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Love the stat or hate it WAR seems to be the new stat that arbitration will be based on.

 

 

MLB Proposes determining arbitration salaries by using WAR

 

Maybe it's not perfect, but it's certainly better than wins, saves, and RBIs like the current system uses.

 

What is unknown about this is how they will determine the dollar amount. They would be using the fWAR so relievers would get screwed by this. But Burnes could possibly get $19m in his firs year of arbitration if this were to be used assuming they are going to use an average of the total fWAR $. Which would be about $14m more than what he would make in the current system.

 

This is assuming they take the full fWAR from his first year until now.

 

Yes the small market teams already agreed to this as this is the 2nd proposal from MLB to the union on how they are going to pay players going forward especially younger players. This is more than likely going to be rejected by the union as players wouldn't be able to hit free agency until they are 29.5 years old which could lock in younger players who may not do as well in the first few years they are in the majors and thus lower their value. There is also concerns of teams manipulating the WAR value. Also relievers are penalized severely in WAR compared to starting pitchers also pitchers who pitch more to contact versus striking players out are also hurt by fWAR.

 

I think there will be some kind of compromise on this either using a different stat for relievers or a combination of different stats. Really they shouldn't be using one stat for everything ideally. Ideally you would want at least 3 or 5 different stats to find a balance. Either way younger players are going to become more expensive and I am wondering if the league has promised more revenue sharing for the smaller market teams.

 

I dunno on RPs getting hurt so much. I could assume they have FWar make an adjustment towards pitchers War. The game is sliding towards that 5IP starter. Requiring more use of RPs. Maybe going to DH in NL, you require RPs to face 5 or 6 batters minimum. Taking away some more ability from changing pitchers that add time to the game. Meanwhile the potential extra outs a RP could gain adds value to their FWar.

As a Fan to my team, would think the 29 1/2 age requirement to become FA means a star drafted could play for my team longer or be a Franchise player longer without manipulation of team control. If the money for younger stars goes more immediately in to their pockets, then maybe we see away with small market compensation like draft picks. Draft pick compensation nearly altogether. MLB would have to do away payroll constraints. How a team would predict its future payroll has to be impossible. If we're taxing the top revenue sharing teams to pay for a young superstar on a small market team for up to 11years whatmore from a small market competitive standpoint could you ask for? Now how does FA work is a problem. Are we going to do away with an actual salary and tie compensation via performance? Just that a player is free to choose what team that is for? Does MLB come up with a salary cap floor on what a Franchise needs to spend in/on FA players? For example do they say Milwaukee needs to have 60-75mil spent on Free Agents when making up their roster? How does that work for Tampa? Who is competitive while playing a young team with low cost FAs? Do you say their portion of revenue shared if not reached say 60mil threshold is penalized? One where they only spent 20 of 60mil threshold so the first 40mil that would come their way from revenue sharing is with held then and returned to the markets that are footing Tampa's bill?

Look forward to more in depth what they work out. Seems positive to me they are trying to pay their young stars quicker.

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I dunno on RPs getting hurt so much. I could assume they have FWar make an adjustment towards pitchers War. The game is sliding towards that 5IP starter. Requiring more use of RPs. Maybe going to DH in NL, you require RPs to face 5 or 6 batters minimum. Taking away some more ability from changing pitchers that add time to the game. Meanwhile the potential extra outs a RP could gain adds value to their FWar.

As a Fan to my team, would think the 29 1/2 age requirement to become FA means a star drafted could play for my team longer or be a Franchise player longer without manipulation of team control. If the money for younger stars goes more immediately in to their pockets, then maybe we see away with small market compensation like draft picks. Draft pick compensation nearly altogether. MLB would have to do away payroll constraints. How a team would predict its future payroll has to be impossible. If we're taxing the top revenue sharing teams to pay for a young superstar on a small market team for up to 11years whatmore from a small market competitive standpoint could you ask for? Now how does FA work is a problem. Are we going to do away with an actual salary and tie compensation via performance? Just that a player is free to choose what team that is for? Does MLB come up with a salary cap floor on what a Franchise needs to spend in/on FA players? For example do they say Milwaukee needs to have 60-75mil spent on Free Agents when making up their roster? How does that work for Tampa? Who is competitive while playing a young team with low cost FAs? Do you say their portion of revenue shared if not reached say 60mil threshold is penalized? One where they only spent 20 of 60mil threshold so the first 40mil that would come their way from revenue sharing is with held then and returned to the markets that are footing Tampa's bill?

