NFC Championship: Buccaneers @ Packers - Sunday, Jan 24th, 2:05 PM

[TURBO]

New Orleans beat Tampa twice.

 

Yup, but were unable to do so when it counted most.

 

not sure what your statement has to do with anything though. Not the same situation by any means.

 

You said when you beat a team twice you are better, period, end of story.

 

And you're not sure what that has to do with it? Sometimes I really think you don't believe 50% of the stuff you say.

 

FWIW, I don't think NO was ever better than Tampa. I'm not sure how they lost to them at all.

 

Not what I said, but you know that... No point in me defending what I said, you will spin it the way you want.

 

Maybe the wounds here are too fresh for anyone to think clearly...

 

I'll take my win and move on to the Super Bowl.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Not what I said, but you know that... No point in me defending what I said, you will spin it the way you want.

 

It is literally exactly what you said. Even the phrase "end of story."

 

Play a team 2 times in the NFL, lose them both, the winning team is the better team. End of story.

 

Also, there are no wounds. I find you incredibly entertaining because you doublespeak more than any poster here. Like when you said this during Week 1 NFL pregame of this season. I'd stop bringing it up if you would just admit it was funny and laugh.

 

I no longer watch the NFL, so I will always be here...lol

[LouisEly]

So did we ever figure out what Pettine was doing right before the half? Did he decide to gamble and play man to take out the quick out opportunity (hoping to stop any field goal opportunity)? Does the press not get to talk to the DC after a game?

Yep, Pettine called man coverage with a single-high safety. Confirmed by MLF in his press conference... and he was not happy about it.

 

I don't see how Pettine is back next year after that gaffe.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Remember that whole "Cubs fan in an IGT" warning from yesterday? Hmmmmm? Turbo, you gotta read the room.

 

You're gloating on a message board full of a bunch of fans who are just as rabid about the Packers as they are the Brewers. None of us are happy today.

 

And my 8 of 10 comment was referring to the teams as they were constructed yesterday. Not in week 6. And yes, I think if they played another 9 times, the Packers win 8. They are the more talented team, with a more talented (talented, not successful) QB.

 

But whatever. The Packers blew it, and it sucks. No need to rub it in any worse than it is.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The gloating doesn't bother me at all. All's fair. The Packers choke so much, there's really nothing any team's fans can do to make me more disappointed in them than I already am. I own the team's identity now. They've earned it.

 

But c'mon. Be willing to own the doublespeak and the absurdity of the "I quit the league because of morals" when it's clear as day you quit because the team sucked, and there's a paper trail that you waited until they had a winning record to hop on. Just laugh at it like anyone would.

[HiAndTight]

So did we ever figure out what Pettine was doing right before the half? Did he decide to gamble and play man to take out the quick out opportunity (hoping to stop any field goal opportunity)? Does the press not get to talk to the DC after a game?

Yep, Pettine called man coverage with a single-high safety. Confirmed by MLF in his press conference... and he was not happy about it.

 

I don't see how Pettine is back next year after that gaffe.

 

 

Jim Leonhard is going to be an NFL DC and likely sooner rather than later. Why don't we make Badgers fans happy and finally make a Badger a Packer.

 

Just...get Pettine out of Green Bay.

[HiAndTight]

I think what's nice is that we're entering the off-season with a lot of progress being made:

-TE-- seems solid with Tonyan's breakout year, Deguara, Dafney, Sternberger, etc.

-WR-- was what we were hoping we'd see with ESB and MVS making huge jumps in year 3, just like Adams did. Lazard is solid again. Would be nice to get another piece in the draft. We always seem to draft a receiver. But we also can't count on them making much of a contribution next year. I'd love a fast depth-piece WR that has vision for returns

-OL--always need more depth.

-RB---depends on Jones and Williams, if either or both return

-DL--need more depth

-LB--would be nice to continue to add more depth, especially speed that can cover and not need to come off when in Nickel

-DB--definitely need more depth. Not sure how the Packers can feel good about King after he was responsible for so much that went wrong in this game.

 

 

It's hard to buy into any "the future is bright" shtick at this point for the franchise. They had a good enough team to get it done this year. They didn't get it done. No guarantee of being back in a conference championship next year, no guarantee of getting HFA at Lambeau, no guarantee of a weak wide open NFC. It's another massive opportunity blown.

 

 

It's really hard to. Everything went right this year...and they still found a way to blow it. We all knew before the game that we'd find a way to lose it.

 

I don't think there's any reason to expect us to fall off during the season next year(other than obviously SF will be back).

 

I guess you could argue the Packers have a lot of young talent, 10 draft picks and the players they're losing are at positions that are relatively easy to replace...

