Report: Rodgers wants new contract (Update: May not want to return in 2021)

[Fear The Chorizo]

It showed him his money after 2021 was up in the air (business to the team) so he has MVP season and full power so now he wants to secure his money (business decision for him).

 

In all honesty, he's smart enough to have known his money after 2021 was up in the air the day he first signed that contract extension...which was well before Love was drafted. If he's ticked about anything it's the fact Love is already in the building and the leverage he thought he would have pushing for one final huge extension is minutely diminished with a young quarterback on the roster - and I think that's his perception much more than that of the GB front office. In other words, he's made up his mind to be mad no matter what he hears from the front office.

 

Also, you know how this would have all gone away on its own? Win one of the last 4 NFC championship games you've started - I think Rodgers took this last loss especially hard, because the previous 3 losses have been on the road and the outcomes really had nothing to do with his performance. We've heard for years from him that the Packers really needed to try and get a title game at home for a change - they did just that last year and still lost a very winnable game, one that Rodgers had multiple opportunities to go out an win in the 4th quarter. I'm not blaming Rodgers for losing that game, but I can see where the frustration from that loss is still very raw with him. He knows they were plenty good enough to win and they didn't get it done.

[tmwiese55]

I feel like Gute has actually done a good job since taking over, in general. But man the butterfly effects of that one decision might be a colossal mistake for the team and his career. Or who knows, maybe he'll be right and Love is very good. Many probably said the same about Thompson/MM when they cut ties with Brett and turns out TT/MM were correct, career defining bold move they were correct on.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I also think one thing Rodgers learned firsthand as a young QB is that a veteran QB's control of where he plays can vanish almost overnight with diminished onfield performance, even for a HOFer - especially after it's obvious to the front office and probably even more importantly the players in the locker room that they have someone ready to take the reins already in the building. Now would be the time for Rodgers to do everything possible to try and secure the rest of his career on his terms - before Love has had enough time to either develop or fall on his face and before father time creeps up on him any further. Taking this stand now on the heels of an MVP season, independent from whether Love is here or not, gives Rodgers his best chance at avoiding a year like Favre dealt with after being traded to the Jets - or at worst it would get it out of the way soon enough for him to pick his preferred team and have more than the twilight of his QB career left to win another title.

 

And honestly, if winning another title is the priority, Rodgers' best chance in the short term remains as a Packer.

[LouisEly]

Though I agree with your overall point, I don't even think he'll be a menace. He KNOWS that his best chance to win is with Green Bay, and he KNOWS this team is good enough to do so next year. He's crazy if he thinks that he's got a better chance to win in Oakland next year, and he's not crazy.

Las Vegas, man! Las Vegas!!

 

I wonder how much of it is trying to prove he's as good as Brady. If Brady can lead the Bucs to a Super Bowl, the only way Rodgers gets on the same plane as Brady is to lead the Raiders to the Super Bowl.

 

If it's about winning another Super Bowl, I'm wondering if he's looking at SF's defense and thinking that's a better opportunity than GB's defense.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

If you look at the best defenses in the NFL, any of the realistic landing spots have already invested in somebody else. He doesn't really have a card to play here if the Packers just say deal with it. Except retiring.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Though I agree with your overall point, I don't even think he'll be a menace. He KNOWS that his best chance to win is with Green Bay, and he KNOWS this team is good enough to do so next year. He's crazy if he thinks that he's got a better chance to win in Oakland next year, and he's not crazy.

Las Vegas, man! Las Vegas!!

 

I wonder how much of it is trying to prove he's as good as Brady. If Brady can lead the Bucs to a Super Bowl, the only way Rodgers gets on the same plane as Brady is to lead the Raiders to the Super Bowl.

 

If it's about winning another Super Bowl, I'm wondering if he's looking at SF's defense and thinking that's a better opportunity than GB's defense.

