NFC Championship: Buccaneers @ Packers - Sunday, Jan 24th, 2:05 PM

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Even Ted Thompson wasn't willing to trade up to get Rodgers. He fell into his lap. I don't think he went into 2005 targeting Rodgers.

 

Sorry, but Rodgers was in the conversation for the first overall pick. He took an unprecedented fall and the value was just too much to pass up. Comparing it trading up 4 spots to #26 to get a guy who was widely seen as a late 1st or 2nd round project is just not even close to being the same thing.

 

The equivalency would have been Justin Herbert falling all the way to us at #30 and taking him there. I think that would have been a lot different conversation.

 

Rodgers also hasn't been threatening to retire every offseason like Favre did. Favre's future was a lot more uncertain. All indications from Rodgers have been that he'd be happy to play to 43 if we were actually competing in Super Bowls.

 

Exactly. The argument and situation for picking Rodgers was not at all the same as the one for Love. It was a much more reasonable selection in 2005 than last year and it's not revisionist, there are plenty of reasons for that.

 

And the turnovers are extremely relevant to me, because it is the single biggest negative play for a QB and Favre had made them his little special. His completion and yardage per play are not surprising for a Year 1 QB playing with a bunch of inexperienced WRs. Did Rodgers look like he was maybe not playing as well? Yeah, that's fair. But he still looked like he could QB a Super Bowl team.

 

With Brett Favre, I legitimately started thinking toward the end that they weren't going to ever win another one because of him.

[yourout]

LaFleur confirmed that Pettine called man coverage on the touchdown at the end of the first half that pushed the Buccaneers’ lead to 21-10. The 39-yard score from Tom Brady to Scott Miller beat Kevin King up the left sideline, and the Packers were in a single-high safety look with man coverage underneath. LaFleur was extremely unhappy about the call, saying “Yeah, that was man coverage; definitely not the right call for the situation. You can’t do stuff like that against a good football team like that and expect to win.”

 

I have to say it again for emphasis -- Mike Pettine had a timeout to figure out what playcall to go with and with only needing to cover the sidelines and endzone he called this albatross of a play.

 

Oh yea.....he be gone. He might start packing tonight.

[Eye Black]

So who are some of the better potential defensive coordinator candidates for next season?

[homer]

So who are some of the better potential defensive coordinator candidates for next season?

 

Jim Leonard (I thought about making this blue but decided not to)

[adambr2]

So who are some of the better potential defensive coordinator candidates for next season?

 

Well, any idiot with a controller playing "Madden" knows that you don't play Cover 1 with 8 seconds left in the half and your opponent is at the 40 with no timeouts, so we can start there and work our way up.

 

Gregg Williams comes to mind. I don't think they'll look too heavily at internal candidates.

 

Hopefully a handpicked guy will be a better fit for MLF, but we'll see. Shawn Mennanga was a handpicked guy, and he's been a disaster.

[HarveysWBs]

So who are some of the better potential defensive coordinator candidates for next season?

Well, if we’re now concerned about ensuring the franchise QB stays committed, I start to wonder if Wade Phillips isn’t the guy. I have a vague memory of reading once that Rodgers has respect for him.

 

Honestly, I was kind of hoping the vikes would axe Zimmer and we’d pick him up on the rebound, but that ship (pun very much intended) has sailed.

[FVBrewerFan]

Before they search for a DC, they better take a strong look at going back to a 4-3 defense.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Guessing it'll be a no-name type of guy under 40 that 75% hate, 5% love and 20% are willing to see how it goes.

[HarveysWBs]

A trip down memory lane, courtesy of TJ Lang and some dude who will not be named:

 

And to be clear, I am not advocating hatred and threats towards players, but if the guy is going to bring it up...

[adambr2]

I don't want to overanalyze it, but it feels like the younger generation of coaches (McVay, Lafleur, Stefanski) tend to be great regular season preparation coaches, and tend to crap their pants and get outcoached by veteran coaches like Reid, Arians, and Belichick when the stakes get highest.

[adambr2]

I also think Kevin King probably cost himself millions of dollars today. Normally I would expect an NFL GM to withhold judgment off of one terrible game, but if I'm an NFL GM watching him perform this badly on this big of stage, there's no way in hell I'm paying up for this guy.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

King was never good and was a disappointment his whole time here. I'm surprised he's 25 because it feels like I've been watching him stink for 8 years. Fans are sometimes reluctant to admit that random players aren't any good and he was the latest example. He's bad.

[yourout]

A trip down memory lane, courtesy of TJ Lang and some dude who will not be named:

 

And to be clear, I am not advocating hatred and threats towards players, but if the guy is going to bring it up...