Look forward to more in depth what they work out. Seems positive to me they are trying to pay their young stars quicker.

 

Relievers are definitely hurt by fWAR. Hader's max fWAR in one season has been 2.6 while Burnes is 7.5. That is a huge difference and basically Hader is the best reliever in terms of fWAR. Hader would be paid less in arbitration because of this. Even if Hader pitched more innings which he did in 2018 he had the same fWAR that he had this year in less innings. I just don't see fWAR being a meaningful stat all alone for a reliever you will need to add more to be able to evaluate their worth to a team than just using fWAR. Plus the union is going to reject this proposition as they already did earlier because of the 29.5 age requirement to become a FA. If MLB is going to have an age requirement on FA it will have to be 2-3 years earlier. So something like 26.5 or 27.5 would probably be more acceptable to the union.

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The argument though; isn't Hader being compensated for the work he puts in? Burnes is up for Cy Young with his 7.5FWar. Pitched and provided more innings with value. Hader or RPs like Hader that want more comparable money? Go ahead and force your team to Start you. How long will Hader keep the numbers he's having when he faces a lineup a 2nd time? Or 3rd? Pitch 1/3 the innings- make 1/3rd the Starters. We've watched numerous failures as Starting Pitchers turn in to top 10 in baseball Set-up or Closers. Unless A RP has had success every bit equal to the success they have as a RP; there's no argument acceptable they should be paid more than they receive today.
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If you're wondering what a Woodruff or Burnes extension might look like, here's a starting point:

 

 

Jose Berrios and Blue Jays in agreement on extension for $131m over seven years, per source. Deal is pending a physical.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006
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I'd give Burnes that in a millisecond.

 

Well yeah but he's gonna ask for more. Berrios is only one year shy of FA.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006
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That drives the price of the contract up though, Berrios was about to have an out. If you signed Burnes to a deal now, he doesn't have to wait until 2025 to get the security and huge deal, he skips arbitration altogether. He wouldn't sign a 7-year deal but you might be able to buy out a year, or two, of FA.
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Tweet contains a quote from Manfred, ""An offseason lockout that moves the process forward is different than a labor dispute that costs games."

 

Evan Drellich's commentary is "Translation: get ready for a lockout."

 

The odds of a new CBA being done before the old one expired were always slim to none, so anyone that wasn't already ready for a lockout hasn't really been paying much attention.

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12 years, $185 million for Franco guaranteed. Nice work if you can get it.
"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006
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Ozuna and his wife seem to be perfect for one another. Last year she was arrested for domestic violence after she smacked him in the face with some sort of soap dish. Lovely couple.

 

There are a couple Braves blogs that are saying Ozuna has a personal conduct clause in his contract that allows the Braves to walk away from the deal if he is convicted of a felony. I'm just guessing but would think this would be bargained down to a misdemeanor and then Ozuna is only subject to whatever suspension that MLB gives him. But if the Braves could walk away, I think a Yelich/Braves matchup would be a wonderful fit.

 

 

Good call JosephC, unfortunately. This honestly grosses me out. I want to see the body cam footage. I suspect baseball doesn't want us to see it. Nothing to see here...we want our star player to hit baseballs again.

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14 team playoffs being discussed in new CBA.

 

I am not sure this will pass but it sounds like the owners want an expanded playoffs.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-proposes-expanded-playoff-format-during-cba-negotiations-per-report/

 

I can’t stand the idea of teams picking their opponent. I hope this part doesn’t make it.

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