Report: Rodgers wants new contract (Update: May not want to return in 2021)

[MrTPlush]

If the Packers/Rodgers would have included a no trade clause, would this whole mess have been avoided?

 

I don’t see why it would. He already has a de facto no trade clause because no team is trading for Rodgers if he doesn’t want to play there.

 

The problem is the way the contract is set up and after this year dumping/trading him is fairly minimal as far as damage. Moving on from him just isn’t that hard. A big reason why Rodgers is probably putting his foot down now where he has an upper hand...or at least some advantage in this situation.

[PeaveyFury]

If the Packers/Rodgers would have included a no trade clause, would this whole mess have been avoided?

 

I don’t see why it would. He already has a de facto no trade clause because no team is trading for Rodgers if he doesn’t want to play there.

 

The problem is the way the contract is set up and after this year dumping/trading him is fairly minimal as far as damage. Moving on from him just isn’t that hard. A big reason why Rodgers is probably putting his foot down now where he has an upper hand...or at least some advantage in this situation.

 

But as it has been previously noted, if that's why Rodgers is upset, he only has himself (or his representation) to blame, as he agreed to those terms, and did so just a couple of years ago.

 

A big reason why Rodgers is probably putting his foot down now where he has an upper hand...or at least some advantage in this situation.

 

I still firmly believe that he can only be perceived to have an advantage if you truly believe he's willing to retire, which I do not, and I'd suspect the Packers do not considering their willingness to play chicken with him on this.

[xisxisxis]

Aaron Rodgers has NO bargaining power, that's why he's pulling all this crap through the media. It's the only thing he's got and that pisses him off so the leaks and BS will continue. If he had any leverage he'd use it.

[xisxisxis]

Yeah, at a minimum maybe inform the player that without whom you'd be reliving the Devine/Starr/Gregg/Infante days.

 

And if 12 doesn’t like the pick, then what?

 

It doesn't matter if he likes the pick at that point. It's not his decision. You make your pick. But he can't come back later and say he wasn't informed.

It's a catch 22 for the Packers. Inform him and ignore his opinion and he will complain that they don't listen to him. Don't inform him to avoid ignoring his opinion and he complains he isn't informed. Can't win on either as long as Rodgers wants to throw poo at the fan.

[adambr2]

I really don't agree with that. Rodgers knows perfectly well he isn't within his rights to straight up tell the Packer brass not to draft a QB and I really don't believe he'd be dumb and bold enough to ask.

 

All I was saying is that they should have been transparent and courteous enough to inform.

 

It doesn't mean Rodgers can call the shots. It doesn't mean they're letting him be GM. It's just a respectful move.

[tmwiese55]

Sure, he shouldn't try to tell them not to draft him. He should know his place. But when they tell him if he has a frank conversation with them and tells them he has no plans to retire so this move probably isn't needed at the moment. Which might give them the vibe he's not ok with it, and that is more info with them to make the decision. Possibly could've led to them not rocking the boat with him. Open communication is a good thing, especially with a player of this caliber and with how important elite QBs are in football.

[PeaveyFury]

I think the point xis was making is that if it was going to tick Aaron off, it was likely to do so whether they made a courtesy call beforehand or not.

[xisxisxis]

My comment was to Rodgers complaints about not being informed about roster and other player personnel decisions. I may have picked the wrong post to reply to.

 

WRT drafting a QB to replace him, I firmly am convinced that for both the Rodgers/2005 draft and the 2020 draft, a QB was low on the priority list for the Packers. We have reports that Gute tried to move up to get 2 different WR in 2020, but was blocked both times/the player was selected prior to the trade partner. So they did have a plan for priority 1 and likely 2, and 3 and I would guess QB wasn't in that group. For both drafts, a player the Packers rated extremely high (Rodgers in 2005 and Love in 2020) dropped beyond any guess the Packers had coming into the draft. In both cases they jumped at the opportunity even though QB wasn't high on their priority plan. I believe there's also evidence the Packers traded up to get Love because Belicheck/Patriots were high on Love and trying to move up.

 

It's hard to go into every draft and tell your MVP QB, or any other highly touted player, and say "we might pick someone who would be your replacement if the right circumstances arise and the board plays out in unexpected ways". There's no reason to create an issue when there isn't one.

