Blake Snell to Padres

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Man are the Padres stacked or what. And they were able to keep the top couple of guys in their minor league system in Gore, Abrams and Campusano. Maybe they get really nuts and trade for Hader now.

 

Better yet ... get the Dodgers and Padres in a bidding war for Hader. Don't know if the Padres would be willing to part with Gore or Abrams, but one of those would be my targets.

 

If Gore didn't go in a package for Snell, he's not coming in a package for Hader..............imo

 

Probably not, but I can dream LOL. The Padres have a ton of nice pieces, so I'm sure something could be worked out if the Padres coveted Hader. He does make a lot of sense for them as a team that is obviously "going for it" and is hurting in the pen.

[homer]

The Padres have basically their whole team locked up through 2022 and many of them through 2023. It makes sense they'd give up the farm to get a #1 guy like Snell.

[Simba2020]

Supposedly they still want Darvish too. I guess if you are going to go all in, you might as well really do it. Almost have to in order to compete with the Dodgers.

[Eye Black]

It makes sense they'd give up the farm to get a #1 guy like Snell.

I’m jealous of the fact the Padres can acquire a player of this magnitude and for them the phrase “give up the farm” has a very different meaning than it would for many clubs. Even after this trade the Padres are still likely to have a consensus top ten farm system in baseball.

[homer]

It makes sense they'd give up the farm to get a #1 guy like Snell.

I’m jealous of the fact the Padres can acquire a player of this magnitude and for them the phrase “give up the farm” has a very different meaning than it would for many clubs. Even after this trade the Padres are still likely to have a consensus top ten farm system in baseball.

 

And they can probably just flip a few guys after this year and restock if need be.

[DR28]

[sarcasm]I feel like the Padres have went "all-in" before.[/sarcasm]

[Eye Black]

[sarcasm]I feel like the Padres have went "all-in" before.[/sarcasm]

They did, but to AJ Preller's credit he recognized it was failure very quickly, and went full steam into the rebuild the following year. They flipped any positive performing players that remained among the carnage to help build/boost their farm system. Of course they also got a little lucky in turning the free agent signing of James Shields (4-year deal) into Fernando Tatis, Jr. just 1.5 years into Shields' deal.

 

I will also credit Preller, when he sets his sights on acquiring a player he is seemingly relentless in his pursuit. There are reports he was the one that continued to reach out to the Brewers specifically inquiring about Trent Grisham for quite some time leading up to when the actual trade occurred.

[Eye Black]

Supposedly they still want Darvish too. I guess if you are going to go all in, you might as well really do it. Almost have to in order to compete with the Dodgers.

Dennis Lin reporting the Padres are now "deep into talks to acquire Yu Darvish".

[JosephC]

It makes sense they'd give up the farm to get a #1 guy like Snell.

I’m jealous of the fact the Padres can acquire a player of this magnitude and for them the phrase “give up the farm” has a very different meaning than it would for many clubs. Even after this trade the Padres are still likely to have a consensus top ten farm system in baseball.

 

I'm jealous that the Padres can give Wil Myer an 83 million dollar deal. Then they can give Eric Hosmer a 144 million dollar deal. Then they can give Manny Machado a 300 million dollar deal. Snell is cheap for what he brings (averages 13 million per season over the next three years), but if Darvish is tacked onto that it will represent another 30+ million on the Padres 2021 payroll.

 

San Diego is the 28th largest television market in the USA (4th smallest in MLB) and their home park is just a few years younger than the Brewer's home park.

 

Meanwhile as Brewer fans we sit and wonder if Attanasio can make big times investments like giving Gyorko a 3 million dollar deal. Anybody else get the feeling that Attanasio has positioned himself where he can just sit back for the next few seasons and point at the Yelich contract and say "look at all the money I spent" while running the player payroll at the same level it was at in 2014?

[DR28]

Wow....... Darvish deal could be expanded to include one of Willson Contreras or Victor Caratini.

[wibadgers23]

Isn’t San Diego a small market team just like the Brewers? Where are they getting all this money?

