Report: Rodgers wants new contract (Update: May not want to return in 2021)

[adambr2]

I just want to say something. Love doesn't have to be an all-time great to make moving on to him a good idea or the right move for the team. He could be as good as Dak Prescott or Matt Ryan or something and they could still have a lot of success.

 

I mean those are two likely HOF quarterbacks you just named. The floor is obviously much lower than that.

[pacopete4]

Those two are HOF QB’s?!? Yikes.

[adambr2]

Those two are HOF QB’s?!? Yikes.

 

Ryan probably is. He definitely has the stats, he's got an MVP, he's got some Pro Bowls and he played in a Super Bowl. If Rivers is in which I think he probably is, I think Ryan is too.

 

Dak is still really young, obviously wouldn't be one if he retired today but if he continues his current trajectory he can get there.

[brewcrewdue80]

I don't see a reason for the team to trade Rodgers until after June 1st. I think I heard it was a 17mil relief vs the cap it doing it earlier? What is the rush to do it any sooner? Training Camp starts later than that...yes? No?

I find it funny how the Chicago Bears can head in to training camp with Justin Fields given the likelihood he'll be starter Game 1., yet Love is not ready after being on the sidelines in the film room, learning playbook, etc for nearly a year now? GB has a 26-6 team roster last 2 seasons built in front of him. Not a team tanking for years and inexplicably making bad roster moves, bad draft picks and having a team not ready to play with a rookie QB. Does that mean I think Love will lead this team to 12-4 or 13-3? No of course not. He's just not going to stand under center with an offense that has no identity nor an offensive line that lacks experience pass blocking as a unit together. He'd have 2 top notch RBs to hand off to, an elite WR and pass catching TE to throw to. I'm pretty sure when he was drafted, a large majority of us concluded in 2 years he becomes the guy. So what if he gets only one. Its more than Fields will get. More than the QBs drafted before him got. Hes a 1st rd selection behind an obvious good offense scheme. Get out there and show who should be removed from Green Bay. Rodgers or Gutekunst for drafting you in 2020.

Let Rodgers sit out. Not report to any training camp or 2021 preseason activities. When he begins missing games you fine him for not honoring the contract week by week. Every week that goes by you're regaining money you'd lose, and a team can lose a QB that ups a great offer to take Rodgers off our hands. Just see how far this all will go right on through the 2021 season.

I personally believe Rodgers is to narcissistic to sit out of football and not increase his playing stats. He'll show up and pad those stats. Favre couldn't retire, neither will Rodgers. Sitting out I can see, but somewhere this will sort itself out.

[adambr2]

I do think a lot of these stories are probably exaggerated, too. I believe there's a rift there but also think it's probably not the irreparable one that the media is making it out to be.

 

Specifically, for instance, I highly doubt Rodgers ever specifically insisted on Gute being fired. That's just a flat out crappy thing to do to another person if true.

[SeaBass]

I do think a lot of these stories are probably exaggerated, too. I believe there's a rift there but also think it's probably not the irreparable one that the media is making it out to be.

 

Specifically, for instance, I highly doubt Rodgers ever specifically insisted on Gute being fired. That's just a flat out crappy thing to do to another person if true.

I kind of agree, I could see him saying he doesn't feel like he'd want to return to Green Bay while Gute was still there but just saying it doesn't make it definitive and it's a long stretch from a statement like that to "I want him fired."

[JimH5]

I'm just here for the chaos and angst.

 

Whenever bad stuff happens around football, I'm delighted.

 

Players almost never have leverage like this, and it's fun to see them exercise it.

[JET15]

Gee, I wonder why the draft TV ratings were so high this year

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/30/first-round-of-the-2021-nfl-draft-attracted-12point6-million-viewers.html

[PeaveyFury]

I'm just here for the chaos and angst.

 

Whenever bad stuff happens around football, I'm delighted.

 

Players almost never have leverage like this, and it's fun to see them exercise it.

 

I suspect you’ll be very disappointed when this amounts to nothing in the end.

[pacopete4]

I’m still lost on what leverage Rodgers exactly has. Sure we take a step back if he doesn’t play but other than that, what is the leverage Rodgers exactly has?

[homer]

I’m still lost on what leverage Rodgers exactly has. Sure we take a step back if he doesn’t play but other than that, what is the leverage Rodgers exactly has?

 

I think mostly the financial ramifications if the Packers trade him. And then if they don't trade him, they don't get anything back for a guy coming off an MVP year.

[PeaveyFury]

I’m still lost on what leverage Rodgers exactly has. Sure we take a step back if he doesn’t play but other than that, what is the leverage Rodgers exactly has?

 

I think mostly the financial ramifications if the Packers trade him. And then if they don't trade him, they don't get anything back for a guy coming off an MVP year.

 

But those ramifications are basically the same after June 1st as they would be after the 2021 season when they probably planned to trade him anyway.

 

I agree with Brew- Rodgers only has leverage if you believe he’s willing to actually retire, which no one believes. If the Packers hold firm as they almost certainly will, Rodgers has no leverage at all.