 

At this point, Rodgers isnt going to believe anything but he was disrespected, no matter what the evidence or the Packers claim. Just trade him for the best package after June 1 and move on.

[Fear The Chorizo]

After reading the last few pages of this thread, what i'd like to know is whether Alexander is going to show up to training camp or if he's going to demand to be traded after GK selected a CB in the 1st round this past draft. Because apparently if a team drafts someone in round 1 that plays your position, you have every right to grouse about it and feel slighted unless the gm actually let you walk up on the stage with Goodell to announce the pick.

 

Oh, that's just for qb's who get to act like a spoiled child after making a quarter of a billion dollars in their careers that know damn well if they keep playing at a high level they have nothing to worry about. Got it...

 

Rodgers may have very well earned the right to act however he wants to based on his career to date....that doesn't mean how he chooses to act can't be looked at by others as the wrong way to go about things - both from how the Packers as a whole should deal with this situation to how he is writing his own legacy longterm.

[MrTPlush]

I’m sorry, but some of this comparisons are really stretching logic. Comparing it to drafting a RB in the 7th round, someone’s parents having a baby, and now drafting a CB in the first round.

 

If you want to hate Rodgers and think he is being a big baby at least be realistic. Some of these attempted comparisons are like comparing a Lamborghini and a Prius because they both are two-door cars.

 

Hating Rodgers in this situation is more than understandable and it doesn’t take comparing Aaron Jones and the drafting of a 7th round RB etc to make a decent point.

[adambr2]

After reading the last few pages of this thread, what i'd like to know is whether Alexander is going to show up to training camp or if he's going to demand to be traded after GK selected a CB in the 1st round this past draft. Because apparently if a team drafts someone in round 1 that plays your position, you have every right to grouse about it and feel slighted unless the gm actually let you walk up on the stage with Goodell to announce the pick.

 

Oh, that's just for qb's who get to act like a spoiled child after making a quarter of a billion dollars in their careers that know damn well if they keep playing at a high level they have nothing to worry about. Got it...

 

Rodgers may have very well earned the right to act however he wants to based on his career to date....that doesn't mean how he chooses to act can't be looked at by others as the wrong way to go about things - both from how the Packers as a whole should deal with this situation to how he is writing his own legacy longterm.

 

This comparison is just bizarre. First, you're comparing a first ballot HOFer to a very good young player. More importantly, teams use numerous CBs on the field at the same exact time. A team using more than one QB ever is almost strictly limited to a Taysom Hill gadget type as a 2nd QB and even then exists on maybe 1 or 2 out of 32 teams. You're comparing an apple to a new york strip steak, and I think you know that.

[reillymcshane]

After reading the last few pages of this thread, what i'd like to know is whether Alexander is going to show up to training camp or if he's going to demand to be traded after GK selected a CB in the 1st round this past draft. Because apparently if a team drafts someone in round 1 that plays your position, you have every right to grouse about it and feel slighted unless the gm actually let you walk up on the stage with Goodell to announce the pick.

 

Oh, that's just for qb's who get to act like a spoiled child after making a quarter of a billion dollars in their careers that know damn well if they keep playing at a high level they have nothing to worry about. Got it...

 

Rodgers may have very well earned the right to act however he wants to based on his career to date....that doesn't mean how he chooses to act can't be looked at by others as the wrong way to go about things - both from how the Packers as a whole should deal with this situation to how he is writing his own legacy longterm.

I just asked people to stop this kind of thing a few hours ago - and yet here it is again.

 

Please STOP.

[LouisEly]

Didn't Rodgers say it had nothing do with Love?

[CheezWizHed]

[sarcasm]So how about going for that FG in the NFC championship instead of a TD? If we were are the 3.1419 yard line would they had gone for the TD?[/sarcasm]

[CheezWizHed]

Didn't Rodgers say it had nothing do with Love?

 

He said it had nothing to do with the player. But he clearly didn't appreciate the Packers drafting him as a backup/replacement plan without somehow informing him.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

[sarcasm]It’s June 1st. Ready to see the fireworks.[/sarcasm]

[reillymcshane]

I wouldn't expect a resolution to things anytime soon.

