Any real talk or Rumors for the Crew

[PeaveyFury]

Nate is right- the Brewers leak nothing about their stuff. This is Tom obtaining a quote that he can put out that is as non-committal and vague as possible to fill space in a reporting dead-zone.

[DR28]

 

I wonder how many bargain bin deals this would mean

 

Doesn't really say anything though Haudricourt isn't really the best source for Brewers rumors or speculations. He hardly ever breaks anything concerning the Brewers actually I can't remember when Tom was the first to report anything on the Brewers that wasn't just a press release for the Brewers. The Brewers have actually become even more tight lipped in terms of information on who they are going after.

 

Cain, Grandal, and Yelich being the prime examples of very little to nothing was heard about the Brewers pursuing these players until they were just about to sign. I did find it interesting that a team was looking at Semien to play 3B I think that was the Brewers. The Brewers are not going to be in on Bauer or the other top tier free agents but Joc Pederson has been linked to the Brewers and I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Profar, La Stella and others at some become linked to the Brewers. I think the Brewers are going to get a bargain on a starting pitcher on someone like Tanaka, Quintana or Odorizzi not sexy names in free agency but definitely guys that could be had on a bargain <$10m a year.

 

Tanaka said its Yankees or back to Japan.

 

And Odorizzi is said to be looking for a 3 yr deal.

 

Honestly, I dont see us signing any of low high to middle tier pitchers... IF we sign a pitcher it will be lowest tier, Brett Anderson type pitcher.

[sveumrules]

Tanaka said its Yankees or back to Japan.

 

And Odorizzi is said to be looking for a 3 yr deal.

 

Honestly, I dont see us signing any of low high to middle tier pitchers... IF we sign a pitcher it will be lowest tier, Brett Anderson type pitcher.

 

Brett Anderson got a guaranteed major league deal, that is not the lowest tier.

 

The lowest tier would be a minor league deal, like we signed Wade Miley to prior to the 2018 season.

[Eye Black]

Regarding the new Stearns quote from Haudricourt linked above: He said he is "actively engaged in conversations on a variety of fronts. I expect some of them will ultimately come to fruition although predicting the timing is always difficult."

 

I think historically Stearns has actually been truthful when it comes to whether or not he has anything in the works. They've done a great job of not leaking the specifics of what they're working on, but he has at times indicated trade dialogue either is or isn't taking place behind the scenes. Last month he said, "I don't think we're on the doorstep of anything". In previous off-seasons he's used similar terminology at various times, while usually adding something about "productive conversations" that could set the table for something later on. This time he seems to be indicating something is presumably closer to happening.

[brewmann04]

Garrett Anderson? and or at this point take T Walker for the Rotation.

[nate82]

 

Tanaka said its Yankees or back to Japan.

 

And Odorizzi is said to be looking for a 3 yr deal.

 

Honestly, I dont see us signing any of low high to middle tier pitchers... IF we sign a pitcher it will be lowest tier, Brett Anderson type pitcher.

 

Tanaka did not say this he actually clarified he is not limiting it to just the Yankees.

https://www.mlb.com/news/masahiro-tanaka-rumors

 

Odorizzi maybe looking for a 3-year deal but I doubt he gets it.

 

Also Anderson wouldn't be the lowest tier type of a pitcher he would be in the middle tier of pitchers.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Garrett Anderson? and or at this point take T Walker for the Rotation.

 

Garret Anderson spent the majority of his career in left field. And he's 48 years old.

[wntrtxn21]

Garrett Anderson? and or at this point take T Walker for the Rotation.

 

Are you meaning Garrett Richards? Huge injury risk since he's missed most of 2016-2017-2018-2019 with injuries and recovery issues. Maybe a small non-guaranteed contract, but nothing more IMO.

[wallus]

Garrett Anderson? and or at this point take T Walker for the Rotation.

 

Garret Anderson spent the majority of his career in left field. And he's 48 years old.

 

I laughed at this so thank you.

[narwhalattack]

Garrett Anderson? and or at this point take T Walker for the Rotation.

 

Are you meaning Garrett Richards? Huge injury risk since he's missed most of 2016-2017-2018-2019 with injuries and recovery issues. Maybe a small non-guaranteed contract, but nothing more IMO.

 

Sounds like our kind of signing.

[MNBrew]

I really liked Garrett Anderson back at the time. I hope they don't sign him now.

[MNBrew]

 

I wonder how many bargain bin deals this would mean

 

Doesn't really say anything though Haudricourt isn't really the best source for Brewers rumors or speculations. He hardly ever breaks anything concerning the Brewers actually I can't remember when Tom was the first to report anything on the Brewers that wasn't just a press release for the Brewers. The Brewers have actually become even more tight lipped in terms of information on who they are going after....