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/nfl_salary_cap_could_be_higher_than_expected_in_2021/s1_12680_33496772

 

And if this is true, even that might not be the case. But when you find new and unique ways to lose...it's hard to see what difference it makes.

[HiAndTight]

The gloating doesn't bother me at all. All's fair. The Packers choke so much, there's really nothing any team's fans can do to make me more disappointed in them than I already am. I own the team's identity now. They've earned it.

 

But c'mon. Be willing to own the doublespeak and the absurdity of the "I quit the league because of morals" when it's clear as day you quit because the team sucked, and there's a paper trail that you waited until they had a winning record to hop on. Just laugh at it like anyone would.

 

 

Eh...it's just really tacky IMO to come on and gloat on a Brewers message board with fellow Brewers fan when you've long claimed you're not a fan of the NFL.

 

The gloating does really annoy me...but Brewerfan has a nice little feature for that.

[HiAndTight]

They are currently $28 million over the cap. They used any wiggle room they had to sign a soon-to-be 30-year old tackle with a torn ACL. The term ‘hell’ may be a bit of hyperbole, but this won’t be a walk in the park.

 

 

Dude....I JUST went over this.

 

A-They're not "over" any cap because they don't have a cap yet. All they have is a floor. The absolutely LOWEST the cap could possibly be.

 

It's a little unfair to say 'we don't know what the cap is, it's just speculation' regarding the 2021 cap while then stating 'the cap is going to go up a bunch in 2022 so there's nothing to worry about.' If the 2021 cap number is speculation at this point, then the 2022 number is as well, with the disadvantage of one additional year of time to pass before it's set.

 

 

I think that's a disingenuous argument. There MIGHT be one year the cap doesn't go up and if that's the case, it'll be because of a global pandemic that for the first time in NFL history caused games to be played without fans.

 

The NFL's revenue has been rising at a steady rate minus extremely rare circumstances. I just posted a link that goes over the NFL's financial future.

 

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020/12/18/nfl-close-to-us100-billion-broadcast-deal/

 

So unless there's another global pandemic that disrupted the NFL revenue stream, I think we can all make a logical assumption that either they spread the hit to the cap over several seasons thereby raising the cap beyond the floor they set for this year or they won't and expected rise in the cap that everyone assumed we'd see pre-covid...will come a year later.

[PeaveyFury]

I think that's a disingenuous argument. There MIGHT be one year the cap doesn't go up and if that's the case, it'll be because of a global pandemic that for the first time in NFL history caused games to be played without fans.

 

The NFL's revenue has been rising at a steady rate minus extremely rare circumstances. I just posted a link that goes over the NFL's financial future.

 

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020/12/18/nfl-close-to-us100-billion-broadcast-deal/

 

So unless there's another global pandemic that disrupted the NFL revenue stream, I think we can all make a logical assumption that either they spread the hit to the cap over several seasons thereby raising the cap beyond the floor they set for this year or they won't and expected rise in the cap that everyone assumed we'd see pre-covid...will come a year later.

 

I think you missed the overall point: "The Packers will be over the cap in 2021" is an educated guess. As is "the cap will go up significantly in 2022". Neither is fact. It's unfair to criticize a poster for saying the first statement, while presenting the second as fact.

[adambr2]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/25/corey-linsley-i-dont-know-what-aaron-rodgers-meant-by-his-postgame-comments/

 

From 23:30 to about 27:00 is a very good analysis of the defensive play right before halftime.

[homer]

Hey guys, I recommend using the 2020 Packers thread for this discussion on roster moves. It's a good one and I'd hate for it to get lost in the shuffle.

[AKCheesehead]

https://www.thefixisin.net/the-2020-nfl-season

[adambr2]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/01/packers-offseason-mistakes-draft-picks-costly-in-buccaneers-loss

[PeaveyFury]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/01/packers-offseason-mistakes-draft-picks-costly-in-buccaneers-loss

 

What a strange, winding article with logic that twists back on itself (Bold added by me):

 

"Green Bay’s offense led the league in offensive DVOA by a healthy margin and Aaron Rodgers will probably be named MVP next week after throwing a career-high 48 touchdowns, so it’s hard to look back on this season and claim that the receiver position was a real issue; but, in the 31-26 loss to the Buccaneers, it certainly was.

 

Rodgers had a good day and all, and Green Bay got big plays out of receivers not named Davante Adams, but"

 

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln.....

 

"The Packers were probably a receiver away from being the NFL’s best team"

 

Did the author watch any of the times our defense was on the field? Where is this narrative that the offense needed additional is coming from, other than people who insisted they had to draft a WR still insisting that they needed to do so? The offense WASN'T ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE PROBLEM with the 2020 Packers.