 

Brady is closer to the point of requiring a Super Bowl championship ring for his second thumb than Rodgers is for his 1st thumb...there's nothing that Rodgers can do with the rest of his career in terms of title pursuits with additional organizations because of that. The truly frustrating aspect to Rodgers has to be the fact that Brady has really only directly cost Rodgers a chance at a Super Bowl in one season spanning both of their careers - despite being more talented physically as a quarterback, Rodgers just hasn't gotten to the ultimate winners circle enough (i.e. the Super Bowl)

[OldHeidelberg]

 

Brady is closer to the point of requiring a Super Bowl championship ring for his second thumb than Rodgers is for his 1st thumb...there's nothing that Rodgers can do with the rest of his career in terms of title pursuits with additional organizations because of that. The truly frustrating aspect to Rodgers has to be the fact that Brady has really only directly cost Rodgers a chance at a Super Bowl in one season spanning both of their careers - despite being more talented physically as a quarterback, Rodgers just hasn't gotten to the ultimate winners circle enough (i.e. the Super Bowl)

 

That is what makes me not care that much if Rodgers leaves, just tired of losing in the playoffs every year. I don't think Rodgers is that much to blame, we just struggle to build a defense that can get past average, but after this last loss I am not sure I believe we will ever win another with him. I addition to this weird QB circus happening all over again the 2 QBs had remarkably similar careers, an early Super Bowl followed by countless playoff failures.

 

May as well start over with Love, it will make for an interesting season that's for sure.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

Brady is closer to the point of requiring a Super Bowl championship ring for his second thumb than Rodgers is for his 1st thumb...there's nothing that Rodgers can do with the rest of his career in terms of title pursuits with additional organizations because of that. The truly frustrating aspect to Rodgers has to be the fact that Brady has really only directly cost Rodgers a chance at a Super Bowl in one season spanning both of their careers - despite being more talented physically as a quarterback, Rodgers just hasn't gotten to the ultimate winners circle enough (i.e. the Super Bowl)

 

That is what makes me not care that much if Rodgers leaves, just tired of losing in the playoffs every year. I don't think Rodgers is that much to blame, we just struggle to build a defense that can get past average, but after this last loss I am not sure I believe we will ever win another with him. I addition to this weird QB circus happening all over again the 2 QBs had remarkably similar careers, an early Super Bowl followed by countless playoff failures.

 

May as well start over with Love, it will make for an interesting season that's for sure.

 

Kind of how I feel. Rodgers's play certainly isn't to blame. But his contract might be. I'm open to trying something new.

[tmwiese55]

If you look at the best defenses in the NFL, any of the realistic landing spots have already invested in somebody else. He doesn't really have a card to play here if the Packers just say deal with it. Except retiring.

 

Exactly. Plus add in the cap logistics as well that would make a trade extremely difficult in finding a true contender who can somehow deal with his contract this late in the offseason. Way at the beginning, you'd have time to figure it out but so many teams have made moves/signings its very tough now. I guess I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the acquiring team still takes on a big hit on cap even the trading team (GB) is taking a hit too. NFL definitely more confusing to me than NBA.

 

Top of my head I think SF can easily cut Jimmy's contract for small hit and I want to say Denver only took on a very small amount of Teddy's contract. Which is probably why those two teams were mentioned. Still, I'd assume each would have to move other money around or make some cuts (having done no research). Can make an argument SF gives an equal chance as GB but I know I'd pick GB for my title chances if I had to pick. Plus of course SF just drafted a QB #3 so the heir apparent issue is even stronger there than here. I suppose they could trade GB that QB though to alleviate that if GB would want him.

[homer]

I think if Rodgers retires he owes the Packers like $23 million - $11.5 from this year and then 11.5 from next year.

[JET15]

I think if Rodgers retires he owes the Packers like $23 million - $11.5 from this year and then 11.5 from next year.

 

Precisely

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/aaron-rodgers-reportedly-willing-to-retire-pay-packers-dollar23-million-to-not-play-for-them/ar-BB1geIgD

[HiAndTight]

I don't know what you're arguing really. I think we're making my same point haha, that the ticking him off is what has pulled out from behind the scenes. If they hadn't ticked him off they probably find a way to get it all done without this drama, he's flexible etc, we never hear squat until the extension is done. Instead, they ticked him off, talk behind the scenes but haven't now given what he wants, so now he's willing to go hard back at them like he did yesterday. Without what they did with Love I doubt it gets this far/bad between them and it all would've got done quietly.

 

To me, it does not make him look that way at all. To me it looks like he's being as shrewd as he can to get all he can and imo they started it. They wanted to play the this is business card last offseason, he's playing it back.

