care that he skipped, not saying he won’t make it up on his next contract. It’s that fact he said he grew up on 0 dollars so he is going to earn every penny he signed up for. That is in fact, false, and he sounds like an idiot because he recently flushed half a mil down the drain. Which I actually don’t even care about that either, it’s really the fact someone is making Adam’s sound like a saint for his comment that didn’t make any sense.

[homer]

Mark Murphy needs to shut his pie hole.

[MrTPlush]

Mark Murphy needs to shut his pie hole.

 

It is truly amazing how much he keeps opening his mouth and commenting on the whole Rodgers thing.

 

I don’t know what his goal is, heck, he probably doesn’t even know.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Mark Murphy needs to shut his pie hole.

 

It is truly amazing how much he keeps opening his mouth and commenting on the whole Rodgers thing.

 

I don’t know what his goal is, heck, he probably doesn’t even know.

 

Well, he's right and he's been around the Packers pretty much throughout Rodgers' days as starter for the Packers so he probably knows him better than most anyone else in that front office....and he is the team president so I have no problem with him commenting on the current situation with Rodgers.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Stating you skipped involuntary workouts to be with your 8 month old daughter for a couple days sounds better than saying he skipped out because he didn't feel like flying to green bay when he didn't have to, I guess. Beside the point I'm trying to make because Adams was in town practicing when he was required to be despite being on the last year of a contract he's underpaid playing within.

[OldHeidelberg]

Mark Murphy needs to shut his pie hole.

 

It is truly amazing how much he keeps opening his mouth and commenting on the whole Rodgers thing.

 

I don’t know what his goal is, heck, he probably doesn’t even know.

 

I think he knows they probably have to trade him now and is just dripping out comments to ease the fan base into that reality. They are probably waiting to see if he shows up for camp and if he doesn't then it's easier to lay the blame on him. They have a gripe about him wanting out 2 years into his contract but they can use that fact to leverage more in a trade. I think the real long term fear for the Packers brass here is if Rodgers goes to Denver or whoever and wins a SB while the Packers fall into losing the front office will probably be cleaned out including Murphy.

[homer]

Mark Murphy needs to shut his pie hole.

 

It is truly amazing how much he keeps opening his mouth and commenting on the whole Rodgers thing.

 

I don’t know what his goal is, heck, he probably doesn’t even know.

 

Well, he's right and he's been around the Packers pretty much throughout Rodgers' days as starter for the Packers so he probably knows him better than most anyone else in that front office....and he is the team president so I have no problem with him commenting on the current situation with Rodgers.

 

Then don't come out and say "We are working to resolve the situation and realize that the less both sides say publicly, the better." and then say something publicly.

[xisxisxis]

I think he knows they probably have to trade him now and is just dripping out comments to ease the fan base into that reality. They are probably waiting to see if he shows up for camp and if he doesn't then it's easier to lay the blame on him. They have a gripe about him wanting out 2 years into his contract but they can use that fact to leverage more in a trade. I think the real long term fear for the Packers brass here is if Rodgers goes to Denver or whoever and wins a SB while the Packers fall into losing the front office will probably be cleaned out including Murphy.

Murphy essentially put it out there that Lord Aaron has been an issue with more than just Gute. He was clearly seen as "complicated" by the previous GM. You may be right and they are just putting out some information that Rodgers has been an "issue" with the past GM too so if he doesn't show up for training camp they can move forward trading him.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Lord Aaron misses the first day of training camp, but is in camp after a few days. Just another way to be a dick and call the packers bluff at fining him.

[SeaBass]

I think it's almost a certainty that Rodgers will either be playing for the Packers this season or playing for nobody. Earliest he gets traded is the trade deadline or, more likely, after the season. It just makes too much sense from the Packers' standpoint to wait.

[OldHeidelberg]

I think it's almost a certainty that Rodgers will either be playing for the Packers this season or playing for nobody. Earliest he gets traded is the trade deadline or, more likely, after the season. It just makes too much sense from the Packers' standpoint to wait.

 

I think I have said it before but I feel like there is zero chance Rodgers sits out the season, if the relationship is broken beyond repair he will be traded maybe as you say it drags to the trade deadline but I doubt it. I just don't see how it benefits the Packers to make him sit out the season and I don't buy that his trade value will be as high a year from now as it is now. Why does is make so much sense for the Packers to wait? It would be a massive distraction on their season and in the end their bottom line.

[SeaBass]

I think it's almost a certainty that Rodgers will either be playing for the Packers this season or playing for nobody. Earliest he gets traded is the trade deadline or, more likely, after the season. It just makes too much sense from the Packers' standpoint to wait.

 

I think I have said it before but I feel like there is zero chance Rodgers sits out the season, if the relationship is broken beyond repair he will be traded maybe as you say it drags to the trade deadline but I doubt it. I just don't see how it benefits the Packers to make him sit out the season and I don't buy that his trade value will be as high a year from now as it is now. Why does is make so much sense for the Packers to wait? It would be a massive distraction on their season and in the end their bottom line.