 

"The team so clearly needed an upgrade at cornerback behind Jaire Alexander but decided to run it back with Kevin King second on the depth chart."

 

Was there a single time that 'replacing Kevin King' was discussed last off season? A single time?

 

"But instead of bringing in another receiver or cornerback, the Packers used their draft picks on backup players at other positions and signed only tackle Rick Wagner and linebacker Christian Kirksey in free agency. Green Bay did sign WR Devin Funchess"

So, other than the time they signed a WR, they didn't sign a WR?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I thought that was a very bad take as well for all the reasons stated. There are areas in which the Packers could have done better by Rodgers, but for all intents and purposes, both the 2014 and 2020 teams were constructed well enough to win championships. No draft pick, no signee, no scheme guarantees that. The players have to do it on the field and in both cases, they could have, should have, but did not. That's not the FO.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Take all the angst about officiating selective calls/no calls, missed opportunities in the 4th quarter, the wrong decision to kick the FG instead of going for it on 4th and goal, etc....It really isn't much more than a key injury (Bakhtiari), a dropped TD pass by your all-world WR (Adams), and a horrid defensive call at the end of the 1st half that Brady took advantage of - This year's NFC championship loss was nothing like the smackdowns against the 49ers last year or the Falcons a few years prior that left us wondering how they managed to get that far with the marginal talent they had on the roster in key places...the 2020 Packers were good enough to win and simply found ways not to against a good but very beatable Buccaneer team.

 

The 2014 loss was a total gut punch because the Packers flat out dominated that game but found a way to lose through a combination of poor game management decisions and failure for one player to make a play here and there down the stretch to seal the win. This one just felt like a letdown - and it had zero to do with their offseason roster management decisions that article talks about.

[adambr2]

The Bahk injury sucked and we probably win with him but the Bucs had some key guys out too. Wagner got the job done for the most part since Bahk went down. He did not come close to getting the job done on Sunday.

 

My blood is still boiling over Pettine making a call that was so bad situationally that your average Madden player would know not to do it. I can't understand how 48 hours have gone by and he has apparently not even been asked about it by the media?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

He'd have to talk to the media first, and likely just got out of dodge ASAP. I don't believe coordinators are required to visit the podium.

 

I think the call came down to Pettine trying to keep the Bucs out of FG range. Inexcusably it did not occur to him that they would risk coming away with 0 points by going deep, which is probably what would have happened had that pass not been caught.

 

As a fan, when that ball was snapped, the only thing I was thinking was "please just go underneath and settle for 3." I was terrified of exactly what they did.

[adambr2]

He'd have to talk to the media first, and likely just got out of dodge ASAP. I don't believe coordinators are required to visit the podium.

 

I think the call came down to Pettine trying to keep the Bucs out of FG range. Inexcusably it did not occur to him that they would risk coming away with 0 points by going deep, which is probably what would have happened had that pass not been caught.

 

As a fan, when that ball was snapped, the only thing I was thinking was "please just go underneath and settle for 3." I was terrified of exactly what they did.

 

There wasn't even any help for a potential sideline route to keep the Bucs out of FG range. All help was in the middle of the field. If they wanted to run a quick out route against man coverage and then get out of bounds, that opportunity was there too for both Evans and Miller. It wasn't even designed to prevent THAT.

[PeaveyFury]

There are three guys covering the middle of the field on that play if you look at the overhead views. Pettine called that play like he thought they had a timeout left, which is a fireable offense.

[PinaMadness]

So did we ever figure out what Pettine was doing right before the half? Did he decide to gamble and play man to take out the quick out opportunity (hoping to stop any field goal opportunity)? Does the press not get to talk to the DC after a game?

Yep, Pettine called man coverage with a single-high safety. Confirmed by MLF in his press conference... and he was not happy about it.

 

I don't see how Pettine is back next year after that gaffe.

 

 

Jim Leonhard is going to be an NFL DC and likely sooner rather than later. Why don't we make Badgers fans happy and finally make a Badger a Packer.

 

Just...get Pettine out of Green Bay.

Because Leonhard is a Pettine disciple.

[adamb100]

Didnt Wade Phillips announce he’s ready to be back in the NFL? Can we get him?

[CheezWizHed]

Whom can we steal from the Vikings? Zimmer always seems to have good defenses (except this year) and I'd love to weaken their coaching staff by snagging away a star pupil.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Didnt Wade Phillips announce he’s ready to be back in the NFL? Can we get him?

 

I think he's like 75. He's a good coach but that's getting up there. I believe Pete Carroll is currently the oldest coach. Not that it couldn't work at all, but I would be surprised if MLF gets to call his shot now and goes with somebody that old and recycled.