So many people love to rip thoughtlessly on Haudricourt. It's tired at minimum, cheap at best. I doubt if any of us were in TH's shoes, we'd be privy to any more info we could report that he doesn't. Beat writers also get some off-the-record info but they'd be foolish to put it out there -- yeah, they'd get props at first for leaking it, but they'd screw themselves out of future scoops (and really the chances to do their job in the way they'd most want to) because they broke their sources' trust. It's a balancing act that requires intelligence and respect.

 

It's pretty obvious the national writers that break stuff have sources that are more often connected to agents and other angles that many local beat writers don't.

 

The WI sports writers still end up breaking fewer big Packers scoops than Mortensen, Schefter, and other national guys. Why are Packers beat writers above criticism?

 

Stearns' comments today seem pretty encouraging. He's usually pretty honest in his overall characterizations of off-season activity. And he's equally adept at not compromising his bargaining leverage or breaking tampering rules.

[nate82]

So many people love to rip thoughtlessly on Haudricourt. I doubt if any of us were in TH's shoes, we'd be privy to any more info we could report that he doesn't. Beat writers also get some off-the-record info but they'd be foolish to put it out there -- yeah, they'd get props at first for leaking it, but they'd screw themselves out of future scoops (and really the chances to do their job in the way they'd most want to) because they broke their sources' trust. It's a balancing act that requires intelligence and respect.

 

It's pretty obvious the national writers that break stuff have sources that are more often connected to agents and other angles that many local beat writers don't.

 

 

That is why I said Haudricourt isn't a good source for rumors or speculations he won't be breaking things like that. He is basically a press release guy for the Brewers. Haudricourt gets ripped thoughtlessly because he is kind of a donkey at times when he interacts with fans even ones that ask legit questions to him.

[MNBrew]

So many people love to rip thoughtlessly on Haudricourt. I doubt if any of us were in TH's shoes, we'd be privy to any more info we could report that he doesn't. Beat writers also get some off-the-record info but they'd be foolish to put it out there -- yeah, they'd get props at first for leaking it, but they'd screw themselves out of future scoops (and really the chances to do their job in the way they'd most want to) because they broke their sources' trust. It's a balancing act that requires intelligence and respect.

 

It's pretty obvious the national writers that break stuff have sources that are more often connected to agents and other angles that many local beat writers don't.

 

 

That is why I said Haudricourt isn't a good source for rumors or speculations he won't be breaking things like that. He is basically a press release guy for the Brewers. Haudricourt gets ripped thoughtlessly because he is kind of a donkey at times when he interacts with fans even ones that ask legit questions to him.

Personality is a different issue than the limitations facing many beat writers & I'm not defending his personality. But he reports what he can. My point was that too many people rip how he does his job because they're jaded by his personality issues/clashes and they blur the two things that are separate.

[MrTPlush]

Tom Haudricourt sucks at more than just breaking rumors. Just my opinion, but I think he just flat out sucks at his job. Reporting on the Brewers in Milwaukee isn’t the best gig for reporting...but I never see people complain about someone like Adam McCalvy.

[brewmann04]

I guess people are allowed their Opinions especially the ones that are not even in the Business.

[brewmann04]

Yes made a mistake with the Guys last name sorry but glad everyone got a chuckle and still knows who i meant and that the type of arm they usually add.

[mtrebs]

Tom Haudricourt sucks at more than just breaking rumors. Just my opinion, but I think he just flat out sucks at his job. Reporting on the Brewers in Milwaukee isn’t the best gig for reporting...but I never see people complain about someone like Adam McCalvy.

 

Alienating half of your followers by pushing politics when you are a sports writer will do that.

[DHonks]

Tom Haudricourt sucks at more than just breaking rumors. Just my opinion, but I think he just flat out sucks at his job. Reporting on the Brewers in Milwaukee isn’t the best gig for reporting...but I never see people complain about someone like Adam McCalvy.

 

I've heard players off the record complain about him.

 

I've never complained about either. If you look at both sites, they write virtually the same articles each day. Neither is better or worse than the other. McCalvy does fan mailbags which might reveal some nuggets, but they also present speculation. Haudricourt treats his job more as a journalist...that means not publishing unsubstantiated things, not giving opinions, etc. In this modern age, the general public is having their appetites fed by rumor mongering and speculation, not actual journalists reporting news. That's true in both sports and general (especially political news, where more people trust social media and forwarded email lies rather than truth). Let's be honest, Haudricourt is a good journalist, but bad a rumor mongering, speculation, and breaking news.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Tom Haudricourt sucks at more than just breaking rumors. Just my opinion, but I think he just flat out sucks at his job. Reporting on the Brewers in Milwaukee isn’t the best gig for reporting...but I never see people complain about someone like Adam McCalvy.

