NFC Championship: Buccaneers @ Packers - Sunday, Jan 24th, 2:05 PM

[adambr2]

Pettine NOT using the prevent at the end of the half was almost like him saying, “okay, they know I’m gonna throw the prevent out there. So let’s call a time out and then confuse them with something different! They won’t expect that. It’s gonna work!”

 

Ugh.

 

 

Either that or the fix was in and this was just a part of it...

 

According to everything I've read, he did. King just went rogue and got burned.

 

Do you have a link?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think 2021 is very likely Rodgers's final season in GB.

[RollieTime]

Horrible defensive scheme to end the first half, allowing 7 points, dropped 2 point conversion, atrocious holding call with under 2 minutes left when none were called all game, Adams completely open for a touchdown on the free play and wasn’t looked at, no call on Jones’ face mask being held on I believe a second down run that ended up in us punting instead of getting an automatic first down, Adams dropping a touchdown pass, am I missing something? Many missed opportunities, numerous horrible officiating calls or lack there of. We had every opportunity to win this game and left it up to the officials to decide the outcome. I feel slightly cheated, but to be honest it shouldn’t have been that close anyway. We should of won by 10 points.

 

Edit to add Lazard not looking for the ball down near the goal line when it was thrown to him was another big mistake.

 

Second edit to add that Lazard was held on the pass where Rodgers was picked off. Maybe I need to blame the refs a little more

[HiAndTight]

On another note. I don't want to see the Packers EVER draft another Iowa defensive back.

 

?

 

King went to Washington? And Hyde was pretty good?

Oops. I thought king was from Iowa.

Hyde was average in my eyes.

 

 

You must be mixing up Desmond King and our King...who was bad today.

 

Kevin King has a lot of talent and if he wants to come back for 3 million, I'm sure we can work something out, but we should be looking to upgrade their either way.

 

Kevin King would probably get 8 million or so AAV in a normal year, but it's not. He wants to come back, you pay him based on what he's done, not his upside...which means he won't be back.

 

I am curious how limited he was in this game due to his back. And if he was, where the hell was Tramon?

[DHonks]

Some thoughts:

-King was brutal. Nearly every big play was his fault and guys were catching it as he fell down.

-We had no balance in the red zone. Nearly every play was an attempt into the end zone. Why not a screen, dump off, slant, or any other play for a few yards and then let the skill player try to get in?

-Great run defense. I think they had 1 run longer than 5 yards--the TD. And we even had that bottled up for no gain if someone had held containment.

-Our DB's need to work on catching. Redmond likely saw Amos coming and expected to get hit, but needs to catch that. King has averaged about 6-7 gimme INT's dropped each season.

-Watching Brees and Brady toss touch throws is a thing of beauty. Yes, Lazard needs to catch that 2-pointer, and yes it was tipped at the line...but it he fires that 90 mph instead of 101, that's a catch.

-MVS with a huge game. Yet on that 2nd down towards the end of the game, if Rodgers puts any air under it, MVS goes all the way for a TD. Instead it was incomplete.

-Packers receivers looked for DPI at least 7 times in the game.

-Jones' 1st fumble should have been a personal foul for leading with the helmet and h2h contact.

[HiAndTight]

Pettine NOT using the prevent at the end of the half was almost like him saying, “okay, they know I’m gonna throw the prevent out there. So let’s call a time out and then confuse them with something different! They won’t expect that. It’s gonna work!”

 

Ugh.

 

 

Either that or the fix was in and this was just a part of it...

 

According to everything I've read, he did. King just went rogue and got burned.

 

Do you have a link?

 

 

Also...HOW did he go rogue? Him playing man coverage up on Miller with no safety help over the top isn't on him. You can't always tell what the play call is and who's at fault, but this argument that King went rogue...that only makes sense if he's got a safety over the top. How else could he have gone rogue? And IIRC, they were all pressing.

[young guns]

Yes, Lazard needs to catch that 2-pointer, and yes it was tipped at the line...but it he fires that 90 mph instead of 101, that's a catch.

St. Brown wasn't it?

[adambr2]

Some thoughts:

-King was brutal. Nearly every big play was his fault and guys were catching it as he fell down.

-We had no balance in the red zone. Nearly every play was an attempt into the end zone. Why not a screen, dump off, slant, or any other play for a few yards and then let the skill player try to get in?

-Great run defense. I think they had 1 run longer than 5 yards--the TD. And we even had that bottled up for no gain if someone had held containment.

-Our DB's need to work on catching. Redmond likely saw Amos coming and expected to get hit, but needs to catch that. King has averaged about 6-7 gimme INT's dropped each season.