 

I actually don't blame Bostick as much as I do Peppers for having the DB lay down after the pick with at least 20 yards ahead of him.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I blame Bostick, because his assignment was to block and that ball was floating right into Jordy Nelson's arms, but at this point it's clear we would have found some other way to lose the game, so, meh.

[adambr2]

A trip down memory lane, courtesy of TJ Lang and some dude who will not be named:

 

And to be clear, I am not advocating hatred and threats towards players, but if the guy is going to bring it up...

 

I actually don't blame Bostick as much as I do Peppers for having the DB lay down after the pick with at least 20 yards ahead of him.

 

It's all the same. Bostick. Peppers having Burnett go down. Haha blowing the 2 pointer. Tying Arizona on a miracle only to have the defense give it back on one play in OT. Letting Colin K run for 200 yards. Inexplicable coaching decisions and missed opportunities costing us the one NFC Championship we finally had at home. Going 15-1 and getting curbstomped at home by a 9-7 Wild Card team.

 

We're the Packers, we choke in the playoffs. That's been our identity ever since SB 45. We can beat Dallas, that's all we have going for us.

[adambr2]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/01/the-packers-need-to-move-on-from-defensive-coordinator-mike-pettine

 

Pettine had a robber in the middle of the field...seriously, he covered the middle of the field. A 30 yard completion down the middle of the field would have been the perfect play for us.

 

Did he think Tampa had a timeout left? Please help me understand...I cannot totally discount the possibility that he had money on this game against us, it was that bad of a call.

 

At the LEAST they needed to split the field with 2 deep safeties which would have been infinitely better than Cover 1. The safety on that side of the field is likely going to get over to get in front of Miller in time. But really you have no reason to not play at least 3 deep or even quarters.

 

Inexplicably they went with Cover 1 which literally put a safety in the only part of the field that they did not actually need to cover.

[MadThinker88]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/01/the-packers-need-to-move-on-from-defensive-coordinator-mike-pettine

 

Pettine had a robber in the middle of the field...seriously, he covered the middle of the field. A 30 yard completion down the middle of the field would have been the perfect play for us.

 

Did he think Tampa had a timeout left? Please help me understand...I cannot totally discount the possibility that he had money on this game against us, it was that bad of a call.

 

Yes it was a bad call (& its time for a DC change), but it wasn't as bad as Gregg Williams going cover ZERO/ all out blitz on the final 2 plays of the game so that the LV Raiders could come back against the NY Jets this season.

[adambr2]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/01/the-packers-need-to-move-on-from-defensive-coordinator-mike-pettine

 

Pettine had a robber in the middle of the field...seriously, he covered the middle of the field. A 30 yard completion down the middle of the field would have been the perfect play for us.

 

Did he think Tampa had a timeout left? Please help me understand...I cannot totally discount the possibility that he had money on this game against us, it was that bad of a call.

 

Yes it was a bad call (& its time for a DC change), but it wasn't as bad as Gregg Williams going cover ZERO/ all out blitz on the final 2 plays of the game so that the LV Raiders could come back against the NY Jets this season.

 

The Jets season was far in the toilet by this point. Whereas our DCs decision cost us a chance at a Super Bowl.

[MadThinker88]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/01/the-packers-need-to-move-on-from-defensive-coordinator-mike-pettine

 

Pettine had a robber in the middle of the field...seriously, he covered the middle of the field. A 30 yard completion down the middle of the field would have been the perfect play for us.

 

Did he think Tampa had a timeout left? Please help me understand...I cannot totally discount the possibility that he had money on this game against us, it was that bad of a call.

 

Yes it was a bad call (& its time for a DC change), but it wasn't as bad as Gregg Williams going cover ZERO/ all out blitz on the final 2 plays of the game so that the LV Raiders could come back against the NY Jets this season.

 

The Jets season was far in the toilet by this point. Whereas our DCs decision cost us a chance at a Super Bowl.

 

Saying that 1 bad call in the 1st half cost GBP the game is like Browns fans screaming about the helmet to helmet hit (& non-call) at the goal line near the end of the 1st half last week vs the Chiefs.

 

Both items hurt but the GBP (& the Browns last week) had chances to comeback & tie/ take the lead in the 2nd half of the game. Both teams did not execute & now both teams are at home watching the round of the playoffs in 2 weeks.

[PinaMadness]

As if I didn't like Bostick enough, he had to go ahead and make this all about him.

[brewcrewdue80]

Rodgers also hasn't been threatening to retire every offseason like Favre did. Favre's future was a lot more uncertain. All indications from Rodgers have been that he'd be happy to play to 43 if we were actually competing in Super Bowls.

 

Wanting to play and being able to are two different things. The way things looked after 2019 suggested that the latter may be an issue.

