Burnes to White Sox rumors

[IntentionalHBP]

Twitter and Reddit has blown up with “Burnes to white Sox” and I was wondering what you guys thought. The Sox and brewers have made plenty of trades together recently, I’m not sure the brewers would let Burnes go.

[wallus]

Anyone is available for the right price.

[wibadgers23]

Kopech and Vaughn for Burnes?

[Eye Black]

Twitter and Reddit has blown up with “Burnes to white Sox” and I was wondering what you guys thought. The Sox and brewers have made plenty of trades together recently, I’m not sure the brewers would let Burnes go.

The Twitter “rumblings” about the White Sox being interested in Brewers’ starting pitchers goes as far back as last season’s trade deadline. Seems like it has stirred back up the past couple of weeks, but there hasn’t been anything reported from any actual member of the media. The rumors seem vague at best. Regarding the Reddit post, here is the Reddit Link so you can decide for yourself. Some of the Reddit commenters mention that same poster incorrectly claimed to have a scoop on an NFL trade last year.

[wallus]

Kopech and Vaughn for Burnes?

 

If you read the comments, the Sox are suggesting mostly a poo poo platter.

[narwhalattack]

Just send the Sox a cardboard cutout of Mr. Burns

[tmwiese55]

I can't see any reason this would make sense while Burnes is still cheap. Sure, yea any overwhelming offer you have to take but why would Sox do that. there just doesn't seem to be anything here that would make sense. Who knows though, things are weird these days.

[homer]

I don't see the Sox making any more moves.

[Jenkins5]

Haven't spent the past 4/5 years doing my best to drive the Burnes future Cy Young homer bus through the highs and lows just to watch him win it for the Soxs. However, if you absolutely drain the White Sox in trade...I'll survive my the heart break.

 

Realistically, you need to pay Woodruff sooner and he has more track record of success. If you are going to sell off some pieces to reload, he seems like the more likely trade in my opinion. Burnes I believe still has at least 4 years of control. Maybe 5 even depending how how this season counted against him.

[long ball]

Tin foil hat time:

 

Burns is a spin rate darling.

 

What do most spin rate darlings have in common? Allegations of foreign substance use for "grip".

 

What did MLB "vow" to crack down on? Foreign substances used by pitchers.

 

Brewers, know spin rate is a huge factor in Burnes' success, are willing to trade him.

[brewmann04]

I am not sure how much dream this has but the brewers will need a big haul

[Outlander]

Haven't spent the past 4/5 years doing my best to drive the Burnes future Cy Young homer bus through the highs and lows just to watch him win it for the Soxs. However, if you absolutely drain the White Sox in trade...I'll survive my the heart break.

 

Realistically, you need to pay Woodruff sooner and he has more track record of success. If you are going to sell off some pieces to reload, he seems like the more likely trade in my opinion. Burnes I believe still has at least 4 years of control. Maybe 5 even depending how how this season counted against him.

Woodruff and Burnes are both controlled by the Brewers four more season.

[wallus]

Only way this makes sense if we get 3+ major league contributors. Not that I would necessarily like it.

[MNBrew]

My opinion: Pure.Gar.bage. . . . Heavy fan dreaming, and why not? The White Sox are in "go for it" mode based on their offseason moves thus far. But "enthusiasm for a Burnes trade by Sox fans" & "likelihood of a Burnes trade to the South Side" would seem to be vastly different things.

 

I still wonder about the accuracy of the initial wording. Kinda reeks like the "Stearns is shopping Hader" stuff of last winter which all rooted in Ken Rosenthal reporting that the Brewers were "willing to listen" on Hader, which is how Stearns handles everyone every winter -- and doesn't mean at all that they're shopping him. Plus, the OP said "The Sox and brewers have made plenty of trades together recently," which to me sounds more grand than the reality -- Swarzak in '17, Soria & Xavier Cedeno in '18 -- which sounds like more like "convenient source of available decent relievers from a non-stellar team" than a major-trade trend . . . not to mention that this is not that same sort of circumstance at all from Milwaukee's point of view. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but still...

 

If Stearns were ever seriously considering this, you'd have to figure the return would have to grossly outweigh what Burnes means to the Brewers. He & Woodruff are co-aces with plenty of team control left. However, Stearns' main mantra is "controllable young talent," thus Burnes is the exact type of guy they're looking to build around, not trade away.

[Lathund]

It makes so little sense for the Brewers to trade Burnes now that it'd have to be an absolutely monstrous return; the kind of return that won't make sense for another team.

 

I guess after the success of wetbutt23 and KatiePerrysBootyHole being the first to break the Quinatana trade, the Sox fans are all in on Twitter/Reddit randoms breaking trades.

[wntrtxn21]

Kopech and Vaughn for Burnes?