-Watching Brees and Brady toss touch throws is a thing of beauty. Yes, Lazard needs to catch that 2-pointer, and yes it was tipped at the line...but it he fires that 90 mph instead of 101, that's a catch.

-MVS with a huge game. Yet on that 2nd down towards the end of the game, if Rodgers puts any air under it, MVS goes all the way for a TD. Instead it was incomplete.

-Packers receivers looked for DPI at least 7 times in the game.

-Jones' 1st fumble should have been a personal foul for leading with the helmet and h2h contact.

 

We're really blaming Rodgers for that 2? It was St. Brown, not Lazard, and it could not have hit him in a better spot. It was a tight window and if it's 90 instead of 101 as you describe it he never has a chance because it gets tipped more flush and never gets to him.

 

ESB needs to catch that.

[brewcrewdue80]

MLF lost this game in the 4th qtr. 2 TOs down 5 and you come out with passes and passes. AJ Dillon makes a great catch, carries TB defenders 6yds. The guy"drafted" to win you games in Lambeau 4th qtr. Never on the field both those 3 and out drives. You know why the passing game went stale right there? Because there was no threat of running the ball. Finally last drive 1st down run with Dillon 9yards carrying White Again on the tackle. Whatcha going do MLF? Put the kid back in your pocket and pass pass pass.

 

18games coached this year. I feel MLF only won 3 or 4 2nd halfs this season. My god 4th qtr at home down 5 and complete whiff on taking over the game running over what should have been a tired defense.

 

 

 

MLF lost us THIS game(or at least didn't give us a chance to win it).

 

But to say he only won 3-4 half this year? I don't agree with that one bit. Again, the FG was maybe the worst decision in Packers history, but his offense revitalized this team and Rodgers.

 

This skill group led the league in separation yards per route. That's scheme, not pure talent.

 

I get being frustrated, but I think you're being a little hard on MLF overall. Put this game on him though.

 

2nd halfs is my statement. In 18games If I had to chose what head coach won the 2nd half I feel 3 to 4 MLF did. I'd have chosen the other coach the other games. He won most of the 1st halfs this year.

[HiAndTight]

Some thoughts:

-King was brutal. Nearly every big play was his fault and guys were catching it as he fell down.

-We had no balance in the red zone. Nearly every play was an attempt into the end zone. Why not a screen, dump off, slant, or any other play for a few yards and then let the skill player try to get in?

-Great run defense. I think they had 1 run longer than 5 yards--the TD. And we even had that bottled up for no gain if someone had held containment.

-Our DB's need to work on catching. Redmond likely saw Amos coming and expected to get hit, but needs to catch that. King has averaged about 6-7 gimme INT's dropped each season.

-Watching Brees and Brady toss touch throws is a thing of beauty. Yes, Lazard needs to catch that 2-pointer, and yes it was tipped at the line...but it he fires that 90 mph instead of 101, that's a catch.

-MVS with a huge game. Yet on that 2nd down towards the end of the game, if Rodgers puts any air under it, MVS goes all the way for a TD. Instead it was incomplete.

-Packers receivers looked for DPI at least 7 times in the game.

-Jones' 1st fumble should have been a personal foul for leading with the helmet and h2h contact.

 

 

That was St. Brown who dropped the ball. And you can't just float that in there. That was a tight window...maybe he put a little bit too much on it, but it hit a professional WR'er in the numbers. Also, thought maybe MVS could have tried to lay out for that one, but you're right, rights puts a little more under that, and he's going to the house.

 

Otherwise, I agree. Didn't remember the leading with the helmet, but I'll take your word for it.

 

 

Maybe we should place SOME of the blame on Jaire. If he wasn't just LOCKING DOWN whoever the hell he was covering, they wouldn't have thrown at King so often?

 

Seriously, the 2nd best secondary in the NFL(so say the stats) and we give up some just absurd plays.

 

Who the hell would have thought after last year we'd be saying, "Man, our run D was outstanding...even without missing our second-best run defender and having pretty much the same defense, but we lost this time because the secondary blew it.

[pacopete4]

Rodgers just feeding the off-season story lines after this one.

[adambr2]

We can be favored by 2 touchdowns in next years NFCCG and I'll still fully believe we'll find a way to choke until we actually reach a Super Bowl. It's become synonymous with Packer football and Wisconsin sports in general. I let myself believe today that this was our turn -- that we would finally get it done and none of the past mattered. I truly believed we would win.

 

I won't believe again. They let us down -- again.