[sveumrules]

Isn’t San Diego a small market team just like the Brewers? Where are they getting all this money?

 

San Diego has a 20 year TV contract that "is valued in the range of $1.2 billion to $1.5 billion, putting average annual payments to the Padres in the $50 million to $75 million range. The Padres also received a 20% equity share in FSSD."

 

The Brewers TV contract is currently expired & up for renewal, I believe.

[brewcrewdue80]

Isn’t San Diego a small market team just like the Brewers? Where are they getting all this money?

Probably built in to the next covid package that is about to be passed.

[wibadgers23]

So how come a team like the Padres can get such an incredible deal on their TV contact and the Brewers can’t? Is it mainly based on market size? Does Milwaukee’s close proximity to Chicago hurt? If that were the case, San Diego is less than two hours from Los Angeles so why wouldn’t it hurt them?

[homer]

How much more will the Padres spend than the Brewers spent in 2019?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/payroll/

[sveumrules]

So how come a team like the Padres can get such an incredible deal on their TV contact and the Brewers can’t? Is it mainly based on market size? Does Milwaukee’s close proximity to Chicago hurt? If that were the case, San Diego is less than two hours from Los Angeles so why wouldn’t it hurt them?

 

That's a good question. I'd imagine it's a lot of the same factors at play that have the average home in SD valued around 700k vs 150k for Milwaukee. It's just two completely different economies.

 

The Padres principal owner also has a net worth around 3 billion compared to "only" like 700 million for Mark A, for whatever that is or isn't worth.

[monty57]

So how come a team like the Padres can get such an incredible deal on their TV contact and the Brewers can’t? Is it mainly based on market size? Does Milwaukee’s close proximity to Chicago hurt? If that were the case, San Diego is less than two hours from Los Angeles so why wouldn’t it hurt them?

 

San Diego's population is 1,447,100 million (Metro area 3,379,160), and the average household income in San Diego is $103,655 with a poverty rate of 13.80%.

 

Milwaukee's population is 588,265 (Metro area 1.57 million) with an average household income of $55,556 and a poverty rate of 26.65%

 

Source: World Population Review, 2020 stats.

[Fear The Chorizo]

The Padres also generate revenue from quite a few downtown developments they are part of around Petco, and that is expanding - I believe that includes both residential and commercial developments that can provide revenue streams no matter how many fans can go to ballgames...conversely, the Brewers have a nice large parking lot for tailgaiting.

 

And despite all the recent spending by the Padres, they spent many years not spending in terms of payroll that led to prospect hoarding - so now they still have a bunch of quality players on their roster making pre-arbitration salaries that keeps their payroll from getting anywhere close to the luxury tax threshold true large market teams consistently operate at.

[Eye Black]

I wonder if it also helps the Padres that there isn't an NBA team to compete against when it comes to advertising inventory. If the primary point of paying to broadcast a team's product is the advertising rights, then it likely helps that they sort of have the San Diego professional sports market cornered.

[wallus]

Isn’t San Diego a small market team just like the Brewers? Where are they getting all this money?

 

Wisconsin frugalness comes into play as well. When "diehards" aren't willing to pony up to watch them on TV, that is lost revenue for the team. I mean no disrespect with that comment by the way.... everyone is allowed to spend their money how they wish.

[monty57]

The Padres also generate revenue from quite a few downtown developments they are part of around Petco, and that is expanding - I believe that includes both residential and commercial developments that can provide revenue streams no matter how many fans can go to ballgames...conversely, the Brewers have a nice large parking lot for tailgaiting.

 

And despite all the recent spending by the Padres, they spent many years not spending in terms of payroll that led to prospect hoarding - so now they still have a bunch of quality players on their roster making pre-arbitration salaries that keeps their payroll from getting anywhere close to the luxury tax threshold true large market teams consistently operate at.