[homer]

I’m still lost on what leverage Rodgers exactly has. Sure we take a step back if he doesn’t play but other than that, what is the leverage Rodgers exactly has?

 

I think mostly the financial ramifications if the Packers trade him. And then if they don't trade him, they don't get anything back for a guy coming off an MVP year.

 

But those ramifications are basically the same after June 1st as they would be after the 2021 season when they probably planned to trade him anyway.

 

I agree with Brew- Rodgers only has leverage if you believe he’s willing to actually retire, which no one believes. If the Packers hold firm as they almost certainly will, Rodgers has no leverage at all.

 

Right. If you don't think he'll pull a Carson Palmer then yeah.

 

Speaking of, Carson Palmer's agent is Aaron Rodgers' agent.

[homer]

At the end of the day, I think this is a negotiating ploy and yes if Rodgers wants to play it will most likely have to be with GB next season.

[GAME05]

Even if he actually does retire for next season, which I doubt, it would still make sense to hold onto his contract for the season just based off of what you could get back in a trade. CBS says the baseline is three first-rounders, though I think that's high, but still it would effectively be spending his cap hit on first-rounders, which seems like a good value. Then his contract can be traded after the season.

 

Plus whatever cap relief we'd get for this year, I can't figure what we'd really spend it on.

[JimH5]

I think the leverage is that the Packers need him more than he needs the Packers and football. He's earned his money, he's at the top of his game, his legacy as a player is cemented.

 

If he hates Gute, it's no big deal. He could retire or hold out and he'd still have 20 teams eager to acquire him. Favre was the blueprint for this.

 

It's a refreshing alternative to the hundreds of college guys who are all too willing to bow at the altar of the NFL. Rodgers seems to have broken that power dynamic.

[OldHeidelberg]

His leverage seems sort of obvious to me, if he refuses to play for the Packers they will trade him no matter what they are saying now. He is one of the biggest stars in the sport and the reigning MVP, neither the Packers nor the NFL are going to want a holdout to drag into the season. This isn't really even all that unusual, guys hold out and eventually get traded every other year, that's how Mack ended up in Chicago.

[PeaveyFury]

I think the leverage is that the Packers need him more than he needs the Packers and football. He's earned his money, he's at the top of his game, his legacy as a player is cemented.

 

If he hates Gute, it's no big deal. He could retire or hold out and he'd still have 20 teams eager to acquire him. Favre was the blueprint for this.

 

It's a refreshing alternative to the hundreds of college guys who are all too willing to bow at the altar of the NFL. Rodgers seems to have broken that power dynamic.

 

This is only true if you actually believe that Rodgers isn’t hyper competitive and doesn’t want to win a second championship, which simply isn’t true. Add in the fact that he won’t swallow his pride enough to write the Packers a $30 million check, which he absolutely will not do.

 

It also requires you to believe that the Packers wouldn’t be willing to ride it out with Love, much like they were with Rodgers back in 2008. I guess we won’t know for sure unless they actually do, but my gut is that they don’t blink like other organizations do in situations like with the Raiders and Mack.

[PeaveyFury]

His leverage seems sort of obvious to me, if he refuses to play for the Packers they will trade him.

 

I guess I don’t see how it’s leverage to ‘force’ the Packers to trade him and get a haul of a return 9 months earlier than they were going to anyway. If fact, I laugh since rather than a more amicable split where they may have worked with Rodgers on a possible destination, now they’re motivated to trade him to whoever. It would be truly hilarious to watch him go to a poorly run organization like Houston and never sniff legitimate contention for whatever time he has left....

[adambr2]

I think the leverage is that the Packers need him more than he needs the Packers and football. He's earned his money, he's at the top of his game, his legacy as a player is cemented.

 

If he hates Gute, it's no big deal. He could retire or hold out and he'd still have 20 teams eager to acquire him. Favre was the blueprint for this.

 

It's a refreshing alternative to the hundreds of college guys who are all too willing to bow at the altar of the NFL. Rodgers seems to have broken that power dynamic.

 

This is only true if you actually believe that Rodgers isn’t hyper competitive and doesn’t want to win a second championship, which simply isn’t true. Add in the fact that he won’t swallow his pride enough to write the Packers a $30 million check, which he absolutely will not do.

 

It also requires you to believe that the Packers wouldn’t be willing to ride it out with Love, much like they were with Rodgers back in 2008. I guess we won’t know for sure unless they actually do, but my gut is that they don’t blink like other organizations do in situations like with the Raiders and Mack.

 

But they did trade Favre. They rode it out with Rodgers in 2008, but they got what they could for Favre and didn't just lose him for nothing.

[RollieTime]

At this point, you hold onto Rodgers. I think he cares too much about his legacy as a player to just walk away. He wants to keep pumping up his stats. He won’t retire after throwing 48 touchdowns in a season and being the NFL MVP. He won’t write a $30 million check to the Packers. The Packers retained every single key offensive player the last couple seasons. I don’t see any way Rodgers straight up retires at this point.