[nodakfan17]

I think 2021 is very likely Rodgers's final season in GB.

More than likely. They’re headed for salary cap hell even if they can use cuts and re-structuring to buy them another year.

[HiAndTight]

I think 2021 is very likely Rodgers's final season in GB.

 

 

I get that we're disappointed in this loss, but I would be my house that it's not...provided he comes back and has a good year next year.

 

Rodgers COULD have done more...but he's far from the problem and is the NFL's MVP.

 

Jordan Love would have to be spectacular in whatever time he got next year(Pre-season if there is any PLUS he'd have to show up in the regular season)...and I doubt that's happening.

 

I think it's more likely they keep him through his contract than get rid of him next year(going into 2022).

[HiAndTight]

I think 2021 is very likely Rodgers's final season in GB.

More than likely. They’re headed for salary cap hell even if they can use cuts and re-structuring to buy them another year.

 

 

No...we're....not.

 

If they don't agree to raise the cap this year, the cap is going to SKY ROCKET the following year.

 

They were projecting the cap to go as high as 250 next year before Covid and that's before the new 100 billion dollar TV deal kicks in.

 

The Cap could very well be at 300 million in a couple of years. They're not getting rid of Rodgers because of his cap number.

 

 

Like every team, if the cap stays where it's at, we're going to be in a crunch this year. After that, the cap will go up and so will our player costs. We're not going to be in cap hell unless we really try and create cap room this year(like enough to sign a FA or two) and push EVERYTHING down the road.

[adambr2]

Arians massively outcoached MLF today. I was praying they would punt before half but told my buddies I didn't think they had anything to lose by going for it and after a timeout Arians thought better of it too. Turned out, they had 7 points to gain.

 

Passing the ball on 1st and 10 with 2:02 was also brilliant because the 2 minute warning will hit after the play regardless of the play outcome and our defense was unsurprisingly anticipating run and not ready.

 

Trusting Mike Pettine's defense to make a stop with everything at stake over trusting Aaron Rodgers to get 8 yards on one play and then a 2 was an egregiously terrible move. At that point I don't think many people realistically thought we'd get another chance and even if we did we still needed a TD. Just a horrible, horrible move.

 

The playcalling sucked and it's yet another NFCCG that we looked ill prepared for and fell down by 17+. The comeback was commendable but unfortunately the hole was too big.

 

MLF is obviously quite safe but he's well on his way to establishing a Marty Schottenheimer type reputation of being a guy who rides great regular seasons and then gets outcoached when the stakes are highest.

[HiAndTight]

We can be favored by 2 touchdowns in next years NFCCG and I'll still fully believe we'll find a way to choke until we actually reach a Super Bowl. It's become synonymous with Packer football and Wisconsin sports in general. I let myself believe today that this was our turn -- that we would finally get it done and none of the past mattered. I truly believed we would win.

 

I won't believe again. They let us down -- again.

 

 

I thought they could...but when it was Tampa, I was about 50/50 they'd blow it.

 

I mean...with the young stars on this team or stars in their prime, I could find a way to spin this and talk about how they should be just as good next year...but who the hell cares? They just blew a chance at a SB.

 

And despite all the mistakes, if Bahk doesn't suffer a fluke, freak injury, we almost CERTAINLY win today as Rodgers would have had much more time to carve up that weak, depleted secondary.

 

 

But of course, things were going too well. Of course Bahk had to snap his ACL.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

We're not headed to cap hell and I don't blame Rodgers for anything. I think he wants to go somewhere else and I think the Packers are tired of paying one position so much money.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

We can be favored by 2 touchdowns in next years NFCCG and I'll still fully believe we'll find a way to choke until we actually reach a Super Bowl. It's become synonymous with Packer football and Wisconsin sports in general. I let myself believe today that this was our turn -- that we would finally get it done and none of the past mattered. I truly believed we would win.

 

I won't believe again. They let us down -- again.

 

With you. I think this is how many feel. I'll never buy into how this team "looks" again unless it's a completely turned over group of people. They deserve the reputation they have now. Today was inexcusable. It's the catastrophic failure I said it would be if they didn't win the NFC.

[nodakfan17]

They are currently $28 million over the cap. They used any wiggle room they had to sign a soon-to-be 30-year old tackle with a torn ACL. The term ‘hell’ may be a bit of hyperbole, but this won’t be a walk in the park.

[HarveysWBs]

MLF is obviously quite safe but he's well on his way to establishing a Marty Schottenheimer type reputation of being a guy who rides great regular seasons and then gets outcoached when the stakes are highest.

