Bucks 2020-2021 season thread

[DuWayne Steurer]

That's a wrap on this series, fellas. This was our road game to steal and we predictably choked it away.

 

 

Either way, they had to/have to win one in Jersey. Durant isn't coming out and scoring 50 again in game 7 (if it gets there)

 

I mean, he might, but Jeff Green isn't going to shoot 7 of 8 from three again.

[adambr2]

That's a wrap on this series, fellas. This was our road game to steal and we predictably choked it away.

 

 

Either way, they had to/have to win one in Jersey. Durant isn't coming out and scoring 50 again in game 7 (if it gets there)

 

I mean, he might, but Jeff Green isn't going to shoot 7 of 8 from three again.

 

I think they might win Game 6 and I honestly don't really care because they'll find a way to lose Game 7.

[lcbj68c]

That's a wrap on this series, fellas. This was our road game to steal and we predictably choked it away.

 

 

Either way, they had to/have to win one in Jersey. Durant isn't coming out and scoring 50 again in game 7 (if it gets there)

 

I mean, he might, but Jeff Green isn't going to shoot 7 of 8 from three again.

 

 

Same old story...."XYZ won't shoot that from three". Fred Van Vleet, Jeff Green, Betty White; doesn't matter. When you slough off, they are pros and are going to hit. Durant will get his. Great defense in the first half, then they completely dropped the intensity and welp, outcome became predictable.

[nate82]

Giannis hasn’t helped his case for those that say he’s overrated. We can say Bud isn’t a playoff coach but it doesn’t look like Giannis is a playoff player either.

 

Giannis is a lot of great things but when it comes to big players in big moments he can't hold Durant's jock.

 

Durant is probably the greatest scorer since Kobe and Jordan. Not many are as good as Durant is. Basically it is Durant then a grand canyon wide gap between the next closest player.

 

Giannis is just a low IQ basketball player. He hasn't improved his basketball IQ at all since he has come into the league actually I think he has gotten worse year after year. There were a few times he is just running to the basket and not posting up players that are about half his height. It is like he has forgotten everything he worked on with Garnett from a few years ago.

[reillymcshane]

I never watched the game. Could someone give me a short 'this is why we lost' spiel.

 

Saw we were up early, but then tune in late game almost over. Ugh.

[nate82]

Basically the Bucks played offense like a rec league team putting up bad shot after bad shot and Durant went off.

[FVBrewerFan]

I never watched the game. Could someone give me a short 'this is why we lost' spiel.

 

Saw we were up early, but then tune in late game almost over. Ugh.

 

Bucks moved the ball in 1st half, ISO and panic ball in the 2nd half.

 

Durant > Giannis

 

Jeff Green destroyed Lopez entire game from 3, no adjustment made.

[DuWayne Steurer]

That's a wrap on this series, fellas. This was our road game to steal and we predictably choked it away.

 

 

Either way, they had to/have to win one in Jersey. Durant isn't coming out and scoring 50 again in game 7 (if it gets there)

 

I mean, he might, but Jeff Green isn't going to shoot 7 of 8 from three again.

 

 

Same old story...."XYZ won't shoot that from three". Fred Van Vleet, Jeff Green, Betty White; doesn't matter. When you slough off, they are pros and are going to hit. Durant will get his. Great defense in the first half, then they completely dropped the intensity and welp, outcome became predictable.

 

I know you only show up after losses to complain about the 3P defense, but going 7/8 from 3 is absurd, and the last 3 durant made was an off balance circus shot with Middleton right in his face at the shot clock.

 

Stuff happens. If you predict that Green (or anyone) will go 7/8 again in support of Durant, I'd take the under 99 times out of 100

[DuWayne Steurer]

 

Durant is probably the greatest scorer since Kobe and Jordan. Not many are as good as Durant is. Basically it is Durant then a grand canyon wide gap between the next closest player.

 

Giannis is just a low IQ basketball player. He hasn't improved his basketball IQ at all since he has come into the league actually I think he has gotten worse year after year. There were a few times he is just running to the basket and not posting up players that are about half his height. It is like he has forgotten everything he worked on with Garnett from a few years ago.

 

Durant catches a lot of grief for chasing rings on Super Teams (which he should), but he is legitimately a top 10 player. He can score from anywhere with or without the ball, practically at will.