 

Rodger can skip mini-camp this money and be fined up to about $95,000 for doing so. Not a huge deal for him.

 

The big thing will be training camp on July 27. I think fines are like 50k a day. And if you miss a preseason game - it's a regular season game check.

 

Plus, other teams are going to want to have as much time as possible to get a new QB up to speed. It's not like getting a new shortstop or 2nd baseman in baseball.

 

That all said - if Rodgers wants to he can wait another 8 weeks before making a decision.

[rickh150]

No reason to trade him now... even if they WANT to.....

Less teams can theoretically be in on him because of current QB or cap space. Also, the 2022 draft is 10 months away and the season will be done before then. Those picks are still there whether he plays or sits.

[adambr2]

No reason to trade him now... even if they WANT to.....

Less teams can theoretically be in on him because of current QB or cap space. Also, the 2022 draft is 10 months away and the season will be done before then. Those picks are still there whether he plays or sits.

 

I have to disagree. If a team trades for Rodgers, they don't need to absorb his bonus, just the 25M annual base. If a team really wants Rodgers, that 25M will not stand in their way, they'll find a way to make it work.

 

Additionally, Rodgers sitting a year is not an attractive outcome for his trade value. He'll be going into his age 39 season and out of football for a year. Coming off an MVP season is not the same as being a year removed from one. There will still be offers, but they'll be less than right now. There's no reason to let him sit a year first and then trade him. Either stand your ground and make him retire or trade him. My personal preference is the trade.

[CheezWizHed]

If you assume that he won't play for us again, his trade value will never be higher than right now. Waiting longer just drags both team and player through the mud more and lowers the amount of time the trading team has to get him up to speed with the players and system.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

My opinion of Rodgers is so low at this point that I wonder sometimes if this whole saga is just a way, whether consciously or subconsciously, to blame the organization for his failure to get multiple titles. If he makes this about how they failed him, that becomes a running narrative probably forever. I don't think it holds much merit, save a few seasons where the defense was so bad they weren't real contenders. The harsh reality is that in at least two seasons, his own play could have been the difference in a championship and what we got. And heck, in 2010, he nearly played them out of the Super Bowl against the Bears. Perhaps not a fair take, but one that all great players ultimately face. It comes with the territory.

 

I guess my TLDR is that he knows he is getting old and keeps falling short, it's almost like he's getting out in front of the narrative. And/or he's a very petty guy and is mad about it.

[homer]

He's a hall of fame QB and just won the MVP. Putting egos and attitudes aside, he absolutely gives GB the best chance to win a Super Bowl next season if not the next three. I'm not saying don't trade him but if you do your window to win it all is probably shut for the time being.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I wouldn't trade him, but I don't think his trade value will diminish a whole lot if he sat out a year. He won't, so it's a moot point. But there will be more than a handful of suitors willing to take on 38 y/o Rodgers. Trading him now is sort of like selling Gamestop a few months ago, but you would easily still be able to trade him for nice pieces next year.

 

I think it's a dream though. They're not going to do it.

[reillymcshane]

Jordon Love to Atlanta for Julio Jones. Kiss and make up with Rodgers. Atlanta gets their QB of the future. Rodgers gets a major weapon (albeit aging and coming off an injury) - and we lose the specter of Jordon Love hovering over everything.

 

Rework Rodgers deal - and Jones' - to make the cap stuff work. It gives you a 2-3 year run before cap issues really cause problems - but what the heck - it's a 'go for it' kind of thing.

 

HA HA! Problems solved!

 

I know it's not realistic - but it's it's a message board - fun to speculate.

[PeaveyFury]

Jordon Love to Atlanta for Julio Jones. Kiss and make up with Rodgers. Atlanta gets their QB of the future. Rodgers gets a major weapon (albeit aging and coming off an injury) - and we lose the specter of Jordon Love hovering over everything.

 

Rework Rodgers deal - and Jones' - to make the cap stuff work. It gives you a 2-3 year run before cap issues really cause problems - but what the heck - it's a 'go for it' kind of thing.

 

Sadly, with the 2022 cap set for far less than expected, it may only give you a 1-year boost before those cap issues arise.