I think it comes down to who are the buyers if they trade now, Denver and who else? Sure maybe Denver still comes up with an offer that gives the Packers what they want, anything's possible, but I'm convinced that if they wait there's more buyers to choose from and maybe get better quality picks. If Denver gets the whole season with Rodgers their 1st round pick in '22 is not likely to be a high round pick, if you deprive Denver a good QB they likely have a worse record and are still highly motivated to acquire Rodgers after the season along with several other teams.

 

Also, why does his trade value go down? That's ridiculous. I also don't buy the distraction angle because that's already a reality. None of it is going away just because he gets traded, in fact it keeps playing out in real time as the world watches him play on another team.

[OldHeidelberg]

 

I think it comes down to who are the buyers if they trade now, Denver and who else? Sure maybe Denver still comes up with an offer that gives the Packers what they want, anything's possible, but I'm convinced that if they wait there's more buyers to choose from and maybe get better quality picks. If Denver gets the whole season with Rodgers their 1st round pick in '22 is not likely to be a high round pick, if you deprive Denver a good QB they likely have a worse record and are still highly motivated to acquire Rodgers after the season along with several other teams.

 

Also, why does his trade value go down? That's ridiculous. I also don't buy the distraction angle because that's already a reality. None of it is going away just because he gets traded, in fact it keeps playing out in real time as the world watches him play on another team.

 

Rodgers could blow out his knee week 1 and that Broncos pick becomes top ten, I think this is overblown, we don't know where those picks end up and the uncertainty of it is why they get more picks now than if they traded on draft night. And I would argue that it is ridiculous to think a player Rodgers age has as much value a year from now as today. This season has a TON of value for anyone looking to trade for him.

[adambr2]

His trade value goes down because he would be 18 months removed from an MVP season, be 38 years old and of course teams are going to be wary about being out of action that long. They would still get probably more than the Packers got for Favre but the ages would be pretty comparable at that point, there's no way he's worth as much a year from now.

 

Time and value are correlated when you're talking trade value of a QB in his late 30s, that's one less year that a potential trade partner is going to get out of him. His value absolutely is less in a year. It will never be higher for the rest of his career than it is right now.

[SeaBass]

His trade value goes down because he would be 18 months removed from an MVP season, be 38 years old and of course teams are going to be wary about being out of action that long. They would still get probably more than the Packers got for Favre but the ages would be pretty comparable at that point, there's no way he's worth as much a year from now.

 

Time and value are correlated when you're talking trade value of a QB in his late 30s, that's one less year that a potential trade partner is going to get out of him. His value absolutely is less in a year. It will never be higher for the rest of his career than it is right now.

I haven't seen anyone in the media suggest that if the Packers wait that their return will be any less but I've seen multiple people talk about the Packers waiting and getting the same or better value due to more teams being involved. If you have sources that have backed up your theory that he'd lose value I'd be interested to see them.

[adambr2]

His trade value goes down because he would be 18 months removed from an MVP season, be 38 years old and of course teams are going to be wary about being out of action that long. They would still get probably more than the Packers got for Favre but the ages would be pretty comparable at that point, there's no way he's worth as much a year from now.

 

Time and value are correlated when you're talking trade value of a QB in his late 30s, that's one less year that a potential trade partner is going to get out of him. His value absolutely is less in a year. It will never be higher for the rest of his career than it is right now.

I haven't seen anyone in the media suggest that if the Packers wait that their return will be any less but I've seen multiple people talk about the Packers waiting and getting the same or better value due to more teams being involved. If you have sources that have backed up your theory that he'd lose value I'd be interested to see them.

 

How am I supposed to have a "source" for something that is entirely hypothetical? Can you post your sources for the contrary that suggest they can get better by waiting? I'd be happy to read them and be opening to examining my own viewpoints to see if there are flaws in my logic based on their logic and journalistic reputation.

 

This is uncharted territory without much precedent, but again, my logic is based on the following.

 

1) The trading team, who presumably is playing for a championship, now has one less year with Aaron Rodgers to do so. That matters. That negatively affects his value.

 

2) There is less certainty, especially as an aging QB, that Aaron Rodgers will be able to maintain an MVP level of play 2 years removed from his 2020 season than there is right now. GMs aren't dumb. They know perfectly well that the guy they trade for at this time next year might not be the same guy that was here in 2020.

 

3) Markets fluctuate. It is a sellers QB market right now, and we saw that with Stafford. We can't just assume it'll be another sellers market next summer.

 

I also don't buy for a second that the market for Rodgers won't be robust because teams are already set at QB for 2021. There is still a full training camp ahead for every team. Just because the Broncos are the only team we've heard about doesn't mean squat. If Gute makes Aaron Rodgers available, plans will change and teams will call.