 

I'm not sure what to say about Giannis. He's definitely a "superstar" in every sense of the word, but I do think he has relied too much on his athleticism, and all the talk of "improving his game" is just talk. Does he hit the weights and crush his cardio? Most likely. I just don't think this work he says he's putting in is translating to making him a better overall player. I mean, if "all" he was was an unbelievably great post player with the length and athleticism to run a full court transition, and be a pretty good passer he'd still be a superstar, but there's too many times he's taking the ball to the top of the key and either just waiting for someone to come open, because he's not really a creator from that position, or just trying to crash through defenders and hoping his size and athleticism will get him through. Teams know what he's about now, and that bull in a china shop approach just doesn't work in half court. He's gotta learn and grow and see what his weaknesses are, and what we see.. it doesn't seem like that's the case.

[adambr2]

For my part I don't necessarily predict or not predict anything specific happening in Game 7 if there is one. I would predict gamewise that it is either a blowout in favor of the Nets or close, and if it close I expect to make less plays than the Nets down the stretch and find a way to lose. There are a lot of ways for that to happen without Durant scoring 50 or Green going 7 for 8 from 3.

 

The Nets are just a better and frankly more cohesive unit than us which is kind of shocking given that our core has been together for years and theirs has been together for about 5 minutes.

 

We've actually been lucky, significant chunks of time missed by Harden and Irving is the only reason this series is still going and we still haven't been able to take advantage.

[adambr2]

Charles refers to the Bucks as the dumbest team in the NBA.

 

https://clutchpoints.com/bucks-news-charles-barkley-brutal-assessment-of-milwaukee-will-make-giannis-antetokounmpo-happy-and-sad-at-the-same-time/

[DuWayne Steurer]

Charles refers to the Bucks as the dumbest team in the NBA.

 

https://clutchpoints.com/bucks-news-charles-barkley-brutal-assessment-of-milwaukee-will-make-giannis-antetokounmpo-happy-and-sad-at-the-same-time/

 

He's definitely right about the 2nd part.

 

Durant had a great night. Make no mistake. You almost can't defend that. he shot lights out. It just shouldn't have mattered. The Bucks got pressed, and stopped running inside offense. They weren't even working for open jumpers, they just started taking contested shots after one (or zero) passes. Just like games 1-2-3. Not much to figure out, which is honestly, kinda dumb.

[owbc]

This one I just chalk up to Durant going into beast mode. The Bucks played well overall, same issues as usual of course but we know what this team is and isn’t.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Giannis isn't overrated, he's just exactly what he is, a dominant post player, but we have him bringing the ball up, randomly shooting 3s and he's taking fadeaway jumpers in crunch time. Did you see Shaq do that? Patrick Ewing?

 

Giannis fine. He needs to be better at the line, but he is not a do-everything player, and the Bucks need a scheme that concedes that. His biggest problem right now is that you can't run your offense through him during foul fest, which is a problem, but this "overrated" stuff is just a result of a scheme that constantly puts him in stupid situations. He does a lot of dumb things, yes, but they've got to stop pretending he's KD. He's not.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

That's a wrap on this series, fellas. This was our road game to steal and we predictably choked it away.

 

Yeah I tend to agree. This was the gift and we choked. Like every team from this state for 10 years.

[GAME05]

They Wisconsin'd it.

[nodakfan17]

I checked the score before I went to bed and thought I’d be waking up to a different outcome. Very sad.

[adamb100]

That's a wrap on this series, fellas. This was our road game to steal and we predictably choked it away.

 

 

Either way, they had to/have to win one in Jersey. Durant isn't coming out and scoring 50 again in game 7 (if it gets there)

 

I mean, he might, but Jeff Green isn't going to shoot 7 of 8 from three again.

 

The problem there is Harden is only going to get better as he continues to recover. He probably won’t go scoreless in the first half again. This was the Bucks best chance to win one on the road.

[homer]

It was over when the Nets were up 2 - 0

It was over when the Bucks tied it up

Now it's over again after Durant has an all time playoff performance.

 

[stoutdude04]

They probably should have made Harden play defense. I remember one play clearly where Harden just stood at the elbow the entire time. I mean, that is on Bud.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It was over when the Nets were up 2 - 0

It was over when the Bucks tied it up

Now it's over again after Durant has an all time playoff performance.