 

I've heard players off the record complain about him.

 

I've never complained about either. If you look at both sites, they write virtually the same articles each day. Neither is better or worse than the other. McCalvy does fan mailbags which might reveal some nuggets, but they also present speculation. Haudricourt treats his job more as a journalist...that means not publishing unsubstantiated things, not giving opinions, etc. In this modern age, the general public is having their appetites fed by rumor mongering and speculation, not actual journalists reporting news. That's true in both sports and general (especially political news, where more people trust social media and forwarded email lies rather than truth). Let's be honest, Haudricourt is a good journalist, but bad a rumor mongering, speculation, and breaking news.

 

Yep, his gamers and player/organization features are fine, and often good. I think a lot of people are basing their thoughts on him off of his Twitter persona. He's a curmudgeon, but then, a lot of baseball beat guys are like that.

 

You are correct ... he doesn't go into rumors and rarely gives opinions on the team, which I actually appreciate. A beat writer shouldn't be giving his opinions on the team.

[DHonks]

I don't know about most on here, but I grew up loving Sportscenter in the 90s. There was almost no analysis, speculation, etc. It was presented by two anchors presenting the sports news. It was a highlight show. As time went on, these shows became dominated by analysis and speculation led by former players insiders that break news.

[MNBrew]

I don't know about most on here, but I grew up loving Sportscenter in the 90s. There was almost no analysis, speculation, etc. It was presented by two anchors presenting the sports news. It was a highlight show. As time went on, these shows became dominated by analysis and speculation led by former players insiders that break news.

This could describe the evolution of media coverage in general, not just sports. Things were different when there wasn't such incessant 24-hour news & sports coverage.

 

Another major sea change came about when ESPN (or was it the NBA?) decided to market the individual players instead of the teams -- sad timing with the shift across the '90s into that much more of a "me first" society, which got into way too many players' heads in many sports that they were more important than their team (one could argue that it started a decade earlier when record labels went after lead singers of successful bands to break away into solo careers).

 

.... Not to sound like a total curmudgeon here, but I'm at least old enough to notice the interconnectedness of these shifts. Some of the shifts have borne very positive & fan-friendly results (availability of news, scoops, & forums where folks like us can dive headlong into our favorite team). But there are down sides within it all, too.

 

And... to loop it back to the topic at hand, I'm so glad we're getting into the heart of January because there are tons of unsigned FAs & the Brewers have some distinct needs, so I'm very eagerly anticipating some Brewers good news in the coming weeks. The lack of it up to now is akin to fasting while trying to peer through the grocery store windows.

[DHonks]

I don't know about most on here, but I grew up loving Sportscenter in the 90s. There was almost no analysis, speculation, etc. It was presented by two anchors presenting the sports news. It was a highlight show. As time went on, these shows became dominated by analysis and speculation led by former players insiders that break news.

This could describe the evolution of media coverage in general, not just sports. Things were different when there wasn't such incessant 24-hour news & sports coverage.

 

Another major sea change came about when ESPN (or was it the NBA?) decided to market the individual players instead of the teams -- sad timing with the shift across the '90s into that much more of a "me first" society, which got into way too many players' heads in many sports that they were more important than their team (one could argue that it started a decade earlier when record labels went after lead singers of successful bands to break away into solo careers).

 

.... Not to sound like a total curmudgeon here, but I'm at least old enough to notice the interconnectedness of these shifts. Some of the shifts have borne very positive & fan-friendly results (availability of news, scoops, & forums where folks like us can dive headlong into our favorite team). But there are down sides within it all, too.

 

And... to loop it back to the topic at hand, I'm so glad we're getting into the heart of January because there are tons of unsigned FAs & the Brewers have some distinct needs, so I'm very eagerly anticipating some Brewers good news in the coming weeks. The lack of it up to now is akin to fasting while trying to peer through the grocery store windows.

 

back to my point, Haudricourt is a fine journalist. Many fans want him to be something else

[brewmann04]

Totally agree about Tom and Rumors

[MNBrew]

Back to my point, Haudricourt is a fine journalist. Many fans want him to be something else.

That's a much more direct way of making the point. Thanks. I agree and still took a tangent.