How did they tick him off? I'm assuming he's mad because they had the nerve to draft his replacement when he didn't want to go. Well he had a pretty pedestrian 2019 so they had reason to think that a 37YO QB was declining and they needed to consider a replacement. He kept quite until he had his MVP season then within minutes of that season ending started his scorched earth approach. As people who know him have leaked he takes any slight and revisits it over and over and over again. His actions these last few months clearly is his revenge for the nerve of the Packers considering replacing him. He's Aaron Rodgers...!!!

 

 

 

We're going to BEG for that type of "pedestrian" season once Rodgers leaves.

[PeaveyFury]

We're going to BEG for that type of "pedestrian" season once Rodgers leaves.

 

Opinion vs. fact, no?

[RollieTime]

I don't know what you're arguing really. I think we're making my same point haha, that the ticking him off is what has pulled out from behind the scenes. If they hadn't ticked him off they probably find a way to get it all done without this drama, he's flexible etc, we never hear squat until the extension is done. Instead, they ticked him off, talk behind the scenes but haven't now given what he wants, so now he's willing to go hard back at them like he did yesterday. Without what they did with Love I doubt it gets this far/bad between them and it all would've got done quietly.

 

To me, it does not make him look that way at all. To me it looks like he's being as shrewd as he can to get all he can and imo they started it. They wanted to play the this is business card last offseason, he's playing it back.

How did they tick him off? I'm assuming he's mad because they had the nerve to draft his replacement when he didn't want to go. Well he had a pretty pedestrian 2019 so they had reason to think that a 37YO QB was declining and they needed to consider a replacement. He kept quite until he had his MVP season then within minutes of that season ending started his scorched earth approach. As people who know him have leaked he takes any slight and revisits it over and over and over again. His actions these last few months clearly is his revenge for the nerve of the Packers considering replacing him. He's Aaron Rodgers...!!!

 

 

 

We're going to BEG for that type of "pedestrian" season once Rodgers leaves.

 

People don’t realize how great he still was. He played hurt all of 2018 and in 2019, he still wasn’t 100% confident in the leg while also learning a totally new offense. His passer rating was still 95+ those two seasons. Once he got past the injury and learned the new offense, he dominated. Rodgers was still an easy top 10 QB those seasons.

 

Over 30 seasons straight of a Hall of Fame quarterback at the helm. We could do much much worse and it’s going to be a real wake up call for some once Rodgers isn’t under center. His “down” seasons would be career years for 80% of the league.

[CheezWizHed]

 

My apologies for omitting the word "as". He wouldn't play as well. That is why I clarified it in follow-up post.

 

 

I'm still a little confused. Are you saying he wouldn't have played as well as Favre or just as well as he's played in the era he's in?

 

If it's the later, I think that would go for literally every other QB playing. Mahomes would have been great, but nothing like he is right now if his career started when Favre's did. The QB is just so protected now and on top of that, they keep making it easier to throw the ball, etc..all things we all know.

 

I took it to mean you thought if Rodgers and Favre played in the same era, Rodgers wouldn't have been as good as Favre.

 

I mean that if Rodgers had started his career in 1991 instead of 2005, I think he would've still been a good QB. But I think he would not have reached the peak he did in this era.

 

Likewise, if Favre had started in 2005 instead of 1991, I think he would've been a good QB, just not as good as he was.

 

Simply put, trying to compare QBs at different times is hard. Yes, they overlapped, but the two eras were different. I love having both of them as Packers. They were both great in different ways and different styles. Why does one need to be better than the other?

 

No way for either of us to prove it either way. Just fun

[HiAndTight]

We've also got to remember that Rodgers' current contract doesn't necessarily prohibit the Packers from keeping him around the next 3 seasons...they have a handy out after 2021 without taking a huge cap hit, but they could also just pay him the current 2022 and 2023 contract amounts until he's 41. Not ideal given the cap issues but also not impossible.

 

To me this a urinating contest between Rodgers' camp and the Packers' FO over exactly when Rodgers' deal gets redone and exactly how long the new guaranteed dollars are extended - Gute probably was hoping to get as friendly a restructure/new contract with Rodgers that would have them covered for the next 3-4 seasons, and Rodgers balked at it because it doesn't have enough guaranteed money in it for long enough. Rodgers is now playing hardball and trying to force the issue knowing the Packers probably don't want to have their best option be cutting him after 2021, and also knowing he'll never have more leverage than he does right now given his current contract status/age/coming off an MVP season/etc.

 

And that all has nothing to do with Jeopardy or the fallacy that there hasn't been enough done around him to build a contending roster.