 

Regardless, if the point is that they 'should have used their first to get Aaron more help to win while he's still here', it was literally the same thing Packer fans were saying in 2005 and for the next several seasons. I literally remember someone calling into a radio show after the SUPER BOWL WIN, refusing to give Thompson credit for the XLV win and Rodgers pick, because 'if they had drafted more help for Favre we would have won 2-3 more super bowls with him....'

 

They went and got the guy they wanted to transition to from Rodgers. Fans can (and clearly, some of you do) hate that, but we won't know if it was the right move for 5 years or so. Just please don't be that guy calling into the show after the Super Bowl LX win claiming that if they had drafted a WR in 2020, we'd have won 3 more titles with Rodgers....

 

Maybe cuz that caller was you?

 

Love was a terrible pick by moving up to get him. I advocated for Queen when moving up. I dont understand how he rates the worst LB with 3 sacks 2 Forced fumbles two fumble recoveries 9TFL 10 QB hits 1INT over 100tackles. Simply bad at coverage? Maybe that goes with scheme? Maybe thats just him being a rookie. Either way Queen was out on the field his rookie year well over 70pct of snaps. Unlike Gary last season who snap counts lowered during his rookie season.

I really wanted Claypool. But you know thinking about this season and not drafting a WR for Rodgers also meant not drafting a kick or punt returner. It was a huge misstep but Gutekunst with the draft. MLF made this draft even worse with not using Dillon in the 4th quarter after Jones was out of the game back in the 3rd. The whole idea drafting him was to win games on tired defenses during the 4th qtr in Dec and Jan. MLF showed no confidence to that ploy today. Thats 3 wasted picks and Deguara was a late 5th early 6th rd projection taken in the 3rd. (Maybe having that 4th you wouldnt have had to reach 2 rds there?)

 

Speaking about Rodgers declined numbers is forgetting he and all those WRs were in a new system. Lower pass completion pct knowing Rodgers is directly him throwing the ball more often away rather than toss a 50 50 as Brady did today often.(it worked early for him so we lucked he kept at it) lower completion pct will mean lower yards per att. Aaron Jones was arguably the best RB in 2019. That will lessen his TDs. Adams missed 4games. Graham, Allison were terrible receivers. Rodgers number were a reflection of that. The need was obvious to draft a WR and 2020's draft presented with a lot of winners.

Like someone said. TB provided Brady with winning solutions last offseason. Our offseason solution seemed to be Devin Funchess and 3years out.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm sorry, but that call to end the half was monumental in the game, and it is an extremely huge reason they lost. They could have come out of the break and gotten a lead on one possession. Not only were they down 2 scores, but it was a massive punch to the gut. It wasn't "one bad play." It was a catastrophe and the exact moment I said "Yeah ok, we're not winning this game."

 

They did come back but it doesn't make the play less significant. Yesterday was just another in a way too long line of comical Packers choke jobs. I know it's a fresh disappointment but I'm not sure I want to even watch this team anymore. This crap is so unbelievably predictable with them it's become astounding.

[nodakfan17]

I'm sorry, but that call to end the half was monumental in the game, and it is an extremely huge reason they lost. They could have come out of the break and gotten a lead on one possession. Not only were they down 2 scores, but it was a massive punch to the gut. It wasn't "one bad play." It was a catastrophe and the exact moment I said "Yeah ok, we're not winning this game."

That was my thought too. Flashback to the 2011 Divisional. Add the Aaron Jones fumble and subsequent score. It was the devastating turn of events I expected all year long.

[MrTPlush]

Comparing the Favre and Rodgers situation is crazy. They just aren’t that comparable of situation. The only reason this is beat to death as a comparison is because Rodgers is a Packer and was the guy who was drafted when Favre was still around.

 

Mid 30s QB that had a QB drafted on him in the 1st round. That’s all that is similar, the rest of the details are vastly different.

 

That’s not to say there isn’t an argument that the pick was justified...but comparing it to the Favre situation is kind of a lazy comp. maybe Love works out, maybe not. I guess we shall see. I will say I didn’t really like the pick. I thought it was years early. Love just didn’t seem like a special enough talent to waste such a valuable pick(s) when we had Rodgers. Of course I guess we will eventually see how good Love is. Whether that be here or somewhere else.

[PeaveyFury]

 

Maybe cuz that caller was you?

 

What??

 

I dont understand how he rates the worst LB

 

Sorry, SECOND worst. He must have had a decent game in week 17, and my apologies to Elandon Roberts of the Dolphins for not giving him the honor of calling him the worst. His pass rush rating was slightly above average. Run defense and pass coverage were horrid. Really, really bad.