 

NO! Kopech hasn't pitched in 2 1/2 years and nobody knows how he'll return. Vaughn is barely out of rookie ball and 3-4 years away, if ever.

[Eye Black]

Vaughn is barely out of rookie ball and 3-4 years away, if ever.

Andrew Vaughn turns 23 in April and is ranked as a top 15-30 prospect in baseball (#21 in Baseball America’s Top 100 released earlier this week). He would’ve most likely started 2020 at Double-A had there been an MiLB season. He could be in the majors as soon as this coming season, but should certainly be there no later than 2022 (next season).

[wntrtxn21]

Vaughn is barely out of rookie ball and 3-4 years away, if ever.

Andrew Vaughn turns 23 in April and is ranked as a top 15-30 prospect in baseball (#21 in Baseball America’s Top 100 released earlier this week). He would’ve most likely started 2020 at Double-A had there been an MiLB season. He could be in the majors as soon as this coming season, but should certainly be there no later than 2022 (next season).

 

I just don't share the enthusiasm for Vaughn. .253 at A and .252/.349 at A+... He hasn't seen AA yet much less AAA pitching. If the Brewers were going to get a highly questionable pitcher, I'd want a more polished and MLB ready prospect for Hader.

[TURBO]

How disappointing it will be to finally produce some pitchers, then to trade them away. The haul better be immense!!! SUPR IMMENSE!

[Simba2020]

Vaughn is barely out of rookie ball and 3-4 years away, if ever.

Andrew Vaughn turns 23 in April and is ranked as a top 15-30 prospect in baseball (#21 in Baseball America’s Top 100 released earlier this week). He would’ve most likely started 2020 at Double-A had there been an MiLB season. He could be in the majors as soon as this coming season, but should certainly be there no later than 2022 (next season).

 

I just don't share the enthusiasm for Vaughn. .253 at A and .252/.349 at A+... He hasn't seen AA yet much less AAA pitching. If the Brewers were going to get a highly questionable pitcher, I'd want a more polished and MLB ready prospect for Hader.

Obviously every single prospect can bust. With that in mind, I'd be more encouraged by his ability to take a walk coupled with a pretty solid contact rate, 30:35 BB:SO, that he's exhibited thus far over the .253 average he's put up in 190 ABs.

[Lathund]

Vaughn is barely out of rookie ball and 3-4 years away, if ever.

Andrew Vaughn turns 23 in April and is ranked as a top 15-30 prospect in baseball (#21 in Baseball America’s Top 100 released earlier this week). He would’ve most likely started 2020 at Double-A had there been an MiLB season. He could be in the majors as soon as this coming season, but should certainly be there no later than 2022 (next season).

 

I just don't share the enthusiasm for Vaughn. .253 at A and .252/.349 at A+... He hasn't seen AA yet much less AAA pitching. If the Brewers were going to get a highly questionable pitcher, I'd want a more polished and MLB ready prospect for Hader.

 

It was A+ in the same year he was drafted. He put up a 122 wRC+ in A+ in his draft year. He has a 12.7% walk rate and a 13.5% strikeout rate too. When you leave out the slugging from your stat lines (As you always do, for some reason) you miss out what players can do. Any particular reason why you left out the .388 OBP in A-ball, but including it for the A+ stats?

[jjfanec]

I really dont want this to be true at all. Makes no sense to trade young, controllable starting pitching. Burnes has a chance to see his value sky rocket

[wibadgers23]

I guess I could see the Brewers selling high on Burnes but it seems very unlikely. We all know how hard it is to develop elite starting pitching and if we trade Burnes then we’re left with Woodruff and a bunch of question marks in the starting rotation. That and inept offense would make for a very long season.

[brewmann04]

I will be totally bummed if this went down the Crew finally now have two young arms would can build their staff around.

[RollieTime]

The Blue Jays always seem interested in acquiring pitching, what about spinning a deal with them? Looks like they might be starting to go for it with the signing of Springer. The Jays can then go out and sign another bat to replace what they trade away.

 

Blue Jays Receive:

RHP Corbin Burnes

 

Brewers Receive:

2B/3B Cavan Biggio

1B Rowdy Tellez

RHP Simeon Woods Richardson

 

The Brewers get long term solutions at first and third or second with the option of trading Hiura or moving him to a new position. They also get a high upside arm that’s in the top 100 that could probably start in AA and might see MLB time by year’s end in 2021.

 

3B Biggio (L)

CF Cain ®

LF Yelich (L)

2B Hiura ®

1B Tellez (L)

RF Garcia ®

C Narvaez (L)

SS Arcia/Urias ®

P

 

That could be a pretty dang good lineup. The rotation would certainly need some help though.

 

Edit to add I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to taking a step back this season if we are having a lower payroll anyway. Get some young guys on the team, let guys like Woods Richardson, Kelly, Small, File, and Bettinger develop and get a shot in the bigs, and go for it again in 2022.