 

 

You can argue that it's a fallacy that the problem is offensive weapons...but you can also make a pretty strong argument that they've done less than just about every other contender.

 

It isn't lost on me that the Packer FO has been moving heaven and earth the past two offseasons doing salary cap gymnastics to get their premium players extended/resigned through Rodgers' window, bringing in quality veteran free agents to fill gaping holes in their defense created under the previous GM's draft misses, all the while attempting to get Rodgers an extension that probably would have made things much easier to make more moves that would resemble "getting him help". I'm no fanboy of Tom Brady, but look at what he's done in terms of his contracts over the years and how much that has helped teams he played on going out and bringing in help.

 

 

Moving heaven and earth the last two off-seasons? It was just last year they moved up for a QB in the 1st round.

 

It was last year they neglected the DL after getting abused vs the 49ers and this year they resigned Jones for a pretty reasonable deal...other than that, they pushed the cap hits one year into the future.

 

The Saints have moved Heaven and Earth to win...the Packers? Please.

[HiAndTight]

We're going to BEG for that type of "pedestrian" season once Rodgers leaves.

 

Opinion vs. fact, no?

 

 

Sure...it's an opinion...that it's unlikely our next QB's down season will look like Aaron Rodgers when his team goes 13-3 and he throws 24/4 in what is considered a down year(his first year in a new system).

 

It's entirely possible that Jordan Love will be as good as Rodgers or better I guess.

[PeaveyFury]

The Saints have moved Heaven and Earth to win...the Packers? Please.

 

And one of those teams will be competing for a Super Bowl next year, the other will be starting either Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill at QB and PRAYING for a playoff spot.

[PeaveyFury]

We're going to BEG for that type of "pedestrian" season once Rodgers leaves.

 

Opinion vs. fact, no?

 

 

Sure...it's an opinion...that it's unlikely our next QB's down season will look like Aaron Rodgers when his team goes 13-3 and he throws 24/4 in what is considered a down year(his first year in a new system).

 

It's entirely possible that Jordan Love will be as good as Rodgers or better I guess.

 

Sounds a lot like the Packer fans who couldn't possibly envision how the Packers could win without Favre 13 years ago.

[PinaMadness]

Packers on the clock.

[HiAndTight]

The Saints have moved Heaven and Earth to win...the Packers? Please.

 

And one of those teams will be competing for a Super Bowl next year, the other will be starting either Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill at QB and PRAYING for a playoff spot.

 

 

So what? That's usually what happens when your HOF QB retires. You see a drop off in play.

 

Either way, I simply pointed out the Packers have NOT done nearly as much as teams like TB and the Saints(or the Chiefs for that matter).

[PeaveyFury]

The Saints have moved Heaven and Earth to win...the Packers? Please.

 

And one of those teams will be competing for a Super Bowl next year, the other will be starting either Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill at QB and PRAYING for a playoff spot.

 

 

So what? That's usually what happens when your HOF QB retires. You see a drop off in play.

 

So I think that the Packers have set up Love pretty well to be a playoff team going forward.

[HiAndTight]

 

So I think that the Packers have set up Love pretty well to be a playoff team going forward.

 

 

Ok? You realize the entire discussion was about what they'd done to win the last couple seasons, right?

 

And if you take each QB away, I think it's not hard to make the argument that the Saints are set up for success at LEAST as much as the Packers.

[HiAndTight]

Sounds a lot like the Packer fans who couldn't possibly envision how the Packers could win without Favre 13 years ago.

 

 

Is this supposed to be in blue or are you serious?

 

Pointing out it's unlikely that the Packers next QB will be as good as Aaron Rodgers sounds to YOU like a Packers fan who "couldn't possibly envision how the Packers could win without Favre?"

 

Is this going to be the only response from now on? If you question that just maybe losing Rodgers doesn't make the Packers better the ONLY response is, "but Rodgers?"

[PeaveyFury]

 

So I think that the Packers have set up Love pretty well to be a playoff team going forward.

 

 

Ok? You realize the entire discussion was about what they'd done to win the last couple seasons, right?

 

Sure do. The Packers put themselves in the NFC championship game the last two years and have themselves well positioned going forward. How did the Saints do? In fact, how have the Saints done in their efforts to go 'all in' throughout Brees' career? I'm sure they didn't waste them worse than the Packers did with their HOF QB....