 

With the addition of Snell, Cots has them at a projected $139,840,000 payroll. They'll have nine players who could hit arby in 2022, when Davies & Pham ($17M combined) become free agents, and another seven who could hit arby in 2023 when Clevinger ($8M) is a FA and they hold an option on Myers, who makes $22,500,000 in 2021, so they could see $29.5M fall off the books. Snell ($16.6M) and Pomeranz ($10M) are FAs after 2022.

 

Hosmer drops from $21M to $13M after 2022, and Machado drops from $34M to $30M after 2023, so they aren't strapped with long-term deals, and should have some money to offer Tatis an extension, as he would be a FA after 2024.

 

Having a lot of pre-arby guys makes up for having some big contracts on the roster. With their system, they should still have a lot of good prospects coming up to keep a steady stream of quality pre-arby talent on the roster for years. Plus, they could always trade away some of their surplus MLB talent for more young talent should they see the need. They seem to be in a pretty good position to be good for quite a while.

[djoctagone]

Isn’t San Diego a small market team just like the Brewers?

san diego is the eighth largest city in the nation.

[JosephC]

So how come a team like the Padres can get such an incredible deal on their TV contact and the Brewers can’t? Is it mainly based on market size? Does Milwaukee’s close proximity to Chicago hurt? If that were the case, San Diego is less than two hours from Los Angeles so why wouldn’t it hurt them?

 

San Diego's population is 1,447,100 million (Metro area 3,379,160), and the average household income in San Diego is $103,655 with a poverty rate of 13.80%.

 

Milwaukee's population is 588,265 (Metro area 1.57 million) with an average household income of $55,556 and a poverty rate of 26.65%

 

Source: World Population Review, 2020 stats.

 

The first thing that the governor and the mayor will say when Attanasio comes with his hand out is that "Milwaukee is a major league city." With the numbers you just posted, I don't think Milwaukee is a major league city when considering the financial model that major league baseball works under.

[Brewers Numbers]

The Padres also generate revenue from quite a few downtown developments they are part of around Petco, and that is expanding - I believe that includes both residential and commercial developments that can provide revenue streams no matter how many fans can go to ballgames...conversely, the Brewers have a nice large parking lot for tailgaiting.

 

And despite all the recent spending by the Padres, they spent many years not spending in terms of payroll that led to prospect hoarding - so now they still have a bunch of quality players on their roster making pre-arbitration salaries that keeps their payroll from getting anywhere close to the luxury tax threshold true large market teams consistently operate at.

Hard to do this where Miller Park is located.

[Brewers Numbers]

The Padres also generate revenue from quite a few downtown developments they are part of around Petco, and that is expanding - I believe that includes both residential and commercial developments that can provide revenue streams no matter how many fans can go to ballgames...conversely, the Brewers have a nice large parking lot for tailgaiting.

 

And despite all the recent spending by the Padres, they spent many years not spending in terms of payroll that led to prospect hoarding - so now they still have a bunch of quality players on their roster making pre-arbitration salaries that keeps their payroll from getting anywhere close to the luxury tax threshold true large market teams consistently operate at.

 

With the addition of Snell, Cots has them at a projected $139,840,000 payroll. They'll have nine players who could hit arby in 2022, when Davies & Pham ($17M combined) become free agents, and another seven who could hit arby in 2023 when Clevinger ($8M) is a FA and they hold an option on Myers, who makes $22,500,000 in 2021, so they could see $29.5M fall off the books. Snell ($16.6M) and Pomeranz ($10M) are FAs after 2022.

 

Hosmer drops from $21M to $13M after 2022, and Machado drops from $34M to $30M after 2023, so they aren't strapped with long-term deals, and should have some money to offer Tatis an extension, as he would be a FA after 2024.

 

Having a lot of pre-arby guys makes up for having some big contracts on the roster. With their system, they should still have a lot of good prospects coming up to keep a steady stream of quality pre-arby talent on the roster for years. Plus, they could always trade away some of their surplus MLB talent for more young talent should they see the need. They seem to be in a pretty good position to be good for quite a while.

 

Sounds like Davies is going to the Cubs in the Darvish trade.