 

Something may need to be done with Gutekunst and that is up to Murphy to decide. I am not sure how they can work it all out at this point.

[adambr2]

At this point, you hold onto Rodgers. I think he cares too much about his legacy as a player to just walk away. He wants to keep pumping up his stats. He won’t retire after throwing 48 touchdowns in a season and being the NFL MVP. He won’t write a $30 million check to the Packers. The Packers retained every single key offensive player the last couple seasons. I don’t see any way Rodgers straight up retires at this point.

 

Something may need to be done with Gutekunst and that is up to Murphy to decide. I am not sure how they can work it all out at this point.

 

Why does something need to be done with Gutekunst? He's a good GM. It's not like he's done a terrible job. I guess he could have communicated the Love thing better to Rodgers last year but that's certainly not a fireable offense.

 

You certainly can't let a player, even a star player, strong-arm you into firing front office guys. That's a terrible precedent to set. Who would want to be the GM of this team if a player can fire you?

[OldHeidelberg]

His leverage seems sort of obvious to me, if he refuses to play for the Packers they will trade him.

 

I guess I don’t see how it’s leverage to ‘force’ the Packers to trade him and get a haul of a return 9 months earlier than they were going to anyway. If fact, I laugh since rather than a more amicable split where they may have worked with Rodgers on a possible destination, now they’re motivated to trade him to whoever. It would be truly hilarious to watch him go to a poorly run organization like Houston and never sniff legitimate contention for whatever time he has left....

 

I don't think we are that much in disagreement here except your suspicion that the Packer might not blink like the Raiders did with Mack, I was responding more to recent posts about the Packers letting him sit out the year rather than trade him and the idea that he doesn't have leverage. There are a lot of scenarios I can envision right now but him sitting out the season and then being traded next year is really not an option in my mind. I would bet my house that isn't how this will play out.

[RollieTime]

At this point, you hold onto Rodgers. I think he cares too much about his legacy as a player to just walk away. He wants to keep pumping up his stats. He won’t retire after throwing 48 touchdowns in a season and being the NFL MVP. He won’t write a $30 million check to the Packers. The Packers retained every single key offensive player the last couple seasons. I don’t see any way Rodgers straight up retires at this point.

 

Something may need to be done with Gutekunst and that is up to Murphy to decide. I am not sure how they can work it all out at this point.

 

Why does something need to be done with Gutekunst? He's a good GM. It's not like he's done a terrible job. I guess he could have communicated the Love thing better to Rodgers last year but that's certainly not a fireable offense.

 

You certainly can't let a player, even a star player, strong-arm you into firing front office guys. That's a terrible precedent to set. Who would want to be the GM of this team if a player can fire you?

 

Rodgers is the cream of the crop best player of all time talent. He shouldn’t have let it get to this point. That’s a massive failure on his part for not communicating with Rodgers. And in my opinion, even before the draft last year, I was thinking they didn’t need to consider drafting a quarterback replacement for at least 2 more years at the EARLIEST. Rodgers stated numerous times in the past about wanting to play into his 40’s.

 

There really wasn’t signs of him regressing as a player when he was playing with an injured leg and then learning a completely new system while still maintaining a 6/1 TD/INT ratio. Once Rodgers was healthy and had his second year in a non-McCarthy system, he flourished.

 

But I do agree in that I think Gutekunst has done a good job in building a roster both through the draft and in free agency. If I personally had to make the decision, Rodgers would get a new contract guaranteeing him through his age 41 or 42 season and Gutekunst would be shown the door. In my eyes, if you as a franchise piss off the greatest player of all time, refuse to give him a large extension when he’s still dominant, and force him out of town for some rookie when the player himself wants to play another 5+ years, you’re an idiot. (The Favre and Rodgers situations are much different in that Favre wasn’t sure if he would keep playing so they drafted a replacement compared to a guy who wanted to play for basically a minimum of 5 years more. Even if Love is a quality quarterback in the future, his cheap years were riding the bench and will be a $30+ million guy quickly because his team control is used up).

 

You will lose the fan’s trust, the board’s trust, and the player’s trust. The fallout from fans across the state will be massive. Going down this road wouldn’t be good for anybody. This is one of those situations where somebody will likely need to take the fall. And in my eyes, keeping the greatest player of all time for another half decade instead of going down in history as the franchise that didn’t do enough around him in the first place and forced him out of town when he wanted to stay and play for a long time still, that’s a big big scar on the organization that will never go away.

[GAME05]

Even if Gute were mediocre, firing him for Rodgers' sake is a pretty clear message of just who's in charge. You'd have lesser players doing the same because they'd know the administration will cave.

 

If we actually traded him and got three first-rounders, that would sure make for a quick rebuilding process. Love gets a year to show what he's got and if he's good, you've got a ton of talent on the way. If he's not good, you move up with all those picks to get the next guy. Win-win.