 

 

I would actually believe the Bucks could win this series if I had an ounce of faith in Bud making any obvious adjustment to exploit the matchup. It is very telling when you're up 16 at halftime and the hosts of the show spend the block of time talking about how dumb the team is and showing tape of poor offensive structure. I don't know if I've ever seen that before.

 

You always hear people harping on the defense allowing 3s, I can actually live with that. The ISO ball on offense that took over the entire 4th quarter is just utterly unwatchable.

 

I expect the Bucks to win Game 6, then get blown out in 7 or this exact same choke routine again. I'm pretty much done with all WI teams until it's 00:00. I'm not going to be roped into believing in any of these teams again.

[DuWayne Steurer]

The bucks played like garbage for the last 18 minutes of the second half. Kevin Durant, one of the best players of all time, played one of his greatest games of his career. It still came down to the last minute of the game. If that means the series is over, then so be it. I'm willing to bet, that Durant won't play the best game of his life the next two games.

 

Harden is still a wounded duck. The bucks absolutely have to realize that they can't just play ISO ball. If they do they can win. If they get a comfortable lead, and just start chucking contested shots, they will lose. If Kevin Durant plays two of the best games of his life the next two games, the nets will win.

[CheezWizHed]

Giannis isn't overrated, he's just exactly what he is, a dominant post player, but we have him bringing the ball up, randomly shooting 3s and he's taking fadeaway jumpers in crunch time. Did you see Shaq do that? Patrick Ewing?

 

Patrick Ewing was quite adept at fade-away jumpers.

 

But you are massively mis-characterizing Giannis by comparing these three. Did Shaq or Ewing drive to the basket and eurostep around people for dunks? Their games are very, very different. Giannis is probably much closer to Durant or Kevin Garnett.

 

As for his 3pt shooting, I wouldn't mind if he backed off in the playoffs, but that shot is massively improved from 2-3 years ago. If he is to evolve as a player and reach his peak, he needs to keep developing it. If he can get up to 33-35% with that, he reaches another level as a player.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Did Patrick Ewing bring that ball up as a PG half the game and stand around the perimeter chucking 3s? My point wasn't that those guys are the same player, my point was that you don't see those guys doing stupid things outside of their skill set, like Shaq handling the ball at the top of the key. Obviously Giannis has a better handle than Shaq but the Lakers were keenly aware of his limitations. Obviously having Kobe helps a little.

 

It's time to be honest about what Giannis is. What he needs to develop are post moves, not his 3-pt shot. The Bucks are never winning a championship on the strength of Giannis shooting 3s.

 

And yeah, sorry, but, Giannis is much closer to Shaq than Garnett or Durant. He can't hold Durant's jock if we are talking about as an overall player. Durant is a closer you want shooting the ball the entire 4th quarter. With Giannis, he's unstoppable in the right circumstance, but you end up watching the game hoping he doesn't have the ball in his hands at the end, a) so he doesn't take a stupid shot, like that ridiculous fadeaway over Gimp Harden, and b) when he gets fouled you wince and hope for 1 point.

 

I thought this was pretty brutal and on-point this morning: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nets-bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-is-not-that-guy-and-mike-budenholzer-is-not-that-coach/

 

I love Giannis, I think he's a great player. NBA first-team is deserved. But there are things he can't do and we should stop asking him to do those things. The free throws need to improve, but the rest of these things are limitations that need to be schemed around, not just attempted over and over with the same result.

[DuWayne Steurer]

The thing about Giannis Is he just needs to recognize, or Bud needs to recognize the things that he can't, or shouldn't do. I don't mind giannis bringing the ball up in transition or a fast break and driving to the hoop but once we get into half court he should give up the ball instead of dribbling at the top of the key waiting for someone to come open or shooting a long jumper. We keep saying if he just added that to his game he'd be great but he's not doing it and I don't think at this point that's a weapon he's going to add to his arsenal.

 

He's practically unstoppable at the rim and in the paint when he chooses to be but there's just things he wants to be because he was told at one point he's a point center. It's neat seeing a 7-ft dude with decent ball handling skills. But that's all he has is decent ball handling skills. He's not John Stockton, or magic Johnson. The offense should go to him, but not through him.

 

Like, hey if all we got out of the 15th pick in that draft was an absolute superstar dominant post player, who can run a transition fast break, that's not the end of the world. He doesn't have to be the best player in the NBA with an absolute all-around game for us to win a title. He just has to stop trying to do things that he's not capable of doing and making brutal mistakes in crunch time.