 

I think it is fascinating that every branch of the much-ballyhooed Shanahan coaching tree is basically a paper tiger. They have tons of regular season wins and no championships. They’re like a bunch of mini pre-2019 Andy Reid’s.

[HiAndTight]

Arians massively outcoached MLF today. I was praying they would punt before half but told my buddies I didn't think they had anything to lose by going for it and after a timeout Arians thought better of it too. Turned out, they had 7 points to gain.

 

Passing the ball on 1st and 10 with 2:02 was also brilliant because the 2 minute warning will hit after the play regardless of the play outcome and our defense was unsurprisingly anticipating run and not ready.

 

Trusting Mike Pettine's defense to make a stop with everything at stake over trusting Aaron Rodgers to get 8 yards on one play and then a 2 was an egregiously terrible move. At that point I don't think many people realistically thought we'd get another chance and even if we did we still needed a TD. Just a horrible, horrible move.

 

The playcalling sucked and it's yet another NFCCG that we looked ill prepared for and fell down by 17+. The comeback was commendable but unfortunately the hole was too big.

 

MLF is obviously quite safe but he's well on his way to establishing a Marty Schottenheimer type reputation of being a guy who rides great regular seasons and then gets outcoached when the stakes are highest.

 

 

To be fair...that's a really low bar. MLF...who I really like as the Packers head coach, had one of the worst games I've ever seen from a head coach.

 

I'd also like to add, I was amazed how many times we went 5 wide despite the fact that our tackles were getting beaten BADLY. Mercedes Lewis should have been in there to help out a LOT today.

 

Very little pre-snap movement. But those are things you can overcome. But the FG...the guy just choked there.

 

I think it's premature to say he's got a reputation for it since we were just so badly outmatched last year vs the 49'ers, but he's got one on his resume that's really-really ugly right now. 3-2 in the post-season, 26-6 in the regular, but aside from the offensive calls he makes, he takes ownership of Pettine's mistakes. He's the one who brought him back.

 

 

You need a young HC who's aggressive and maybe a little more inspiring. This defense has a lot of talent and they should just keep getting better. Jaire, Savage, Gary, Clark, Martin, Barnes. I don't think any of them are older than..24-25. Amos, Za'Darius, Preston(maybe...if he restructures...otherwise you're only saving ~6-7 million when you consider you need to replace him and he's got 8 million in dead space...and of course when you stop dropping him 20 yards, he's still a pretty good player).

 

 

But these things can kinda snowball. IIRC, Shotenhiemer's first blown game was on that Ernest Byner fumble. I think he had another on the Elway drive. So after a couple of fluke things, then he started to tighten up. I really hope this is a one off for LaFleur...because I love his scheme and think it's going to be incredible if they can add another dynamic weapon with a little more wiggle and acceleration.

[HiAndTight]

MLF is obviously quite safe but he's well on his way to establishing a Marty Schottenheimer type reputation of being a guy who rides great regular seasons and then gets outcoached when the stakes are highest.

 

I think it is fascinating that every branch of the much-ballyhooed Shanahan coaching tree is basically a paper tiger. They have tons of regular season wins and no championships. They’re like a bunch of mini pre-2019 Andy Reid’s.

 

 

Did Norv Turner come from that tree?

[PinaMadness]

We can be favored by 2 touchdowns in next years NFCCG and I'll still fully believe we'll find a way to choke until we actually reach a Super Bowl. It's become synonymous with Packer football and Wisconsin sports in general. I let myself believe today that this was our turn -- that we would finally get it done and none of the past mattered. I truly believed we would win.

 

I won't believe again. They let us down -- again.

 

 

I thought they could...but when it was Tampa, I was about 50/50 they'd blow it.

 

I mean...with the young stars on this team or stars in their prime, I could find a way to spin this and talk about how they should be just as good next year...but who the hell cares? They just blew a chance at a SB.

 

And despite all the mistakes, if Bahk doesn't suffer a fluke, freak injury, we almost CERTAINLY win today as Rodgers would have had much more time to carve up that weak, depleted secondary.

 

 

But of course, things were going too well. Of course Bahk had to snap his ACL.

This was my biggest fear going into the postseason. I knew this would come back to haunt us eventually.

[TURBO]

It was a hard fought game, someone was going to go home...You can make all the excuses you want, but in the end, the scoreboard tells the tale.

 

I'm not sure how the Bucs will fair in the Super Bowl against KC or Buffalo to be honest. KC beat the crap out of us during the season, so I'm finding myself rooting for the Bills.

 

Better luck next year Packer fans!